The debate thread.

[maesariang]

1 minute ago, rudi49jr said:

Had they been in favor of Trump you’d have quoted them as undeniable truths, wouldn’t you?

Debate polls? Nope. Proper polls take 2 to 7 days. 

[stevenl]

5 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Yeah, she is still an awful candidate, win or lose.

Nothing to do with this thread.

[thaibeachlovers]

8 minutes ago, Inderpland said:

An alien watching the debate would take one look at Trump and say "Well f*** me, we're not the only aliens on the planet!"

An alien watching the debate would take one look at Harris and say" humans must be insane to want that as a leader".

[maesariang]

Just now, stevenl said:

Nothing to do with this thread.

Nothing in the debate to make people vote Harris. Just vague statements and blame Trump.

[Inderpland]

3 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

We know Trump's policies from last time. We knew nothing of hers except the ones she stole from Trump. Post debate we still don't know her policies other than giving people's money to other people and wanting to kill the unborn.

Maybe try to ease your tight grip on your pearls or the necklace will probably break.

[stats]

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[Cameroni]

Exactly, people simply don't know what Harris stands for. And her peformance in the debate did not clear up HOW she would create an "Opportunity Economy". How she was going to bring down inflation. All she offered was platitudes.

 

And Trump called her out on it at the end when he said "She promised to do all these things, but she's been in office for almost 4 years, why has she not done them already?"

 

That was quite powerful.

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[Will B Good]

1 minute ago, maesariang said:

Nothing in the debate to make people vote Harris. Just vague statements and blame Trump.

 

Very true……..if only she were a proven liar, sex offender and felon…..something she could brag about.

[Inderpland]

10 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

No she did not, in fact Trump finished better, when she went on and on about "I will create an opportunity economy" ...I will do this and that, Trump simply countered "She's been in office for 3 and a half years, why did she not do it already?".

 

Ultimately there was no comeback for that. Kamala Harris promised to do this or that, but she's been in office almost 4 years, and did not do the things she promised.

You mean like "I'm gonna build the wall and have Mexico pay for it"?

[riclag]

1 hour ago, maesariang said:

Undecided voters choose Trump

 

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/some-undecided-voters-not-convinced-by-harris-after-debate-with-trump-2024-09-11/

 

Harris too vague

Your source:

 

“Harris and Trump are in a tight race and the election will likely be decided by just tens of thousands of votes in a handful of battleground states, many of whom are swing voters like the undecided voters who spoke to Reuters.

Although the sample size was small, the responses suggested Harris might need to provide more detailed policy proposals to win over voters who have yet to make up their minds”.

 

It all comes down to the people in the swing states

[maesariang]

I hope we get a 2nd debate. I think Vance will hammer home the price of groceries etc. 

[Inderpland]

2 minutes ago, maesariang said:

I hope we get a 2nd debate. I think Vance will hammer home the price of groceries etc. 

Maybe quote the price of couch potatoes.

[bubblegum]

24 minutes ago, Gecko123 said:

Trump Media and Technology (DJT) stock down 11.5% in pre-market trading at 7:25 AM

Who needs poll's?

[Danderman123]

9 hours ago, mdr224 said:

Putin waited for biden to get in so he could invade ukraine. China is waiting for kamala to win so they can invade taiwan

You have an active fantasy life. Why should anyone listen to you?

[Danderman123]

Unless Trump can find proof about pets being eaten by Haitian immigrants, he's done.

[Danderman123]

1 hour ago, frank83628 said:

as opposed to Harris already having 3.5 years to do hers

You're confused.

 

Harris isn't President yet.

[Peabody]

30 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

"She promised to do all these things, but she's been in office for almost 4 years, why has she not done them already?"

Like many on this thread, I guess he was confused about which president beat his butt in the last election.

[simple1]

1 hour ago, frank83628 said:

not going to pay to read that crap, got any free links?

 

If you haven't read how do know it's 'crap' other than rejecting 'cause it not from a right of centre source. BTW It's a free article 

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[Cameroni]

49 minutes ago, Peabody said:

Like many on this thread, I guess he was confused about which president beat his butt in the last election.

 

That's not satisfactory reply. The Vice Presidential office has considerable power, as we saw with Cheney. When Kamala promises to do this and to do that, it is devastating for Trump to say "She promises to do all this, but she's been in office for almost 4 years, why did she do not it already"?

 

When it came to the arguments, Trump really won them all.

 

However, Kamala did the better acting, laughing and smirking, and had a few good soundbites ("He was fired by 80 million people). The suggestion for people to go to the Trump rally was a highpoint for her.

 

But where it mattered, on the economy, all she offered was empty air and nothing of substance and even the mainstream media concede that.

 

Overall Trump had the better moments, when he shut her up "I'm talking, sound familiar",  "I was going to send her Maga hat because now she has all my policies" and at the very end when he countered Kamala's promises with "She's been in office for 4 years why hasn't she done it?".

 

Alas, his pet eating gaffe was a pity, so unnecessary given the real crimes  immigrants have committed,  that was a pretty stupid mistake, and he talked too much about his own record. He should have talked about hers.

 

You could, at a stretch call it a draw. Which is already surprising, I never thought Harris would fumble like Biden, but I did think Trump would win easily.  Instead it was a draw, so Harris did well. But to say she won the debate is completely unbelievable.

 

The moderators craven unfair one-sided "fact checking" which only focused on Trump and let Harris off for her many lies, has clearly driven home to many Americans that the media is not objective, and quite clearly Harris was helped by the moderators in this debate to a great degree.

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[Inderpland]

4 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

That's not satisfactory reply. The Vice Presidential office has considerable power, as we saw with Cheney. When Kamala promises to do this and to do that, it is devastating for Trump to say "She promises to do all this, but she's been in office for almost 4 years, why did she do not it already"?

 

When it came to the arguments, Trump really won them all.

 

However, Kamala did the better acting, laughing and smirking, and had a few good soundbites ("He was fired by 80 million people). The suggestion for people to go to the Trump rally was a highpoint for her.

 

But where it mattered, on the economy, all she offered was empty air and nothing of substance and even the mainstream media concede that.

 

Overall Trump had the better moments, when he shut her up "I'm talking, sound familiar",  "I was going to send her Maga hat because now she has all my policies" and at the very end when he countered Kamala's promises with "She's been in office for 4 years why hasn't she done it?".

 

Alas, his pet eating gaffe was a pity, so unnecessary given the real crimes  immigrants have committed,  that was a pretty stupid mistake, and he talked too much about his own record. He should have talked about hers.

 

You could, at a stretch call it a draw. Which is already surprising, I never thought Harris would fumble like Biden, but I did think Trump would win easily.  Instead it was a draw, so Harris did well. But to say she won the debate is completely unbelievable.

So when he said that after 9 years of promising to replace Obamacare he was now at the stage of having a concept of an idea, would you say that was one of his strongest moments of the debate?

[Cameroni]

2 minutes ago, Inderpland said:

So when he said that after 9 years of promising to replace Obamacare he was now at the stage of having a concept of an idea, would you say that was one of his strongest moments of the debate?

 

He had a few weak moments. Much worse was how he tried to blame Kamala and Joe for the inflation, when Americans know it's not their fault. But then Kamala did the same with Covid, blaming Trump for Covid, which was equally ridiculous.

 

Basically both lied a lot. Trump won most of the arguments and finished strong. But he talked excessively about his record and came up with the stupid pet eating comment, if it hadn't been for that there would have been a strong case for him having won.

[maesariang]

10 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

That's not satisfactory reply. The Vice Presidential office has considerable power, as we saw with Cheney. When Kamala promises to do this and to do that, it is devastating for Trump to say "She promises to do all this, but she's been in office for almost 4 years, why did she do not it already"?

 

When it came to the arguments, Trump really won them all.

 

However, Kamala did the better acting, laughing and smirking, and had a few good soundbites ("He was fired by 80 million people). The suggestion for people to go to the Trump rally was a highpoint for her.

 

But where it mattered, on the economy, all she offered was empty air and nothing of substance and even the mainstream media concede that.

 

Overall Trump had the better moments, when he shut her up "I'm talking, sound familiar",  "I was going to send her Maga hat because now she has all my policies" and at the very end when he countered Kamala's promises with "She's been in office for 4 years why hasn't she done it?".

 

Alas, his pet eating gaffe was a pity, so unnecessary given the real crimes  immigrants have committed,  that was a pretty stupid mistake, and he talked too much about his own record. He should have talked about hers.

 

You could, at a stretch call it a draw. Which is already surprising, I never thought Harris would fumble like Biden, but I did think Trump would win easily.  Instead it was a draw, so Harris did well. But to say she won the debate is completely unbelievable.

 

The moderators craven unfair one-sided "fact checking" which only focused on Trump and let Harris off for her many lies, has clearly driven home to many Americans that the media is not objective, and quite clearly Harris was helped by the moderators in this debate to a great degree.

3 vs 1 yet still a draw. Trump won the start, Harris near the end. Just a draw is poor.

[Will B Good]

4 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

He had a few weak moments. Much worse was how he tried to blame Kamala and Joe for the inflation, when Americans know it's not their fault. But then Kamala did the same with Covid, blaming Trump for Covid, which was equally ridiculous.

 

Basically both lied a lot. Trump won most of the arguments and finished strong. But he talked excessively about his record and came up with the stupid pet eating comment, if it hadn't been for that there would have been a strong case for him having won.

 

 

I can't find anything in the transcript re: blaming Trump for Covid......do you have it? This is all I could find.....

 

But what Donald Trump did let's talk about this with COVID, is he actually thanked President XI for what he did during COVID. Look at his tweet. "Thank you, President XI," exclamation point. When we know that XI was responsible for lacking and not giving us transparency about the origins of COVID.

[Cameroni]

5 minutes ago, maesariang said:

3 vs 1 yet still a draw. Trump won the start, Harris near the end. Just a draw is poor.

 

I thought Trump finished very strong when he said "She's been in office almost 4 years, why has she not done it?", after Kamala made all the promises.

 

But before that it went a bit awry with pets.

[Cameroni]

2 minutes ago, Will B Good said:

 

 

I can't find anything in the transcript re: blaming Trump for Covid......do you have it? This is all I could find.....

 

But what Donald Trump did let's talk about this with COVID, is he actually thanked President XI for what he did during COVID. Look at his tweet. "Thank you, President XI," exclamation point. When we know that XI was responsible for lacking and not giving us transparency about the origins of COVID.

 

Sure, it's here:

 

"Donald Trump left us the worst public health epidemic in a century."

 

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/harris-trump-presidential-debate-transcript/story?id=113560542

 

To blame Trump for the Covid pandemic, is frankly beyond moronic.

[maesariang]

Just now, Cameroni said:

 

I thought Trump finished very strong when he said "She's been in office almost 4 years, why has she not done it?", after Kamala made all the promises.

 

But before that it went a bit awry with pets.

I thought Trump should have talked inflation more. Biden policies were 42% responsible according to MIT report. It was not all covid. Unemployment is 4.2%, was 3.5% in 2019. Trump should have repeated this more.

[Cameroni]

1 minute ago, maesariang said:

I thought Trump should have talked inflation more. Biden policies were 42% responsible according to MIT report. It was not all covid. Unemployment is 4.2%, was 3.5% in 2019. Trump should have repeated this more.

 

He should have focused more on the economy, but again these moderators directed the debate really. Made them talk about environmental concerns.

 

However, with inflation there were so many other causes, especially Covid, I just don't think most Americans blame Biden and Harris for inflation. I mean all other countries in Europe also had inflation.

[Inderpland]

1 minute ago, Cameroni said:

 

I thought Trump finished very strong when he said "She's been in office almost 4 years, why has she not done it?", after Kamala made all the promises.

 

Problem with that is he had 4 years in the WH as the actual president (and not VP) and when he was voted out he left a long list of broken promises so that question just makes him look like a hypocrite, and hypocrites never come across as strong. In fact, just the opposite.

[Fat is a type of crazy]

3 hours ago, maesariang said:

Harris was awful and it was ABC biased. The mods love her.

 

A debate on Fox lets see. Harris is too scared though.

You can put the scared schtick to rest. She was poised and ready for him.