Going short-time only, shallow or succulent?

[Lacessit]

9 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Social workers aren't invested interests. And if they all say the same thing? I've found many more that go along with the others. Are they all liars, getting paid, wrong, feminists? I'm not arrogant defending my side. Your calling Americans retards is what? What you don't seem to realize is that prostitution, sex workers, or whatever you want to call it, is not a good trade. It's dangerous, has severe psychological impacts on all those involved, people are abused a lot more then you know and some are killed. Human trafficking isn't near a joke. You yourself stated there wasn't anymore violence in it than regular relationships.This is from another link.......

It is a job like any other.”

Do you know any other job where people face a mortality rate 10 to 40 times above the average? Where 60 to 80% of “workers” experience regular physical and sexual abuse? If this is a job like any other, how come so few women from Western Europe take the opportunity?

IIRC deep sea divers have an extremely dangerous job. So do oil rig workers. Underground coal miners.

 

Economics 101. More well-paid employment opportunities in the West than in Thailand.

 

Anyone sticking to an antiquated system of measurement, or anything else, when there are better and more logical systems available, is a retard. Do you go to an African witch doctor, or a cardiologist, when you have heart trouble?

 

I can accept there is more physical violence in the sex trade. What gets discounted in the domestic/marriage side of relationships is emotional violence, which TBL, BMT, myself and if IRC you have all gone through for years if not decades. That does not happen with short term sex, it takes time to build.

 

I have always treated the women I have had sex with, with respect and consideration. Why wouldn't I, if they are giving me what I want? And as other posters have said, it's far less expensive than a woman who can take you for half your assets after one or two years of cohabitation, when they have not even lived up to their side of the transaction.

 

 

 

 

[Lacessit]

1 hour ago, fredwiggy said:

But they do end, as you can see. Sometimes it takes more than a few words to get your point across, as to not leave out important facts. Kinda like all professional writers do.

I like to think my posts do not exceed the attention span of most readers.

 

Evidently, that is not a concern of yours.

[fredwiggy]

Just now, RSD1 said:

That's a separate issue. Asking everyone to make human trafficking their own crusade, like you claim that you are doing, is ridiculous. And I would say that there isn't any merit in what you're trying to do here on this forum either. If you want to make a difference and help some troubled people then go out and do it. But don't chastise the people here who aren't part of the problem. You're wasting everyone's time and for the last few days, you have been deeply embarrassing yourself. 

I'm not embarrassing myself standing up for protecting women and children, which is what I've been doing all along.The trade hurts all of them, in more ways than you know. Just because you don't understand this, doesn't make it wrong. You don't seem to realize that participating in this trade keeps it alive, and lets the traffickers ever closer to more of their spread. Of course many won't do anything about it, because they benefit from it. The same with anything else where a profit is made, from cereal with added sugar, to oil sales to getting votes for politicians, to this. Being blind to what goes on here is how it continues. I'm not going to stop this trade, but it will stop, as has been shown in other countries, if enough people get involved.  Las Vegas is one of the very few places in the US where it's legal, and abuse and trafficking increased there. You might want to stand back and think about what you're saying, and try to understand what it is I am, because immorality is a huge reason so many things are wrong worldwide. I'm sure you know this.

[fredwiggy]

2 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

I like to think my posts do not exceed the attention span of most readers.

 

Evidently, that is not a concern of yours.

I could send a bunch of one liners like some do, but I'm not lazy and prefer to use paragraphs that have all the information I'm trying to get across. Remember, you don't have to read them.

[freedomnow]

What a waste of time this thread is - as if the 'For' contingent are going to change the minds of the 'Against' contingent and vice versa.

 

Enjoy the book writing input you all.

[CG1 Blue]

9 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

I've met thousands, and talked to many, but why would I want to meet those involved in this trade?

So you've never met any sex workers, yet you're a world leading expert on them? Give it a rest 🤦‍♂️

[scubascuba3]

29 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

I could send a bunch of one liners like some do, but I'm not lazy and prefer to use paragraphs that have all the information I'm trying to get across. Remember, you don't have to read them.

As I've told you before as others have, too much waffle in your posts, and no i don't bother reading most of them, quick scan then give up usually

[jerrymahoney]

36 minutes ago, scubascuba3 said:

As I've told you before as others have, too much waffle in your posts, and no i don't bother reading most of them, quick scan then give up usually

Not much Scuba and I agree on but I'll go for that.

[Jeff the Chef]

The oldest profession.

Some are good, some are bad.

Always on the look-out for a good one.

As much as I lust after all types, Asian, Caucasian or Black, in my experience the Caucasian variety are more into pleasing a client than fleecing them, because some enjoy the work and expect to make a decent living wherever they are working from. I do know a few who are good business woman who have invested well and are set up for life.

Asian's are mostly in the profession as a last resort to make money, they don't really want to be in it but are happy to do it as a duty for there families.

My only experience of Black ladies was in Europe and they were 2nd or 3rd generation, not a boat floater for me.

Drink, drugs and gambling are a problem for a lot in this occupation, wherever they are from.

To stay on topic, give me a ST and I'll know within 10 minutes if she will make the grade of a return visit, after all any business loves repeat customers. 

[Lacessit]

39 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Again you're calling Americans retards, when many Australians live there. Is this point getting across to you? Do you  not realize there are thousands of doctors and surgeons in the US that use the standard measuring system? Are they retards? What's logical to you is foreign to some. If you learned standard, metric is foreign. If the world goes metric, we all change. Isn't happening yet.Metric is a better system, but Americans are so used to standard it will take time to change.  I don't have heart trouble, but if I did, I would go to a Cardiologist. I was already married to a witch.I'm sure you don't understand that there are probably quite a few  Americans smarter than you so what would that make you? I wouldn't call you a retard but someone that's just not as smart as I. 

 

Yes, deep divers do have a dangerous job, as does open seas crabbers, but they're against nature and machinery. In this case, it's human against human, and it shouldn't happen in any relationship, but it does with a higher percentage in this trade.

 

I know the pitfalls very well of a divorce. Thankfully I bought my house in Texas a week before we got married so I got it in the divorce, along with, eventually, the kids. Here the best I can hope for is half the house if I sell it before my daughter and I leave,or at least something because I paid 100% for it. If you can't find a regular woman to date and have casual sex with, I guess you'll have to pay. In all marriages and  relationships you are taking a chance. Sometimes you win, and most times you lose. A woman can't take anything from you if you already own it. All you will lose from a bad one is the hell she gave.

Australia used to use pounds, shillings and pence as its currency system. We had pints and gallons. We moved on.

 

Australia banned the ownership of semi-automatic weapons after Port Arthur, in 1996. We have not had a mass shooting since. We moved on.

 

South Australia and Western Australia still criminalize prostitution. One only has to look in the escort sections of the phone books of both states to realize it's a farce. The rest of Australia is sensible.

 

Your health system is a sick joke. Any political party in Australia which tried to do what you meekly accept, would get annihilated at the ballot box.

 

I have visited America many times. The USA does some amazing things. Having said that, there are some aspects where the US is way behind the times. In other words, retarded.

 

You don't seem to understand it doesn't matter if you shag a woman for one night, or stay married to her for decades. It's still transactional, whichever way you choose.

 

Quite a few women in Australia have wanted a relationship with me. After experiencing Thailand, I didn't want them. Saying I paid for it, because I couldn't get a woman otherwise, won't fly.

 

I would say most of the paid sex I have had in Thailand has been far better than anything I have had in Australia, and without doubt far less expensive.

 

 

[Lacessit]

3 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

To stay on topic, give me a ST and I'll know within 10 minutes if she will make the grade of a return visit, after all any business loves repeat customers. 

The best are either very good actresses, or are actually enthusiastic about getting laid.

 

IME the really beautiful ones are more likely to be the actresses, whereas a plainer girl can be a real surprise packet in terms of enthusiasm.

 

 

[scubascuba3]

1 hour ago, jerrymahoney said:

Not much Scuba and I agree on but I'll go for that.

If you agreed with me more often you'd be right more often

[jerrymahoney]

14 minutes ago, scubascuba3 said:

If you agreed with me more often you'd be right more often

I was traveling for work in PRChina and SE Asia when you were still in grade school or whatever they call it there. I'll stick with what's right for me often enough just the same.

[fredwiggy]

17 minutes ago, scubascuba3 said:

If you agreed with me more often you'd be right more often

I prefer to stick with logic and facts. I don't make things up but go by proven studies.

[maesariang]

2 hours ago, freedomnow said:

What a waste of time this thread is - as if the 'For' contingent are going to change the minds of the 'Against' contingent and vice versa.

 

Enjoy the book writing input you all.

Every topic is the same. Nobody admits being wrong.

[Lacessit]

3 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

I prefer to stick with logic and facts. I don't make things up but go by proven studies.

Er - I seem to remember you saying billions of people used the imperial system of measurement.

[ElwoodP]

Let me be quite clear here .........

Any discussion of other posters will be removed.

Any links to websites not discussing the thread topic in Asia will be removed.

 

Clearly many posts are being made in order to create strife between forum members, that is trolling, these sort of posts will get you banned.

 

Cease and desist please, I don't like removing posting privileges.

[fredwiggy]

25 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Er - I seem to remember you saying billions of people used the imperial system of measurement.

Ok so its 400 million. I'm off a little. Just saying it's quite a lot. i did agree that metric is better, and always felt it was.

[spidermike007]

Short time is absolutely brilliant, and Thailand is one of the top places in the world for it. If a man is single, or if a man is married it doesn't matter. It is up to him, only he can make that decision, and if he does decide to do short time, as long as he's discreet and as long as he's careful not to cause his woman any embarrassment or humiliation, everybody wins.

 

Of course if you're going to apply a religious overtone, or get up on a self righteous high horse, then one is bound to come to a different conclusion. Several of my friends who absolutely refuse to pay for sex, have been celibate for years and it's not of their own choosing. 

[Lacessit]

1 minute ago, spidermike007 said:

Short time is absolutely brilliant, and Thailand is one of the top places in the world for it. If a man is single, or if a man is married it doesn't matter. It is up to him, only he can make that decision, and if he does decide to do short time, as long as he's discreet and as long as he's careful not to cause his woman any embarrassment or humiliation, everybody wins.

 

Of course if you're going to apply a religious overtone, or get up on a self righteous high horse, then one is bound to come to a different conclusion. Several of my friends who absolutely refuse to pay for sex, have been celibate for years and it's not of their own choosing. 

We all have our lines in the sand.

 

Mine is not having anything to do with the younger ones, as I regard them as airheads. An older experienced woman who enjoys sex is a much better proposition.

[Cameroni]

A man paying for sex, short time or long time is the very definition of sad.

 

Why? Because he pays money to women for sex. That is indeed a problem, for men. It enables the female for money economy, the sadest and from the men's perspective, worst economy there is. It spills over into paying serial daters on websites for the mere privilege of attention, dating etc.

 

The ideal state would be if men never paid a woman for sex. They would then give up lying to men, engaging in serial dating and basically fleecing men for money.

 

However, too many men are desperate and willing to pay for sex, they ruin it for all men. It's sad. For men.

[BritManToo]

6 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

A man paying for sex, short time or long time is the very definition of sad.

Can't think of one time I paid for sex and was sad. If it makes YOU sad spend your money on something else.

[save the frogs]

2 hours ago, Lacessit said:

You don't seem to understand it doesn't matter if you shag a woman for one night, or stay married to her for decades. It's still transactional, whichever way you choose.

Not exactly, because it depends on the 2 people involved.

Not all human beings are created equal.

Some people are gifted athletically and others not so much. 

Some people have a much higher capacity to love on a deeper level, to bond more deeply with another person.

If you don't, and if being with the same woman 20 years is the same as short-term for you .... and it is for many people, then you probably shouldn't bother getting married.

Because for these types of people, you're basically paying too much for transactional sex with too many possible downsides. 

I like the depth of emotion of relationships. Short term is a different experience, but not the same at all and cannot replace relationships for me. 

 

Some people actually .... (gasp) ... "make love" ... and you can't "make love" to a hooker.

 

Figure out what type of person you are. And then stick with short-term if that's more advantageous and you get nothing out of relationships besides sex. 

 

[Cameroni]

24 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

Can't think of one time I paid for sex and was sad. 

I don't believe you.

 

I would also clarify, I'm not personally made sad by men paying for sex. But in the bigger picture is it sad? Well of course, because it enables this principle that women can extract money from men.  In a better world, this would not be possible, and women would only hook up with whom they find attractive. However, with women knowing that they can extract money from men, for sex, or even the mere privilege of texting them, showing them videos, etc, this reduces men to a resource for women, to be lied to by women and exploited financially.

 

Men, out of pride, and for the well being of other men, should not pay women for sex, or other services that are normally provided in a relationship. But of course this will remain a dream, so long as desperate men will pay women for such things. In the big picture, yes it's sad.

[BritManToo]

24 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

In a better world, this would not be possible, and women would only hook up with whom they find attractive.

Yeah, but I'm not attractive (along with 80% of the male world population), so that would mean no sex for me.

 

To be fair I wouldn't want sex with at least 80% of the women in the world either.

[save the frogs]

26 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

men, should not pay women for sex, or other services that are normally provided in a relationship

no, your argument is not valid because there is much more potential for ABUSE of exchange of money in relationships.

a woman can stay married to a man she doesnt love for 20 years just for money. thats much more sad than paying a girl for an hour. 

 

[Korat Kiwi]

In the end if your married or not,  you will still end up paying for sex. 

 

If there is a divorce involved then it will  cost you a lot more than any ST or LT worker.  If fact if you could do the math, it would probably still work out cheaper on average per 'bonk'. 

 

I have an old friend who found Thailand well before me.  He vowed never to marry, said it was far more economical to pay as you go. 

 

You want a new model? Easy to do and you won't lose your house over it.  His outlook suited him and had some merit. 

 

I've been married twice, never again. 

[Gobbler]

ST or LT? It is so defining. 

 

ST used to mean two hours.  Today it means one hour. 

LT insinuates a sleepover. 

 

I created my two-letter acronym. 

 

MT or Medium Time

 

No sleepover and 3 to 4 hours. 

[Cameroni]

32 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

Yeah, but I'm not attractive (along with 80% of the male world population), so that would mean no sex for me.

 

To be fair I wouldn't want sex with at least 80% of the women in the world either.

 

But so many women go with men who are not attractive, physical beauty figures quite low on a woman's list, men's other qualities count more, it's not the same for us, as for women, is it? A woman can find a man attractive who has status, who is funny etc...

 

80 per cent seems about right.

[Lacessit]

52 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

Not exactly, because it depends on the 2 people involved.

Not all human beings are created equal.

Some people are gifted athletically and others not so much. 

Some people have a much higher capacity to love on a deeper level, to bond more deeply with another person.

If you don't, and if being with the same woman 20 years is the same as short-term for you .... and it is for many people, then you probably shouldn't bother getting married.

Because for these types of people, you're basically paying too much for transactional sex with too many possible downsides. 

I like the depth of emotion of relationships. Short term is a different experience, but not the same at all and cannot replace relationships for me. 

 

Some people actually .... (gasp) ... "make love" ... and you can't "make love" to a hooker.

 

Figure out what type of person you are. And then stick with short-term if that's more advantageous and you get nothing out of relationships besides sex. 

 

I am agnostic when it comes to the concept of love. Certainly there is a lot of affection between myself and my GF. I do get a lot more out of the relationship than just sex.

 

To me, love would be when one could not stand to be apart from their other half for more than a couple of minutes. I like my own time, as well as being with her.

 

Having sex and making love are the same, pleasant friction for both, and if the timing is right, an orgasm for both, consecutively or concurrently.

 

IMO we are fed love as a belief system, just like we are fed religion. YMMV.