1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The Government haven’t granted themselves new powers.

 

The Act of Parliament hasn’t been passed.

 

Your attempts to diminish the scale of the riots and the threat they are to communities across the UK are noted.

You mean, the involvement of foreign looking folk with hoodies, masks, shouting "Allah Akbar"........Well spotted..........CHiggy...........

3 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The Government haven’t granted themselves new powers.

 

The Act of Parliament hasn’t been passed.

 

Your attempts to diminish the scale of the riots and the threat they are to communities across the UK are noted.

 

I've always seen the riots in the context of what started them, and what has happened before (BLM riots).  3 little girls being murdered and several others stabbed in a Taylor Swift dance class.  Compared to that horror (which has all been forgotten about) and the sheer scale of the rioting with BLM then it doesn't quite compare really does it?  

21 hours ago, James105 said:

 

The example I used was the 2 gay fellas on their way back from a bingo hall.  They shouted at the police, which I could be wrong but don't think this is a crime.  They would also have a good case for police brutality as the dog handler set his dog on one of the first guy when it appeared he was complying with the police request to move back and he had his back turned when the handler moved his dog  to allow it to attack him.

Please watch the judge summing up - it is quite clear about what they did and why they are guilty of violent affray and the fact that judges should and must give deterrent and punitive sentences. Riots must be stopped in their tracks.Period from wherever they come the peace of realm demands it.

 

 

38 minutes ago, transam said:

You mean, the involvement of foreign looking folk with hoodies, masks, shouting "Allah Akbar"........Well spotted..........CHiggy...........

Even for you that’s a bizarre take on my post.

 

 

39 minutes ago, James105 said:

 

I've always seen the riots in the context of what started them, and what has happened before (BLM riots).  3 little girls being murdered and several others stabbed in a Taylor Swift dance class.  Compared to that horror (which has all been forgotten about) and the sheer scale of the rioting with BLM then it doesn't quite compare really does it?  

Yes we know.

 

It’s called obfuscation.

 

 

19 hours ago, proton said:

Blaming one man for the problem is nonsensical, the problem is mass immigration and 4k illegals alone since Starmer got in. He has done nothing about that apart from steal money off pensioners to help pay for them. Tommy is not the problem, Starmer is. Another million immigrants a year is just unsustainable.

"Blaming one man for the problem is nonsensical". You then go on to blame one man, one man who has been in power for four weeks.

Your post is a joke, as is Yaxley-Lennon, a very rich joke thanks to people like you.

2 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

Please watch the judge summing up - it is quite clear about what they did and why they are guilty of violent affray and the fact that judges should and must give deterrent and punitive sentences. Riots must be stopped in their tracks.Period from wherever they come the peace of realm demands it.

 

 

I posted the actual court ruling, but it doesn’t cut through the grievance stroking.

 

And don’t waste time asking for links to the source of claims that have been demonstrated to be false.

 

 

 

 

 

38 minutes ago, James105 said:

 

I've always seen the riots in the context of what started them, and what has happened before (BLM riots).  3 little girls being murdered and several others stabbed in a Taylor Swift dance class.  Compared to that horror (which has all been forgotten about) and the sheer scale of the rioting with BLM then it doesn't quite compare really does it?  

These are 2 completely seperate acts justice for these poor girls killled, less we forget by a 17 year old Welsh citizen who happens to be black is ongoing and burning down towns, attacking msques, looting, provoking violent disorder have absolutely nothing to do with that case. That is just plain opportinistic thuggery and thankfully is facing the full force. of thr law. Watch Wesley Winter a British Chinese you tuber that has reported I think almost supportivley about the Tommy marches in London and the folks who go on them. He went to Middlesborough and saw first hand and recorded terrible acts of vandalism, violence and destruction of ordinary people's homes and businesses by masked up hoodlums intent on destruction. It shook him and his frightened girlfriend to the core.

3 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:

"Blaming one man for the problem is nonsensical". You then go on to blame one man, one man who has been in power for four weeks.

Your post is a joke, as is Yaxley-Lennon, a very rich joke thanks to people like you.

Starmer & Co are busy planning robbing the poor at the mo, all planned but kept very quiet ......😬

But, he knows, Enoch was right, and he is in deep doo-doo as they do not know what to do...........🤔

 

All their and CHiggy's fault.......😬

3 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I posted the actual court ruling, but it doesn’t cut through the grievance stroking.

 

And don’t waste time asking for links to the source of claims that have been demonstrated to be false.

 

 

 

 

 

Losers blame everything and  everyone for their fates. Thailand seems to attract more than their fare share who delight in the Britain has fallen trope. It hasn't and probably never will. Now having quelled the riots, it seems sucessfully is the time to go after the heads of the snake and that includes at the very head Elon Musk who has created a real sewer of misinformation and Tommy Robinson and his cohorts.

Also what these far right types have done and if not hammered could be source of mass terrorism in this country. All Iran or other malevolent players have to do is send sleeper operatives over on the boats. Establish sleeper cells in the UK and at some point if war breaks out send truck bomb or a suicide bomber say into a nursety causing mass carnage. The furore and carnage that the save the kids groups could spark up doesn't bear thinking about and must keep the anti-terrorist police up at night. They may well get their race war and breakdown of law and order whcih they love to predict. And who would win - the foreign power for the price of a few thousand dollars. The ultimate dirty bomb. By hammering the rioters we take that option off the table.

Just now, beautifulthailand99 said:

Also what these far right types have done and if not hammered could be source of mass terrorism in this country. All Iran or other malevolent players have to do is send sleeper operatives over on the boats. Establish sleeper cells in the UK and at some point if war breaks out send truck bomb or a suicide bomber say into a nursety causing mass carnage. The furore and carnage that the save the kids groups could spark up doesn't bear thinking about and must keep the anti-terrorist police up at night. They may well get their race war and breakdown of law and order whcih they love to predict. And who would win - the foreign power for the price of a few thousand dollars. The ultimate dirty bomb. By hammering the rioters we take that option off the table.

 

   Join the protestors and stop the people coming over on Dinghies from France, they could be Iranian terrorists .

1 minute ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Join the protestors and stop the people coming over on Dinghies from France, they could be Iranian terrorists .

No thanks - these protestors are causing mayhem at the moment. Brexit and the Tories gutting our polical system has in large contributed to this situation. The incoming Labour goverment is trying to sort this out as the adults in the room through international co-operation.Tommy Robinson and his ilk are the answer to nothing except stoking further discontent.

6 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

. The incoming Labour goverment is trying to sort this out as the adults in the room through international co-operation.

 

   What are those new measures that Labour are doing to stop the dinghies ?

49 minutes ago, transam said:

Starmer & Co are busy planning robbing the poor at the mo, all planned but kept very quiet ......😬

 

You obviously have link for that right? Where is this secret plan that you know about? Link please, or admit you just made it up.

38 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Join the protestors and stop the people coming over on Dinghies from France, they could be Iranian terrorists

I don't agree with the first part of your sentence, though the second part is valid.

 

We are not talking about protesters, we are talking about violent thugs, setting fire to hotels with people inside them and looting the businesses of hard-working British citizens.

 

The second part is a fair concern. Brexit has made this immeasurably more difficult, considering the UK no longer has access to Eurodac.

 

There are laws in place - from both previous Labour and Conservative governments - that allow for prosecution of immigrants who travel to the UK without valid paperwork. If identity cannot be proven at a later date, then the asylum application is failed.

 

However, there have been relatively few prosecutions under the 2004 and 2022 laws, I don't know why.

 

Perhaps the politicians are happy to have a group to take the blame for all their failings, and to deflect from things like the generous pay increases they consistently give themselves, the vasts amount of money given to the businesses of their friends etc., whilst everyone else appears to suffer from low wage growth etc.

 

 

55 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

Losers blame everything and  everyone for their fates. Thailand seems to attract more than their fare share who delight in the Britain has fallen trope. It hasn't and probably never will. Now having quelled the riots, it seems sucessfully is the time to go after the heads of the snake and that includes at the very head Elon Musk who has created a real sewer of misinformation and Tommy Robinson and his cohorts.

 

You can take away Tommy Robinson and you can take away Elon Musk but it would be delusional to think that would solve anything as they are just the symptoms.  They are not the problem.   The problem is that over 1 million people arrive in the UK per year and it is impossible to integrate this number of people into the UK.  Some of those arrivals do not even want to integrate into the UK, and hate the west, but just want to indulge in its generosity.   These people live in silos.

 

All of this would be easier for the existing citizens of the UK to cope with if the arrivals (and children of the arrivals - 2nd generation immigrants) did not commit crimes, rape children or commit acts of terrorism, but instead lived peaceably alongside the people of Britain.   Does removing Tommy Robinson stop this from happening? No.  All that happens is that someone else (another pantomime villain) stands up to highlight the problem as it hasn't gone anywhere.  

7 minutes ago, Pickwick said:

There are laws in place - from both previous Labour and Conservative governments - that allow for prosecution of immigrants who travel to the UK without valid paperwork. If identity cannot be proven at a later date, then the asylum application is failed.

 

If someone fails asylum and you cannot prove their identity how do you deport them and where do you send them to?  

The fact that Orwell’s 1984 is set in the UK is just poetic...

3 minutes ago, James105 said:

 

If someone fails asylum and you cannot prove their identity how do you deport them and where do you send them to?  

 

That's an excellent question.

 

It is very difficult to find solid information on this, partly because the government (or the state, we are not really talking about political parties here) does not want to advertise its methods, which I can understand to a point but it is frustrating.

 

I see the oft repeated phrase warning migrants that if their identity cannot be proven by the usual means then 'less reliable forms of identification will be used'. I have no idea what this constitutes. I know that the UK has readmission agreements with individual countries -  such as Pakistan, Iran etc. These agreements are put in place to help establish the identity of an individual without paperwork.

 

Currently, there are just over 5000 'stateless persons' in the UK. That's a total figure, not an annual one, so it relates to a very small percentage of immigrants. I would expect facing indefinite detention for the rest of your life is not a primary goal for many.

29 minutes ago, James105 said:

All of this would be easier for the existing citizens of the UK to cope with if the arrivals (and children of the arrivals - 2nd generation immigrants) did not commit crimes, rape children or commit acts of terrorism, but instead lived peaceably alongside the people of Britain.   

What, you mean like 99.9% of them do?

Homophobic post and replies removed. Please don't do that again.

These privileged white people need to be crushed!

2 hours ago, josephbloggs said:

Your post is a joke, as is Yaxley-Lennon, a very rich joke thanks to people like you.

 

Don't forget to also include the people who buy cocaine from him - they are also making him rich. 

1 hour ago, josephbloggs said:

You obviously have link for that right? Where is this secret plan that you know about? Link please, or admit you just made it up.

Good afternoon Joseph, "Obviously", are guessing yet again, how tiresome....

Seems you have missed, a few weeks in the job and then the chop, and Joseph thinks there was no plan....🤣

Back to your Beano, ol' chap.....🤭

52 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:

What, you mean like 99.9% of them do?

 

If accurate, thats a 1000 extra criminals imported a year.   Considering also that if the arrivals are not each earning circa £40K per year then they are a net drain on the economy, and I don't even think that includes the cost of the extra infrastructure needed (schools, hospitals, gp surgerys, roads, transport links) to support these extra people and, regardless of cost, it is not even possible to build it quickly enough so these people are lessoning the quality of life for those already living in the UK - including the existing immigrants.  

 

The only "benefit" is that it has a minor increase on the GDP of the country, but this comes with a negative impact on GDP per capita - the one that is important to the individual.     

 

Of course none of this is allowed to be considered now as the narrative has been accepted by the dimwits that the discontent was "far right thuggery" and no-one had a legitimate concern, so the problem will be once again kicked down the road until the next preventable horror occurs and we go through it all over again.   

3 hours ago, RuamRudy said:

 

Don't forget to also include the people who buy cocaine from him - they are also making him rich. 

 

   You are making an allegation that he sells cocaine .

Do you have any evidence of that ?

Thats a serious allegation 

6 hours ago, James105 said:

 

If accurate, thats a 1000 extra criminals imported a year.   Considering also that if the arrivals are not each earning circa £40K per year then they are a net drain on the economy, and I don't even think that includes the cost of the extra infrastructure needed (schools, hospitals, gp surgerys, roads, transport links) to support these extra people and, regardless of cost, it is not even possible to build it quickly enough so these people are lessoning the quality of life for those already living in the UK - including the existing immigrants.  

 

The only "benefit" is that it has a minor increase on the GDP of the country, but this comes with a negative impact on GDP per capita - the one that is important to the individual.     

 

Of course none of this is allowed to be considered now as the narrative has been accepted by the dimwits that the discontent was "far right thuggery" and no-one had a legitimate concern, so the problem will be once again kicked down the road until the next preventable horror occurs and we go through it all over again.   

Yes, but they make the rich richer and hold wages down. 

6 hours ago, James105 said:

 

If accurate, thats a 1000 extra criminals imported a year.   Considering also that if the arrivals are not each earning circa £40K per year then they are a net drain on the economy, and I don't even think that includes the cost of the extra infrastructure needed (schools, hospitals, gp surgerys, roads, transport links) to support these extra people and, regardless of cost, it is not even possible to build it quickly enough so these people are lessoning the quality of life for those already living in the UK - including the existing immigrants.  

 

The only "benefit" is that it has a minor increase on the GDP of the country, but this comes with a negative impact on GDP per capita - the one that is important to the individual.     

 

Of course none of this is allowed to be considered now as the narrative has been accepted by the dimwits that the discontent was "far right thuggery" and no-one had a legitimate concern, so the problem will be once again kicked down the road until the next preventable horror occurs and we go through it all over again.   

How many legal migrants are there (that you no doubt approve of), and how many British people selfishly die each year? How many selfishly die without having children? And how many Brits are born?

I am sure you have this info as you as so concerned with the population of the UK.
 

15 hours ago, James105 said:

 

If accurate, thats a 1000 extra criminals imported a year.   Considering also that if the arrivals are not each earning circa £40K per year then they are a net drain on the economy, and I don't even think that includes the cost of the extra infrastructure needed (schools, hospitals, gp surgerys, roads, transport links) to support these extra people and, regardless of cost, it is not even possible to build it quickly enough so these people are lessoning the quality of life for those already living in the UK - including the existing immigrants.  

 

The only "benefit" is that it has a minor increase on the GDP of the country, but this comes with a negative impact on GDP per capita - the one that is important to the individual.     

 

Of course none of this is allowed to be considered now as the narrative has been accepted by the dimwits that the discontent was "far right thuggery" and no-one had a legitimate concern, so the problem will be once again kicked down the road until the next preventable horror occurs and we go through it all over again.   

The riots are far right thuggery.