Israel Hamas War the Widening Middle East Conflict

[Bkk Brian]

47 minutes ago, bannork said:

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/videos/ckg23qpnnlxo

At least 27 Palestinians have been killed in an Israeli air strike on a school in northern Gaza that was serving as a shelter for displaced families, the Hamas-run health ministry says.

Dozens more were wounded when the Dar al-Arqam school in the north-eastern Tuffah district of Gaza City was hit, it cited a local hospital as saying.

Gaza: Israeli strike on school kills 27, health ministry says - BBC News

How many terrorists were killed in the Hamas command and control center in the UNRWA shelter. Why is Hamas Health Authority not saying and why are they still using schools as cover and the Gazans as human shields?

[Jeff the Chef]

Video emerges of aid workers being fired on in Gaza - contradicting Israeli account of deadly attack
The bodies of 15 aid workers were found in a "mass grave" after the incident.

 

https://news.sky.com/story/video-emerges-of-aid-workers-being-fired-on-in-gaza-contradicting-israeli-account-of-deadly-attack-13342194

 

 

[coolcarer]

So far from trying to hide this incident. It was the IDF who told the UN the location of the bodies and ambulances. It’s high time Hamas stopped its members traveling in medical vehicles. Out of the 15 killed at least 6 were Hamas. Even the extremely bias BBC admits to the Hamas civil defense within those killed.

 

https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-shares-initial-details-from-gaza-ambulance-probe-says-troops-told-un-of-burial-site/

[stevenl]

36 minutes ago, coolcarer said:

So far from trying to hide this incident. It was the IDF who told the UN the location of the bodies and ambulances. It’s high time Hamas stopped its members traveling in medical vehicles. Out of the 15 killed at least 6 were Hamas. Even the extremely bias BBC admits to the Hamas civil defense within those killed.

 

https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-shares-initial-details-from-gaza-ambulance-probe-says-troops-told-un-of-burial-site/

"Out of the 15 killed at least 6 were Hamas"

 

Nonsense, no such thing is mentioned in the article.

"Israel claimed a number of Hamas and Islamic Jihad militants had been killed in the incident, but it has not provided any evidence or further explained the threat to its troops."

 

What will it take for the Israel defenders to admit wrongdoing?

[coolcarer]

16 minutes ago, stevenl said:

"Out of the 15 killed at least 6 were Hamas"

 

Nonsense, no such thing is mentioned in the article.

"Israel claimed a number of Hamas and Islamic Jihad militants had been killed in the incident, but it has not provided any evidence or further explained the threat to its troops."

 

What will it take for the Israel defenders to admit wrongdoing?

Yes it does. Who do you think Gaza civil defense work for? Clue for you, Hamas. Read the links and stop defending Hamas and its wrong doings. Its absolutely possible that the IDF made some serious errors here to.

[Jeff the Chef]

28 minutes ago, coolcarer said:

Yes it does. Who do you think Gaza civil defense work for? Clue for you, Hamas. Read the links and stop defending Hamas and its wrong doings. Its absolutely possible that the IDF made some serious errors here to.

 

So what you are saying is, any Civil Defence worker is Hamas, and a legitimate target for the Israeli Defence Force?

[coolcarer]

10 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

So what you are saying is, any Civil Defence worker is Hamas, and a legitimate target for the Israeli Defence Force?

I am saying what has been reported. Simple and clear. Of course all civil defense are Hamas, are they all a target. That would obviously depend on the situation and what they were doing.

[Jeff the Chef]

15 minutes ago, coolcarer said:

I am saying what has been reported. Simple and clear. Of course all civil defense are Hamas, are they all a target. That would obviously depend on the situation and what they were doing.

 

From the BBC link you posted the only claim that I can find is that, and I quote: 

 

Israel claimed a number of Hamas and Islamic Jihad militants had been killed in the incident, but it has not provided any evidence or further explained the threat to its troops.

Israel's Foreign Minister Gideon Saar earlier this week echoed the army account, saying "the IDF did not randomly attack an ambulance".

The IDF promised to investigate the circumstances after a surviving paramedic questioned its account.

 

[coolcarer]

1 minute ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

From the BBC link you posted the only claim that I can find is that, and I quote: 

 

Israel claimed a number of Hamas and Islamic Jihad militants had been killed in the incident, but it has not provided any evidence or further explained the threat to its troops.

Israel's Foreign Minister Gideon Saar earlier this week echoed the army account, saying "the IDF did not randomly attack an ambulance".

The IDF promised to investigate the circumstances after a surviving paramedic questioned its account.

 

The BBC link quotes 6 civil defense being killed. Read the link read my post. 
 

 

[Nick Carter icp]

3 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

From the BBC link you posted the only claim that I can find is that, and I quote: 

 

Israel claimed a number of Hamas and Islamic Jihad militants had been killed in the incident, but it has not provided any evidence or further explained the threat to its troops.

Israel's Foreign Minister Gideon Saar earlier this week echoed the army account, saying "the IDF did not randomly attack an ambulance".

The IDF promised to investigate the circumstances after a surviving paramedic questioned its account.

 

 

   They didn't have to be a threats to anyone .

They were Hamas members and that is enough for them to be killed .

Hamas are being hunted down and eliminated 

[Jeff the Chef]

23 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   They didn't have to be a threats to anyone .

They were Hamas members and that is enough for them to be killed .

Hamas are being hunted down and eliminated 

 So what you are saying is, if anyone in Gaza is in anyway shape or form is deemed to be working in any official local government capacity they are legitimate targets for the IDF? 

[Nick Carter icp]

1 minute ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 So what you are saying is, if anyone in Gaza is in anyway shape or form is deemed to be working in any official local government capacity they are legitimate targets for the IDF? 

 

  The Hamas Military wing .

One of those killed was Mohammad Amin Ibrahim Shubaki, who is said the be a Hamas member who participated on the Oct 7 th terror attack on Israel .

   He was a legitimate target 

[stevenl]

1 hour ago, coolcarer said:

Yes it does. Who do you think Gaza civil defense work for? Clue for you, Hamas. Read the links and stop defending Hamas and its wrong doings. Its absolutely possible that the IDF made some serious errors here to.

Again the usual nonsense. Criticizing Israel doesn't equate defending hamas.

[coolcarer]

5 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Again the usual nonsense. Criticizing Israel doesn't equate defending hamas.

Try reading my post again and see if you can comprehend it after your baseless accusations that I cannot admit wrong doing.

[Bkk Brian]

Apparently a daily reminder is needed

 

[Jeff the Chef]

 

 

Israel's army has admitted its soldiers made mistakes over the killing of 15 emergency workers in southern Gaza on 23 March.

Israel originally claimed troops opened fire because the convoy approached "suspiciously" in darkness without headlights or flashing lights - but mobile phone footage released on Saturday, filmed by one of the paramedics who was killed, showed the vehicles did have lights on as they answered a call to help wounded people.

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

More of the scum eliminated.

 

IDF kills ‘number’ of Hamas terrorists, destroys command center in ‘new stage’ of fighting in Gaza

Israeli troops ramped up ground operations in Gaza Friday – killing “a number of” Hamas terrorists – in an effort to pressure the group to release the remaining hostages.

In the first few hours of what Israeli officials are calling a “new stage in the operation” — as they look to gain wider control over the region — the military killed Hamas members and destroyed infrastructure that the terror group was using to plan and direct operations, the Israel Defense Forces said. 

https://nypost.com/2025/04/05/world-news/idf-sends-additional-troops-into-gaza-as-part-of-new-stage/

[Bkk Brian]

Another of the so called press meets their fate

 

IDF eliminates Hamas 'journalist' and propaganda operative responsible for producing hostage videos

 

[Nick Carter icp]

Israel says it killed terrorist who oversaw kidnapping of Shiri, Ariel and Kfir Bibas, was likely involved in their murders

 

 

Israel says it has killed the terrorist who oversaw the abduction of Shiri Bibas and her two young sons, and was likely involved in their murders.

Muhammad Hassan Muhammad Awad, a senior member of the Mujahideen Brigades, a relatively small terror group in the Gaza Strip, was killed in an airstrike today, the IDF and Shin Bet announce.

In a joint statement, they say that Awad was among the terrorists who invaded Kibbutz Nir Oz during the Hamas-led October 7 onslaught, and that he led the abduction of Shiri, Ariel and Kfir Bibas.

 

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/israel-says-it-killed-terrorist-who-oversaw-kidnapping-of-shiri-ariel-and-kfir-bibas-was-likely-involved-in-their-murders/

[bannork]

Thousands of Israelis in Tel Aviv on Monday, demanding an agreement with Hamas for the release of the remaining hostages in the Gaza Strip.

The protest also targeted the government of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, while many demonstrators also called for an end to the Gaza war.

The protests also criticized Netanayu's  decision to dismiss Ronen Bars, the head of Shin Bet which is investigating Netanyahu's close associates for possible ties to Qatar, a country considered to be a supporter of  Hamas.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/thousands-of-israelis-protest-against-government-as-war-drags-on/ar-AA1CtuUI?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=EDGEXST&cvid=c906f6dc6

 

[Bkk Brian]

17 hours ago, bannork said:

Thousands of Israelis in Tel Aviv on Monday, demanding an agreement with Hamas for the release of the remaining hostages in the Gaza Strip.

The protest also targeted the government of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, while many demonstrators also called for an end to the Gaza war.

The protests also criticized Netanayu's  decision to dismiss Ronen Bars, the head of Shin Bet which is investigating Netanyahu's close associates for possible ties to Qatar, a country considered to be a supporter of  Hamas.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/thousands-of-israelis-protest-against-government-as-war-drags-on/ar-AA1CtuUI?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=EDGEXST&cvid=c906f6dc6

 

"I am here and I am alive. President Trump, you saved my life. You saved the life of 33 hostages because of your efforts."

 

 

[bannork]

 

More civilian casualties Wednesday April 9, including children in Gaza after an  aerial attack by Israel  

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cy5rrnzw0kwo

[Bkk Brian]

2 hours ago, bannork said:

 

More civilian casualties Wednesday April 9, including children in Gaza after an  aerial attack by Israel  

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cy5rrnzw0kwo

Why does Hamas not release the hostages so all this can end? Instead it uses civilians as human shields while its murderous terrorists hide among them. Then uses their human sacrifices as pure propaganda for their continued war against Israel. The death and destruction is all down to Hamas.

[Jeff the Chef]

19 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Why does Hamas not release the hostages so all this can end? Instead it uses civilians as human shields while its murderous terrorists hide among them. Then uses their human sacrifices as pure propaganda for their continued war against Israel. The death and destruction is all down to Hamas.

 

Could not agree more, Hamas must release all the hostages, dead or alive, and bring this all to a halt.

The problem then is what happens next?

[Bkk Brian]

4 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

Could not agree more, Hamas must release all the hostages, dead or alive, and bring this all to a halt.

The problem then is what happens next?

The killing, human sacrifices and destruction stops. Its in my post  If you want to ask what happens after that then I do not hold a crystal ball. Step by step

 

 

[Jeff the Chef]

2 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

The killing, human sacrifices and destruction stops. Its in my post  If you want to ask what happens after that then I do not hold a crystal ball. Step by step

 

 

 

The question wasn't particularly aimed at you, it was an open question, observation that I feel needs to be established so both sides know what they are signing up for.

[Bkk Brian]

26 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

The question wasn't particularly aimed at you, it was an open question, observation that I feel needs to be established so both sides know what they are signing up for.

Then perhaps go to one of the topics already running on it. My post was not about that, it was about the terrorists releasing the hostages and stopping the human sacrifices and destruction. ie the war!

[Evil Penevil]

1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said:

Why does Hamas not release the hostages so all this can end? Instead it uses civilians as human shields while its murderous terrorists hide among them. Then uses their human sacrifices as pure propaganda for their continued war against Israel. The death and destruction is all down to Hamas.

 

It's very hard to give a rational answer as to why Hamas doesn't release the hostages. Short answer: it doesn't make sense.  

Hamas took 251 hostages from Israel into Gaza. Where are they?

A total of 251 people were taken in the attack on Israel on Oct. 7, 2023. We’re tracking what happened to each of them.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/interactive/hamas-hostages-israel-war-gaza/

 

Hostage Forum publishes health report for 24 living hostages, warns ‘time is running out’

Based on testimonies from freed hostages and propaganda videos, medical report details dire conditions of captivity including isolation, severe malnutrition and untreated injuries

https://www.timesofisrael.com/hostage-forum-publishes-health-report-for-24-living-hostages-warns-time-is-running-out/

 

The health report describes how hostages are undergoing “physical and mental torture."

[bannork]

Nearly 1,000 current and former members of the Israeli Air Force have signed a letter condemning the renewed military campaign in Gaza. The signatories accused Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's government of continuing the war to serve "political and personal interests," rather than Israel's security.

They urged leaders to prioritize a deal to free all hostages held in Gaza, even if it means ending the war against Hamas.

Meanwhile Israeli media report reservists are becoming increasingly resistant to return to duty, feeling troubled  about the army's direction and worries of a possible reoccupation of Gaza.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/israeli-air-force-veterans-criticize-gaza-war-resumption/ar-AA1CFr7n?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=EDGEXST&cvid=dba505c777e74b7b97a8c3ffd5e0d2ca&ei=26

[Bkk Brian]

3 minutes ago, bannork said:

Nearly 1,000 current and former members of the Israeli Air Force have signed a letter condemning the renewed military campaign in Gaza. The signatories accused Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's government of continuing the war to serve "political and personal interests," rather than Israel's security.

They urged leaders to prioritize a deal to free all hostages held in Gaza, even if it means ending the war against Hamas.

Meanwhile Israeli media report reservists are becoming increasingly resistant to return to duty, feeling troubled  about the army's direction and worries of a possible reoccupation of Gaza.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/israeli-air-force-veterans-criticize-gaza-war-resumption/ar-AA1CFr7n?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=EDGEXST&cvid=dba505c777e74b7b97a8c3ffd5e0d2ca&ei=26

"but most of the 1,000 signatories are veterans, no longer serving"

 

"A group of close to 1,000 veterans of the Israeli Air Force, the vast majority of them in retirement"

 

https://www.timesofisrael.com/iaf-to-dismiss-reservists-who-signed-letter-demanding-prioritization-of-hostages-over-war/