On 9/7/2024 at 10:58 AM, Dogmatix said:

 

 

Israel is now displaying its own genocidal tendencies following Hamas's deplorable war crimes on Oct 7.  
 

 

   Israel are not doing that though .

That is just Hamas's propaganda .

Israel have just sent polio vaccines into Gaza to vaccinate all Gazan Children against polio . 

   That's hardly genocide now is it 

 

On 9/7/2024 at 7:40 AM, watchdog2 said:

the so called "holocaust"

 

 

Nothing so called about it 

 

 

On 9/7/2024 at 7:40 AM, watchdog2 said:

 

 

is the shield behind which the Jews can continue their genocide against Palestinians,

 

    

 

Its Israel , NOT Jews and there is no genocide against Palestinians 

 

 

On 9/7/2024 at 7:40 AM, watchdog2 said:

 

 

 

 

while defending the world's only racist, colonialist, and apartheid state. 

    

 

    Isreal isn't a racist , colonist or apartheid state 

 

 

 

On 9/7/2024 at 7:40 AM, watchdog2 said:

 talking about "holocaust" history in anything but the most reverential terms is clearly not acceptable to most, even to those who claim to support the right of free speech.....

 

   Speaking untrue things about the holocaust is the thing that some people reply to 

They killed 20m people

 

https://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/NAZIS.CHAP1.HTM

11 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Israel are not doing that though .

That is just Hamas's propaganda .

Israel have just sent polio vaccines into Gaza to vaccinate all Gazan Children against polio . 

   That's hardly genocide now is it 

 

You must be paid by Israel government, or Blind.

5 minutes ago, Hummin said:

You must be paid by Israel government, or Blind.

 

   Neither .

The death rate itself shows it isn't a genocide , even the ICJ said it isn't . 

   Its just the Anti Israelis   who say it is , but they have no idea what they are talking about 

On 9/7/2024 at 7:40 AM, watchdog2 said:

the so called "holocaust" is the shield behind which the Jews can continue their genocide against Palestinians, while defending the world's only racist, colonialist, and apartheid state.   talking about "holocaust" history in anything but the most reverential terms is clearly not acceptable to most, even to those who claim to support the right of free speech.....

I will start by saying that I am a Jew, and I am very opposed to a great deal of Israeli policy, including the rather extremist manner in which they've dealt with this recent Gaza War.

 

Having said that, I think you're being a bit ridiculous by calling the Holocaust anything but what it is. If it's a "so-called Holocaust" what would you call it, and how would you describe it?

 

Did the Nazis accidentally kill 6 million Jews and Gypsies, or did they as Cooper said, let them die only because they couldn't deal with them? You need to explain yourself, if you want to post such lies, or you just simply need to stop posting. Do you also believe the earth is flat, and the moon landing was faked? Who are you anyway? 

23 hours ago, impulse said:

It's a rainy afternoon here, so I watched the interview.  All 2 hours and 15 minutes of it.  It could be condensed.  A lot.  But then there would be accusations of editing and fakery. 

 

Just a few minutes on WW2 at all, and no Holocaust denial.  Just the same mention as in the OP that Hitler went East with no provisions to care for the millions of POWs, political prisoners and natives they'd be imprisoning.  It wasn't just Jews.  It was anyone that stood in the way.  His mention of WW2 was mostly a teaser for a series that he's working on, to release as a Podcast in about 6 months.

 

It was a fascinating discussion, and I suggest you keep a notepad in front of you to compile a reading list, because he refers to the sources of the statements he makes.  He's extremely well read, speaks well, and I didn't catch him in any fibs that I could identify.  Not that I could confirm about 75% of what he said, because he's much better read than I'll ever be.

 

You won't like the interview if you're a globalist, a warmonger, a Churchill fanboy, or in favor of unfettered immigration.  I can't disagree with any of his Churchill facts, but I'm not sure I agree with his analysis.

 

Like Carlson's Putin interview, it was long.  Unlike the Putin interview, Carlson interrupted a lot.  I don't recommend spending the time if you're not interested in history and a new way to view the current angst in the West over immigration.  Also a very interesting bit about Jonestown (with the Kool-Aid), which is another one of his Podcasts.

 

https://tuckercarlson.com/tucker-show-darryl-cooper

 

It's good to see that people actually watched the interview. Like you I had a look and can confirm that in no way was this conversation about the holocaust, about holocaust denial or anything of the kind. It's a very interesting discussion with a very knowledgeable and interesting podcaster. I thought your assessment was very fair and accurate.

 

Clearly Cooper was condemning, not excusing the Wehrmacht, when he said that they had put themselves into a position where they started a war and did not make provisions for prisoners of war which meant that as a result mililons died. This statement was about prisoners of war primarily, not about jews and the holocaust.

 

What's more this statement is completely correct, academic historians such as Ruediger Overmans wrote exactly the same, that the Wehrmacht was ill prepared for the 5.7 million prisoners of war it captured in the East.

 

For left-wing people, or those with a holocaust industry protectionist instinct to claim that  "Aaaah, it's holocaust denial because he's implying there was no plan to murder jews, that people just starved in the camps" is a total misrepresentation. You could equally claim he denied the moon landing because he did not refer to the evidence for the moon landing. It's ludicrous. Cooper's correct statment does not mean he thinks there were no extermination camps and that people ONLY died by starvation. But of course a large number of Soviet prisoneres of war did die of starvation, and the Wehrmacht was to blame because they did not make provision for these prisoners. That's what Cooper was saying in reality. 

 

Left wing people have twisted his words and defamed him for the sole reason that Cooper is known to be a very right wing podcaster, as indeed is Carlson.

 

Of course they did the same with Carlson's Putin interview, where Putin gave his view on history, and many then used this to imply that Putin wants to reconstitute Imperial Russia.

 

The mendacious, malicious and obvious misrepresentation of the facts by the mainstream media and left wingers, is more real than I ever thought possible.

 

 

Edited September 8, 20241 yr by Cameroni

10 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

It's good to see that people actually watched the interview. Like you I had a look and can confirm that in no way was this conversation about the holocaust, about holocaust denial or anything of the kind. It's a very interesting discussion with a very knowledgeable and interesting podcaster. I thought your assessment was very fair and accurate.

 

Clearly Cooper was condemning, not excusing the Wehrmacht, when he said that they had put themselves into a position where they started a war and did not make provisions for prisoners of war which meant that as a result mililons died. This statement was about prisoners of war primarily, not about jews and the holocaust.

 

What's more this statement is completely correct, academic historians such as Ruediger Overmans wrote exactly the same, that the Wehrmacht was ill prepared for the 5.7 million prisoners of war it captured in the East.

 

For left-wing people, or those with a holocaust industry protectionist instinct to claim that  "Aaaah, it's holocaust denial because he's implying there was no plan to murder jews, that people just starved in the camps" is a total misrepresentation. You could equally claim he denied the moon landing because he did not refer to the evidence for the moon landing. It's ludicrous. Cooper's correct statment does not mean he thinks there were no extermination camps and that people ONLY died by starvation. But of course a large number of Soviet prisoneres of war did die of starvation, and the Wehrmacht was to blame because they did not make provision for these prisoners. That's what Cooper was saying in reality. 

 

Left wing people have twisted his words and defamed him for the sole reason that Cooper is known to be a very right wing podcaster, as indeed is Carlson.

 

Of course they did the same with Carlson's Putin interview, where Putin gave his view on history, and many then used this to imply that Putin wants to reconstitute Imperial Russia.

 

The mendacious, malicious and obvious misrepresentation of the facts by the mainstream media and left wingers, is more real than I ever thought possible.

 

 

 

 

So what Cooper is claiming is that the Nazis acted out of kindness?

 

Having realised the Jews, disabled, Romas were hungry it was better to exterminate them and put them out of their misery......well that throws a whole new light on this supposed holocaust.

1 hour ago, Will B Good said:

 

 

So what Cooper is claiming is that the Nazis acted out of kindness?

 

Having realised the Jews, disabled, Romas were hungry it was better to exterminate them and put them out of their misery......well that throws a whole new light on this supposed holocaust.

 

That is not what he is saying. He quoted a letter where a German Kommadant complained that there was no food and wondered if it might not be more humane to shoot the Soviet prisoners of war than to let them perish slowly through starvation. However, this was in connection with  Cooper's condemnation of the Wehrmacht for starting a war in which they failed to make adequate provision to feed millions of prisoners of war. Cooper is correct to say that many prisoners of war starved for this reason due to a lack of food and malnutrition. This is in no way a statement about Romas, Jews, the Holocaust, death camps and such, and in no way denies any of these.

 

If you want to watch the podcast, since you're interested in history, you can find it here:

 

 

1 hour ago, Cameroni said:

 

That is not what he is saying. He quoted a letter where a German Kommadant complained that there was no food and wondered if it might not be more humane to shoot the Soviet prisoners of war than to let them perish slowly through starvation. However, this was in connection with  Cooper's condemnation of the Wehrmacht for starting a war in which they failed to make adequate provision to feed millions of prisoners of war. Cooper is correct to say that many prisoners of war starved for this reason due to a lack of food and malnutrition. This is in no way a statement about Romas, Jews, the Holocaust, death camps and such, and in no way denies any of these.

 

If you want to watch the podcast, since you're interested in history, you can find it here:

 

 

Frankly, the Germans have not been up to their reputation on this matter. How did they dare to make war without planning enough food for prisoners! 😃

 

I guess that Cooper's excessive eagerness to shame the Nazis is the sole reason why he completely ignored the genocide of Jews and Gypsies, as it seems to have been quite well planned and organised.

 

2 hours ago, candide said:

I guess that Cooper's excessive eagerness to shame the Nazis is the sole reason why he completely ignored the genocide of Jews and Gypsies, as it seems to have been quite well planned and organised.

 

He also ignored submarine warfare and the atrocities committed by the Japanese.  It was a 2.25 hour chat, not an 8 semester history class.

 

I think what really got him (and Carlson) in trouble was their discussion of the deleterious effects of unfettered immigration.  But the left couldn't argue that one on the merits.  Carlson and Cooper are right on that one.  So they called him a holocaust denier, and nobody's allowed to listen to holocaust deniers about anything, even their Mom's recipes.

 

What's telling here in this thread is the number of guys who adopted a position based on a few out of context soundbites, and make an argument against the guy without even listening to what he actually said.  That's why the MSM is so dangerous.  They say anything often enough and the lefties will fight you to the death (and vote) based on those soundbites.  

 

 

 

Darryl Cooper does not appear to have widely publicized formal academic qualifications. His prominence and influence stem largely from his independent research, storytelling abilities, and analysis of historical and social issues rather than from a formal academic background. 

 

Mmmmmm?

29 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

He also ignored submarine warfare and the atrocities committed by the Japanese.  It was a 2.25 hour chat, not an 8 semester history class.

 

I think what really got him (and Carlson) in trouble was their discussion of the deleterious effects of unfettered immigration.  But the left couldn't argue that one on the merits.  Carlson and Cooper are right on that one.  So they called him a holocaust denier, and nobody's allowed to listen to holocaust deniers about anything, even their Mom's recipes.

 

What's telling here in this thread is the number of guys who adopted a position based on a few out of context soundbites, and make an argument against the guy without even listening to what he actually said.  That's why the MSM is so dangerous.  They say anything often enough and the lefties will fight you to the death (and vote) based on those soundbites.  

 

Cooper is a Holocaust denier and Nazi apologist.

 

What’s telling here is who it is that is attracted to the filth he pedals.

6 hours ago, Cameroni said:

For left-wing people, or those with a holocaust industry protectionist instinct

OK 

 

Here’s another view of the filth some here are fawning over:

 

https://www.thejc.com/news/usa/shoah-museum-says-tucker-carlson-podcast-promoted-by-elon-musk-was-repugnant-holocaust-denial-s7w6ffhu

Too much of free speech!

White House comments on some ex-journalist's interview. 

Obviously pre-election campaign.

How pathetic!

What's next? Lloyd Austin's coming out?

1 hour ago, impulse said:

 

He also ignored submarine warfare and the atrocities committed by the Japanese.  It was a 2.25 hour chat, not an 8 semester history class.

 

I think what really got him (and Carlson) in trouble was their discussion of the deleterious effects of unfettered immigration.  But the left couldn't argue that one on the merits.  Carlson and Cooper are right on that one.  So they called him a holocaust denier, and nobody's allowed to listen to holocaust deniers about anything, even their Mom's recipes.

 

What's telling here in this thread is the number of guys who adopted a position based on a few out of context soundbites, and make an argument against the guy without even listening to what he actually said.  That's why the MSM is so dangerous.  They say anything often enough and the lefties will fight you to the death (and vote) based on those soundbites.  

 

Sure! And I have no doubt that  considering how he has been widely misunderstood, he will soon make a declaration or a tweet stating that, of course, the genocide of Jews and Gypsies had been planned by the Nazis.

11 hours ago, candide said:

Sure! And I have no doubt that  considering how he has been widely misunderstood, he will soon make a declaration or a tweet stating that, of course, the genocide of Jews and Gypsies had been planned by the Nazis.

 

Why would you expect him to walk back something he didn't say?

 

19 hours ago, Cameroni said:

 

That is not what he is saying. He quoted a letter where a German Kommadant complained that there was no food and wondered if it might not be more humane to shoot the Soviet prisoners of war than to let them perish slowly through starvation. However, this was in connection with  Cooper's condemnation of the Wehrmacht for starting a war in which they failed to make adequate provision to feed millions of prisoners of war. Cooper is correct to say that many prisoners of war starved for this reason due to a lack of food and malnutrition. This is in no way a statement about Romas, Jews, the Holocaust, death camps and such, and in no way denies any of these.

 

If you want to watch the podcast, since you're interested in history, you can find it here:

 

 

More B.S. about there not being enough food. Here's a tidbit from the Bundesarchiv which gives the lie to that. Apparently there was enough food when those Russian P.O,W.s were needed for slave labor:

"Only when the early onset of winter 1941 caused a halt in the advance of Armed Forces, which meant that the war in the East would drag out for some time, and when parts of the German economy was threatening to stagnate because of the labour shortage growing rapidly again, the POWs were intended to be deployed in the Reich and were cockered up by feeding them increased food rations, as they said in the administrative language. Due to the maltreatment also in the Reich and very hard work especially in the defence and in the mining industry, which had to be carried out by Soviet POWs from then on, a further 1.3 million soldiers lost their lives."

https://www.bundesarchiv.de/zwangsarbeit/geschichte/auslaendisch/russlandfeldzug/index.html.en

2 hours ago, impulse said:

 

Why would you expect him to walk back something he didn't say?

 

That's the point. He did not say anything about it.

He just said that it was not really Hitler's fault and pushed the general idea that the Nazis were unprepared. They were quite prepared to exterminate Jews in the countries they invaded.

Usually, when public figures are 'misunderstood' they make a statement to correct this misunderstanding.

22 hours ago, candide said:

Frankly, the Germans have not been up to their reputation on this matter. How did they dare to make war without planning enough food for prisoners! 😃

 

I guess that Cooper's excessive eagerness to shame the Nazis is the sole reason why he completely ignored the genocide of Jews and Gypsies, as it seems to have been quite well planned and organised.

 

 

Cooper is right to indict the German leadership for starting a war without making adequate provision to feed millions of prisoners of war.

 

But of course the same happened with the Americans and their camps like the Rheinwiesenlager after the war, the exact same issues, malnutrition, deaths by starvation, lack of medical facilities, dysentry and typhus, camps in the open air etc..

 

Looking at the occupation of Japan it seems planning was also sub-par. In the modern world the same with Iraq. Palestine now, the same.

 

The reason the holocaust did not come up was because, again, it was not a podcast about the holocaust. It did not feature at all. Which is why it's so bizarre for the White House to call this holocaust denial, most likely they did so on the word of Yad Vashem, or another organisation. These entities are always striving to highlight their relevance to ensure funding. But since Cooper was not talking about the holocaust at all it is really quite bizarre.

Edited September 9, 20241 yr by Cameroni

3 hours ago, placeholder said:

More B.S. about there not being enough food. Here's a tidbit from the Bundesarchiv which gives the lie to that. Apparently there was enough food when those Russian P.O,W.s were needed for slave labor:

"Only when the early onset of winter 1941 caused a halt in the advance of Armed Forces, which meant that the war in the East would drag out for some time, and when parts of the German economy was threatening to stagnate because of the labour shortage growing rapidly again, the POWs were intended to be deployed in the Reich and were cockered up by feeding them increased food rations, as they said in the administrative language. Due to the maltreatment also in the Reich and very hard work especially in the defence and in the mining industry, which had to be carried out by Soviet POWs from then on, a further 1.3 million soldiers lost their lives."

https://www.bundesarchiv.de/zwangsarbeit/geschichte/auslaendisch/russlandfeldzug/index.html.en

From your own link:

 

"The Soviet POWs were the first to feel this. Within a few months two million of the 3.35 million prisoners, that had been imprisoned until the end of 1941, died from cachexia due to insufficient food rations, lack of medical care and lacking protection against heat and cold. "

 

So this exactly what Cooper was talking about.

 

It indeed seems logical that once some Soviet POWs were transferred to the Reich their food rations and general conditions improved. In other words, food in Germany was more available than in some remote recently conquered part of Soviet Russia. This also explains  in part (there are are other reasons) why only 3.5 percent of American/Canddian/UK etc POWs, perished, but so many more Soviet POWs died, more than 50%..

 

However, we're not really talking about Germany, we're talking about the situation in the territory conquered from the Soviet Union and other parts of Eastern Europe. It was not the same situation there as was found in Germany.

 

"Starvation and its associated illnesses killed about 20 million people in Europe and Asia during World War II, approximately the same as the number of soldiers killed in battle. Most of the deaths from starvation in Europe were in the Soviet Union and Poland, countries invaded by Germany and occupied in whole or part during the war."

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_and_agriculture_in_Nazi_Germany

 

Since starvation did kill 20 million people during WWII Cooper seems to have been correct, that this was one of the main, but forgotten issues. Quite perspicacious of him. And indeed he was also correct in that the majority of those deaths were in Soviet Russia, ie Russians and Russian POWs.

 

 

 

 

5 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

From your own link:

 

"The Soviet POWs were the first to feel this. Within a few months two million of the 3.35 million prisoners, that had been imprisoned until the end of 1941, died from cachexia due to insufficient food rations, lack of medical care and lacking protection against heat and cold. "

 

So this exactly what Cooper was talking about.

 

It indeed seems logical that once some Soviet POWs were transferred to the Reich their food rations and general conditions improved. In other words, food in Germany was more available than in some remote recently conquered part of Soviet Russia. This also explains  in part (there are are other reasons) why only 3.5 percent of American/Canddian/UK etc POWs, perished, but so many more Soviet POWs died, more than 50%..

 

However, we're not really talking about Germany, we're talking about the situation in the territory conquered from the Soviet Union and other parts of Eastern Europe. It was not the same situation there as was found in Germany.

 

"Starvation and its associated illnesses killed about 20 million people in Europe and Asia during World War II, approximately the same as the number of soldiers killed in battle. Most of the deaths from starvation in Europe were in the Soviet Union and Poland, countries invaded by Germany and occupied in whole or part during the war."

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_and_agriculture_in_Nazi_Germany

 

Since starvation did kill 20 million people during WWII Cooper seems to have been correct, that this was one of the main, but forgotten issues. Quite perspicacious of him. And indeed he was also correct in that the majority of those deaths were in Soviet Russia, ie Russians and Russian POWs.

 

 

 

 

What about the evidence that starvation was deliberately inflicted by the Nazis on those populations. You don't seem to have an answer for the fact that your claim that because the plan was only partially implemented it really wasn't implemented at all.

As noted, there's plenty of evidence that the Germans purposely starved populations as part of their racist plan.  And the POWs in Germany weren't fed better because they were in Germany, they were fed better because they were being used as slave labor. And of course it's ridiculous to claim that prisoners whom the Nazis viewed as subhumans, were only being starved because of logistics.

 

7 minutes ago, placeholder said:

What about the evidence that starvation was deliberately inflicted by the Nazis on those populations. You don't seem to have an answer for the fact that your claim that because the plan was only partially implemented it really wasn't implemented at all.

As noted, there's plenty of evidence that the Germans purposely starved populations as part of their racist plan.  And the POWs in Germany weren't fed better because they were in Germany, they were fed better because they were being used as slave labor. And of course it's ridiculous to claim that prisoners whom the Nazis viewed as subhumans, were only being starved because of logistics.

 

 

This also happened, but it was also inflicted on Germans, for example the "useless eaters" in prisons and such were also given reduced rations, and they were Germans. But yes, clearly Soviet POWs were deliberately not given the same rations as German soldiers or civilians.

 

Looking at Generalplan Ost it very much seems like a plan on how to restructure settlements AFTER Germany has won the war, so it is not surprising it was not fully implemented. Was it implemented to a partial degree, sure, but can  you provide the documented evidence on how that implementation was a direct causation of Generalplan Ost? Very unlikely, since this plan was highly confidential and only known to a handful of people in the upper hierarchy of Germany.

 

 

Edited September 9, 20241 yr by Cameroni

Just now, Cameroni said:

 

This also happened, but it was also inflicted on Germans, for example the "useless eaters" in prisons and such were also given reduced rations, and they were Germans. But yes, clearly Soviet POWs were deliberately not given the same rations as German soldiers or civilians.

 

Looking at Generalplan Ost it very much seems like a plan on how to restructure settlements AFTER German has won the war, so it is not surprising it was not fully implemented. Was it implemented to a partial degree, sure, but can  you provide the link on how that implementation was a direct causation of Generalplan Ost? Very unlikely, since this plan was highly confidential and only known to a handful of people in the upper hierarchy of Germany.

 

 

As states, it was being implemented. Not on hold until after the war. It was the realities of war that put it on hold after massive and purposeful starvation was inflicted on populations whom the Nazis considered to be subhumans.

28 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

From your own link:

 

"The Soviet POWs were the first to feel this. Within a few months two million of the 3.35 million prisoners, that had been imprisoned until the end of 1941, died from cachexia due to insufficient food rations, lack of medical care and lacking protection against heat and cold. "

 

So this exactly what Cooper was talking about.

 

It indeed seems logical that once some Soviet POWs were transferred to the Reich their food rations and general conditions improved. In other words, food in Germany was more available than in some remote recently conquered part of Soviet Russia. This also explains  in part (there are are other reasons) why only 3.5 percent of American/Canddian/UK etc POWs, perished, but so many more Soviet POWs died, more than 50%..

 

However, we're not really talking about Germany, we're talking about the situation in the territory conquered from the Soviet Union and other parts of Eastern Europe. It was not the same situation there as was found in Germany.

 

"Starvation and its associated illnesses killed about 20 million people in Europe and Asia during World War II, approximately the same as the number of soldiers killed in battle. Most of the deaths from starvation in Europe were in the Soviet Union and Poland, countries invaded by Germany and occupied in whole or part during the war."

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_and_agriculture_in_Nazi_Germany

 

Since starvation did kill 20 million people during WWII Cooper seems to have been correct, that this was one of the main, but forgotten issues. Quite perspicacious of him. And indeed he was also correct in that the majority of those deaths were in Soviet Russia, ie Russians and Russian POWs.

 

 

 

 

This all at a time when the Nazis had already blockaded the Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto and employed starvation as a weapon to wipe them out.

 

The Nazi were already employing starvation as a weapon of murder long before captured Russian troops were subjected to this barbarity.

 

 

1 hour ago, placeholder said:

As states, it was being implemented. Not on hold until after the war. It was the realities of war that put it on hold after massive and purposeful starvation was inflicted on populations whom the Nazis considered to be subhumans.

No, Generalplan Ost was to be fully implemented after Germany won the war, so its full implementation would by definition have only been possible after the war. Whether and to what extent some elements of the "plan", really a series of presentations, plans and speech transcripts, were in fact implemented is still debated in academia.

 

But it is quite clear that this plan was to be implemented after victory in the east, it was meant to restructure settlements of the conquered East, also by means of deportations to Siberia. Indeed it is still unclear if Generalplan Ost literally talked about deportations to Siberia, or whether it was a epheumism for something more sinister.

 

The plan itself speaks of a period of 20-25 years for the "germanisation". How could it possibly therefore be fully implemented, clearly not the case. This Generalplan Ost really contained several plans, drafted by different agencies, some of which were in competition with each other.

 

There were some parts that were implemented, those being the deportations of Poles and Jews from Poland. Some settlements were established in Ukraine.

 

At the Nuremeberg trial former employees of the RFK Planungsamt Erhard Mäding, Herbert Morgen, Josef Umlauf und Walter Christaller were adamant and declared under oath that the plans of Genearlplan Ost were just theoeretical exercises and never more than a mere brainchild of planners. The judgement of Nuremeberg accepted that it was a plan to rebuild the east.

 

Whilst deportations did happen in Poland, you can not establish any causal link with Generalplan Ost, because only a handful of people in the Nazi administration knew about Generalplan Ost, which was to be kept secret.

 

 

 

 

On 9/9/2024 at 7:13 PM, Cameroni said:

No, Generalplan Ost was to be fully implemented after Germany won the war, so its full implementation would by definition have only been possible after the war. Whether and to what extent some elements of the "plan", really a series of presentations, plans and speech transcripts, were in fact implemented is still debated in academia.

 

But it is quite clear that this plan was to be implemented after victory in the east, it was meant to restructure settlements of the conquered East, also by means of deportations to Siberia. Indeed it is still unclear if Generalplan Ost literally talked about deportations to Siberia, or whether it was a epheumism for something more sinister.

 

The plan itself speaks of a period of 20-25 years for the "germanisation". How could it possibly therefore be fully implemented, clearly not the case. This Generalplan Ost really contained several plans, drafted by different agencies, some of which were in competition with each other.

 

There were some parts that were implemented, those being the deportations of Poles and Jews from Poland. Some settlements were established in Ukraine.

 

At the Nuremeberg trial former employees of the RFK Planungsamt Erhard Mäding, Herbert Morgen, Josef Umlauf und Walter Christaller were adamant and declared under oath that the plans of Genearlplan Ost were just theoeretical exercises and never more than a mere brainchild of planners. The judgement of Nuremeberg accepted that it was a plan to rebuild the east.

 

Whilst deportations did happen in Poland, you can not establish any causal link with Generalplan Ost, because only a handful of people in the Nazi administration knew about Generalplan Ost, which was to be kept secret.

 

 I repeatedly say "partially implemented" and you reply as though I had written "fully  implemented.". Stop making things up.

Wow1 4 Nazis  who worked on the plan at Nuremberg claimed that the plan was never implemented. Definitely believable. What motive could they possibly have to deny it. But wait, it gets even better...

"In 1947/48, Mäding euphemistically stated that the General Plan East had "significantly improved the value of the areas in question and thus a significant improvement in the standard of living of the inhabitants, including the remaining Polish population."[2]"

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erhard_Mäding

The above is an English translation of what Mäding claimed.

But wait it gets even better:

 

In 1947/48, Mäding euphemistically stated that the General Plan East had "meant a significant upgrading of the areas in question and thus a significant improvement in the standard of living of the inhabitants, including the remaining Polish population."[2]

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erhard_Mäding

 

I didn't bother to check the resumes of the other 3 who testified. Should I?

 

 

Does ANYONE care about what comes out of the W H now? The occupant is virtually invisible, we don't even know who is in charge, he's been let off prosecution because he's too old and decrepit, and he can't even hold it together for 90 minutes without a teleprompter. Why should anyone care about his opinions? He's as dead a duck as any duck ever was. Completely irrelevant, IMO.

7 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Does ANYONE care about what comes out of the W H now? The occupant is virtually invisible, we don't even know who is in charge, he's been let off prosecution because he's too old and decrepit, and he can't even hold it together for 90 minutes without a teleprompter. Why should anyone care about his opinions? He's as dead a duck as any duck ever was. Completely irrelevant, IMO.

Ok. Don't vote for Biden! 😀