Essential Driving Rules and Etiquette in Thailand

[CharlieH]

Stock photo via Piqsels

Many expats who stay in Thailand, or even tourists, may wonder what rules and behaviours should be adhered to in driving safely across the Kingdom. As Thailand’s road rules are similar to other countries in Southeast Asia, one thing that sets Thailand apart is that its roads are generally quite good.

However, there are still rules, laws and behaviours that need to be followed. Here, we have a list of such things that can help drivers stay safe when cruising around the Kingdom.

 

The Legal Driving Age

 

 

The legal age limit in Thailand in which to drive is 18 years old. And, in order to obtain a driving license in Thailand, potential drivers must take courses in a driving school before gaining a driving license.

Speed limits

On urban roads, the speed limit has been set at 50 kilometres per hour (km/h). For rural roads, it is set at 90 km/h. For motorbike users, the speed limit is generally set at 80 km/h, but be careful, you are not allowed on motorways and expressways. As traffic laws can change at any time, it is important to keep up to date with the speed limits set on the different types of roads in Thailand. Although going over these speeds is illegal, going under these speeds is recommended when encountering heavy traffic, rain, sand and other dangerous road conditions.

Traffic road signs to know

Thailand has five different types of road signs. It should not be hard to read them as they all feature the English language in addition to Thai. One example is the roundabout sign. This sign is circular in shape and features an arrow in a clockwise direction, meaning that it is illegal to change lanes. Drivers must also yield when necessary.

The warning signs in Thailand notify drivers of potential hazards in the area. Mandatory Signs mean you should adhere immediately to the posted rules. Information signs are most used by citizens, with many of them only being written in Thai language. Prohibitory Signs ban certain actions on the road. Priority Road Signs give the right away on specific sections of a highway.

Thailand road signs

Right of way

Speaking of right of way, Thai Traffic Laws state that when two moving vehicles reach a junction spot head-on, the car in the left lane is given the right of way. Unless there is a designation of a principle roadway mark, the vehicle on that mark has the right of way.

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Overtaking law

Attempting to move ahead of another vehicle without a warning signal comes with fines of up to 1,000 baht. So, it is wise to avoid overtaking without having a valid reason. For example, when driving up steep slopes, going around curves, at junctions, during heavy rain, or when reaching a safety zone. If you do decide to overtake, use a signal. Remember, that the driving side is on the left in Thailand.

Honking is not for those experiencing road rage

Although it may seem that locals honk in certain situations, it is actually considered very rude to honk out of frustration. Any honking you may hear is likely due to cultural behaviours. A mere beeping sound is a way for locals to notify other drivers that they should give way for them to go ahead first (or flashing lights in some cases). It is a form of asking for permission from other drivers when you slightly beep your horn.

When approaching blind curves and narrow streets, drivers often honk just to notify other drivers that, they too, are on the road. Many drivers who aren’t used to the customs in Thailand will notice many cars honking their horns for no apparent reason. But, if you take a quick look around, you will see that horns are being pushed when driving near a temple. This is done to signify respect to the inhabitants of the temples, not to just make noise.

Thailand traffic

Switching lanes requires a turn or hand signal

In the event that you need to move over on a narrow road or switch lanes on a highway, using a turn signal or waving your hand is vital in preventing an accident. As Thailand is full of motorbikes, making a sudden lane switch could cause an accident if you aren’t aware of your surroundings.

Crosswalks should be recognised

Thailand has designated lanes for every type of vehicle. As the outdoor culture features many pedestrians, it is important to recognise the crosswalks. If you encounter a pedestrian lane in front of your car, stop first and allow any pedestrians to cross the road before moving forward. Although crosswalks are commonly featured in major cities, many people make their own, resulting in jaywalking.

 

Regardless if this is the correct way in which to cross a road, it is your responsibility as a driver to yield to pedestrians. Those with an international driving permit should always keep it with them in the event of someone failing to observe a crosswalk, resulting in an accident.

The rules of parking

When parking, make sure you park in a designated parking area. Make sure your car is in a safe place with security officers around. Also, there are additional rules that dictate when you can park. Such rules as not parking on even or odd days and no parking from 7 to 9am do exist, so be mindful, and look out for signs. Curbs marked red and white indicate a no parking zone at any time. Parking is also prohibited on entry and exit points of buildings, bus stop signs, and safety zones.

If you are unsure, a good rule of thumb is to ask yourself whether you are parking in a manner which obstructs traffic, if yes, then it’s best to search for a better spot to avoid fines or having your wheels clamped.

Driving in Thailand

Seatbelt laws

As of 2022, all passengers in the vehicles are mandated to wear seatbelts at all times while travelling, even those in the back. Kids under 6 years old are legally required to use a child safety seat, while only being allowed to sit in the back seats of a car. The 2,000 baht fine is hefty, so be sure to keep your seatbelts fastened.

Drink-driving

In Thailand, the legal blood-alcohol concentration (BAC) limit for drivers over 20 years old is 0.05 grammes per litre of blood, generally equivalent to drinking one small can of beer. For those drivers with less than five years of driving experience, the limit is reduced to 0.02% unless they are okay with getting their permit seized by the officers who may cite them.

The fines here are also hefty, with fines ranging from 5,000 to 20,000 baht for your first offence, in addition to a possible six months imprisonment. Repeat offenders can find themselves up to 10 years behind bars, especially in cases resulting in serious injuries, or death upon others.

As with anywhere you go, it is important to keep a calm attitude and expression upon getting pulled over in Thailand. As the Land of Smiles is known for its people having a subdued attitude, getting upset and arguing will only cause you further problems. Safety is the number 1 reason to adhere to the rules and behaviours above, as it is important to observe the rules when driving in a foreign country.

Frequently Asked Questions (FAQs)

What are the required permits for tourists to drive in Thailand?

Tourists wishing to drive in Thailand must have an International Driving Permit (IDP) along with a valid national driver’s license. The IDP, valid in over 150 countries, translates your license into multiple languages and is often required by car rental companies in Thailand. To qualify, you must be at least 18 years of age. An IDP can be obtained before your trip through authorised entities by submitting a form, passport photos, and proof of payment.

 

Is it safe for foreigners to drive in Thailand?

Driving in Thailand can be challenging for foreigners due to unique road conditions and high accident rates, especially involving motorcycles. Speeding, reckless driving, and stray animals are common hazards. To drive safely, use signals, keep a safe distance, and be mindful of local driving habits and road conditions.

 

Can I turn left on a red light?

In Thailand, turning left on a red light is generally prohibited unless specific signs indicate otherwise. The sign “ซ้ายผ่านตลอด” (sai paan talort) means left turns are permitted at that intersection.

 

What to do if I get into an accident in Thailand?

Stay calm and do not leave the scene, as fleeing can result in imprisonment and void your insurance. Turn on your emergency lights, call your rental company or insurer for assistance. Contact the police at 191 or tourist police at 1155, and call an ambulance at 1554 if anyone is injured. Cooperate with the police without admitting fault and let your insurance provider handle the claim.

 

How strict are the helmet laws in Thailand?

In Thailand, helmet use is legally required for both motorcycle drivers and passengers, including tourists. While enforcement is stricter in urban areas like Bangkok, it is less rigorous in rural regions, leading to inconsistent compliance. Fines for non-compliance range from 500 to 1,000 baht, though enforcement varies.

[MalcolmB]

Thanks Charlie. Very informative.

Perhaps we should translate it into Thai and make some pamphlets to hand out to the Thais to read also.

[kwilco]

THere is a key to driving in Thailand.. Thai driving culture is influenced by the country’s historical reliance on river transport. This results in fluid, sometimes driving behaviour that can only be accounted for by realising this as it resembles manoeuvring a boat on water.

So ,understanding Thai driving involves recognizing its unique mix of practical road realities and cultural influences from river transport. For a safer experience, use caution, respect local road rules, and rely on technology for navigation.

 …..remember whilst driving, it’s a good idea to repeat to yourself

“I’m in a boat”

“I’m in a boat”

[kwilco]

Confused is what most farang motorists are, but there ego takes over and there brains disengage

[kwilco]

Rules for driving in Thailand

 

 

Expats in Thailand are almost to a man/woman “bad drivers” – they have a false belief that they are “superb drivers” and that Thai people are “bad drivers” – this is fundamentally a racist attitude.

There is stupid, stupider and racist these expats qualify on all levels not only are they racist they have no understanding of road safety in Thailand – they see it from an expat-centric point of view without any real understanding of rod safety or how to drive.

 

Firstly they seldom wonder what rules and behaviours should be adhered across the Kingdom, they just assume they are the same as at home.

 

Another mistake they make is thinking that Thailand’s roads are “generally quite good” -this epitomises the uninformed thinking that permeates the expat community

 

Then there are the rules, laws and behaviours that need to be understood – as a competent driver you don’t “follow” these you will instinctively adapt – but as most foreign drivers have no instinct they can’t and don’t.

 

 The reason is they come from countries that have adopted modern scientific road safety policies.

Road safety is not about “bad driving” – a purely subjective construct, it is understood to be a public health issue and their authorities have spent years implementing road safety policies. The downside of this is that people form these countries are unaware  - and think the lack of road deaths is down to their “good driving” – they couldn’t be more wrong – the roads, rules and regulations are all designed to protect these idiots from themselves. “Bad Drivers” exist all over the world – road safety systems are designed to protect them from themselves.

 

So let’s look at the list above and see how it can help.

 

The Legal Driving Age

The legal age limit in Thailand in which to drive is 18 years old. – in 4 wheeled private vehicle – it is possible to ride a motorcycle when you are 15. However this isn’t that different from the USA and many other countries. For instance Most states allow individuals to get a learner's permit around the age of 15 or 16, which allows supervised driving with a licensed adult in the car.

 

In Thailand, potential drivers must take courses in a driving school before gaining a driving license. - there is far too much emphasis put on the importance of a driving test - most drivers took there's at a time when tests were little more than a formality and the long term effects on good driving are lost to the accumulation of bad habits

 

SPEED LIMITS – the national speed limit is 90 kph – but they have now introduced many pointless variations.

One of Thailand’s biggest problems is a total lack of properly trained road traffic engineers. Anyone who has driven round the country in the last couple of years will see that the traffic engineers have gone mad with road markings, surface colourings and speed limits.

Everywhere 30 kph for schools are marked with colourful decorations all over the place – the 50 kph and derestriction signs are seldom it the right place and it’s not uncommon to see signs next to each other with different speed limits.

Major roads that are not up to motorway specification are being derestricted up to 120 kph which makes them even more dangerous that before and minimum speed limits in “fast” lanes have been introduced along with variable limits – none of this is properly enforced and absolutely none has been scientifically researched before introduction. It’s not uncommon to see 120 posted on the gantry and a 90 sign illuminated next to it.

The amount of traffic that simply ignores these limits is absurd and shows the utter chaos that exists on Thai roads. Even the placing and formats of these signs is inconsistent as if erected at whim.

 

Most foreign motorbike users are blithely unaware their speed limit is generally set at 80 km/h, or even that they are not allowed on motorways and expressways.

 

Traffic laws are changing quite a bit at the moment but without any clear unified policy, it is just load of mish mash that some over enthusiastic amateurs have thrown together. Of course enforcement is totally inconsistent by untrained officers.

 

It is difficult to say it’s important to keep up to date with these speed limits and the different types of roads as the police can’t enforce them and the courts can’t follow up with fines.

 

So many of these limits bear no relation to the road that they are imposed on, rather it seems they have just planted a few signs that were left in stock.

 

Traffic road signs – road signs are basically international – there are a few exceptions around the world  - however the most important thing about the international road sign system is it uses graphics and the way we reaction is largely subliminal – unfortunately Thai road traffic engineers don’t seem to have grasped this concept.

 

“Thailand has five different types of road signs. It should not be hard to read them as they all feature the English language in addition to Thai.” The golden rule is you don’t actually read road signs – as said you recognise them and you reaction is subliminal language is secondary and the graphics tell you what is going on.– unfortunately Thai road signs don’t understand this.

 

Right of way on the left – this is one of the most misunderstood road rules in Thailand and so many drivers fall foul of it.

 

Thai Traffic Law states that when two moving vehicles reach a junction the car in the left lane is given the right of way. Unless there is a designation of a principle roadway mark, the vehicle on that mark has the right of way. Drivers in France and even Netherlands will recognise this as the inverse of the “priority from the right rules on their roads. For years this was a source of serious crashes in France and totally misunderstood by British drivers. Nowadays the law still applies but clear signages and rationalisation of road design has largely eliminated the problem. Nevertheless it still remains embedded in French road culture – it is embedded in Thai road culture too but sadly road design and markings have not developed to mitigate the problem.

The most classic example in Thailand is when a foreign drivers yells “HE JUST CAME OUT IN FRONT OF ME!” – That’s because he can!

 

Roundabouts are a particular problem - One example is the roundabout sign….there are 2 versions!

They are both circular in shape and feature a arrows in a clockwise direction, but that doesn’t mean that it is illegal to change lanes.

“Drivers must also yield when necessary” – but you have to define “when necessary”

Roundabouts

There is no unified design for roundabouts and no national public awareness campaign for these relatively new additions to Thai roads.

 Using a roundabout in Thailand follows similar principles to other countries, but it's important to be aware of local driving habits and rules. Here’s a guide to using a roundabout correctly in Thailand:

 

The main problem appears to be that the priority to the left rule has to be reversed for roundabouts – This leads to mayhem

There are in fact TWO different signs used for roundabouts and markings are often non-existant- They are also frequent “creative” variations on roundabouts giving priority to vehicles in certain lanes – this is just WRONG.

 

In Thailand, the priority to the left rule indeed differs from some other countries, especially in the context of roundabouts. Here’s how the priority typically works in Thai roundabouts:

Entering the Roundabout - Unlike in some countries where vehicles already in the roundabout have priority, in Thailand, there's often an unwritten rule where vehicles entering the roundabout expect those already inside to yield to them. This is actually against both the rules and common sense. The result is that if you are approaching a roundabout and intend to enter it, you might find that vehicles inside the roundabout slow down or yield to you to allow you to enter.

So, once you are inside the roundabout, you actually have priority BUT you must still exercise caution and be prepared to yield to vehicles entering from your left, as they may not always adhere to the give correct priority conventions.

 

Exiting the Roundabout: - you should use indicators whilst ON the roundabout – (e.g. indicating right when you enter if you are using the third exit is not enough – you indicate left when you exit).When exiting, use your indicators ASAP to signal your intention to other drivers. As always, be mindful of motorbikes and other small vehicles that might manoeuvre inside you on the left.

Local driving habits and customs can vary with almost every roundabout so be aware and always stay vigilant and adapt to the flow of traffic around you.

Understanding and getting used to adapting quickly to these local driving customs can help you navigate roundabouts safely and smoothly in Thailand.

 

As you approach roundabouts you should officially yield to traffic on the right, i.e. already in the circle. Traffic already in the circle has the right of way. – this is international but not fully practiced in Thailand. Use your turn signals to indicate your intention to enter and exit the roundabout.- treat it as you would any other piece of road.

Lane discipline on roundabouts depends a lot on if the lanes are marked at all – in Thailand they usually aren’t. Thai roundabouts are not consistently marked and lanes can actually disappear on exiting. Some roundabouts have parallel lanes others have spirals and some are “irregular” or have no markings at all. However, like any other road you should get into to the left lane to exit if there is more than one lane.

 Remember to use your turn signals to indicate your intention to exit the roundabout.

Lane changing is permitted but sudden lane changes within the roundabout can be difficult and dangerous especially on one without proper markings.

Despite what you may experience it is the law In Thailand, that vehicles entering a roundabout must give way to traffic already on the roundabout unless signs or road markings indicate otherwise. You need to be aware that frequently  vehicles might not yield properly, so proceed cautiously even if you have the right of way.

 

 

ROAD SIGNS - In general though road signage in Thailand is appalling. Signs are erected at random and often in poorly visible places – hidden by billboards or vegetation. In most countries signs are placed at standard distances from whatever they are warning of…..they are familiar and positioned to be at “eyelevel” for motorists – in Thailand this is not taken into consideration, which means not only do they no signify correctly, it takes longer for motorists to ingest and react to the information – this may only be fractions of a second but in terms of road safety, this represents several metres of road.

 

Foreign motorists should familiarise themselves with the various types of signs as quickly as possible and then be prepared for them to be put in the oddest places.

 

Using your horn – is not acceptable in Thailand – it is part of the avoidance of confrontation culture that permeates all of Thai interactions.  At times it seems that Thai drivers would rather run into someone than use a horn.

 

Flashing lights and hooting are internationally recognised ways of indicating your presence – with hooting Thai culture would prefer to remain silent. Flashing lights basically mean the same all over the world BUT – various countries have developed secondary uses – in the UK, it means “OK come on out, I’ve seen you” – in Thailand it means “stay where you are, I coming through” – the initial meaning if indicating presence is still there, it’s what to do after that is different – you need to be aware of context –

If you see Thai people using their horn for no apparent reason, a quick glance around you will see a Spirit house or a place where Spirit houses are disposed of…..temples do not receive a toot.

 

Switching lanes requires a turn or hand signal – which applies in every county in the world – only a “bad driver” wouldn’t do that.

However lane markings on merging lanes in Thailand appear to have been designed by a mad man.

Any driver worth their salt will be aware of their surroundings. You don’t make assumptions based on driving at home, you use your mirrors

 

 

Pedestrian crossing in Thailand were totally ignored but now the fabulous road painting engineers have been let loose on some roads with some ridiculous results. You need to heed the pedestrian crossings but be aware whilst you are stopped many vehicles will pass you on either side – so don’t be too keen to wave tht old lady across in front of you only to seen her swept off her feet by some less considerate motorist who could see what you were doing.

 

There is now an increasing fashion to designate lanes to cyclists etc – but don’t be confused by these and the hard shoulders on many larger roads – these are used by motorbikes but are NOT M/C lanes. In some areas miles and miles of roads are decorated with cycle lanes, many of which are either overgrown or used by motorcycles.

 The default law in Thailand is that pedestrians have right of way – however one needs to take into account how this might surprise a motorist. There is no such thing as jay walking – see my post about being in a boat.

 

If you live continuously in Thailand for more than 3 months you are expected to have a Thai driving licence – you may find after this period that you are no longer covered by insurance.

 

The rules of parking

When parking, make sure you park in the direction of the traffic. You can be clamped – normally by someone in authority who’s short of cash.

Parking is fairly self-explanatory and of course most shopping malls provide free parking.

I love the way that in car parks, extra vehicles cab park across already parked cars – just remember to leave the car in neutral with the handbrake off. Unfortunately many modern cars automatically put on the handbrake or won’t stay in neutral

 

Seatbelt laws – why wouldn’t you wear a seat-belt? - all passengers too. Kids seats are compulsory.

 

Drink-driving – Thailand has plenty of laws to do with drink driving – but does very little about enforcing them. In fact 30% of accidents involve alcohol – that isn’t an excessively high percentage – about the same as the USA.

 

IDPs

Visitors are the required to have a home licence and IDP to drive in Thailand – this must be specifically for the vehicle they intend to drive. IDPs are issued in you home country usually by the national motoring organisation (AAA etc.) – the ones online are fakes.

There are 2 IDPs – the Vienna convention one lasts for 3 years so long as your licence is still valid and the Geneva convention one which is only for one year.

(oddly enough I saw a 5 year one issued in Thailand and just couldn’t tell if it was fake or not.)

 

Thailand has as yet, no small bike category, so to ride any 2-wheeled vehicle in Thailand you need a FULL M/C licence accompanied by an IDP with category “A” endorsed – not cat A1. If you live continuously in Thailand for more than 3 months you are expected to have a Thai driving licence – you may find after this period that you are no longer covered by insurance.

 

In many countries an IDP is available over the counter on presentation of the right documents.

 

If you are a competent driver you should be able to drive anywhere in the world – BUT if you expect people in Thailand to drive like they do “at home” then you are probably not a competent driver. If you end up shouting or getting angry with other road users in Thailand, the problem is almost certainly with YOU.

 

 

 

Turn left on a red light?

“turning left on a red light is generally prohibited unless specific signs indicate otherwise”. …

 

The picture  below says it all..

 

 

The sign on the left says – “turn left – wait for the right”

The sign on the right says “Turn left pass through”

 

The sign “ซ้ายผ่านตลอด” (sai paan talort) means “Left turn at all times”

 

CRASHES - What to do if I get into an accident in Thailand?

There is a protocol you should strictly adhere to.

The very first thing you do is contact you insurance.

Make sure someone has rung emergency, police etc. but you  priority must be to contact the insurance – they will very quickly send an agent to the scene.

DON”T try and sort this out yourself – you can’t do it. I’ve seen time and again foreigners arguing the toss, presumably citing their home country’s traffic laws – you will just make things worse – remember to, if you raise your voice, you have lost.

 

 Helmet

Why would you ride any bike without a helmet. helmet use is legally required for motorcycle drivers and passengers. Enforcement is stricter in some areas than others  but new laws and the fact that a good helmet is becoming a status symbol means that helmet wearing amongst locals is becoming more common. And non-wearing is so easy to spot it’s just free money for the police.

 

[richard_smith237]

On 1/4/2025 at 9:46 PM, kwilco said:

THere is a key to driving in Thailand.. Thai driving culture is influenced by the country’s historical reliance on river transport. This results in fluid, sometimes driving behaviour that can only be accounted for by realising this as it resembles manoeuvring a boat on water.

So ,understanding Thai driving involves recognizing its unique mix of practical road realities and cultural influences from river transport. For a safer experience, use caution, respect local road rules, and rely on technology for navigation.

 …..remember whilst driving, it’s a good idea to repeat to yourself

“I’m in a boat”

“I’m in a boat”

 

..... All Thai's think they are driving a boat...      You've excelled yourself !!!  

 

6 minutes ago, kwilco said:

Expats in Thailand are almost to a man/woman “bad drivers” –

 

Except you of course, remember, you know all about roads, no one else does !!! 

 

6 minutes ago, kwilco said:

they have a false belief that they are “superb drivers” and that Thai people are “bad drivers” – this is fundamentally a racist attitude.

 

Fundamentally racist as in sweeping a whole nation with the generalisation that they have never got beyond 'boats'... 

 

 

 

You do come up with some amusing rubbish... 

[richard_smith237]

10 minutes ago, kwilco said:

IDPs

Visitors are the required to have a home licence and IDP to drive in Thailand

 

Not if your the license from your home nation is in the English Language. 

Depending on the type of Visa you have, you can drive on your home (i.e. UK) license here and an IDP is not required. 

 

Also note: If someone carries a resident visa (i.e. A Non-Immigrant Visa), they are 'supposed to secure a Thai Driving licence'... (I've never actually read or heard of any enforcement of this though).

 

 

[rattlesnake]

14 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

Not if your the license from your home nation is in the English Language. 

Depending on the type of Visa you have, you can drive on your home (i.e. UK) license here and an IDP is not required. 

 

Also note: If someone carries a resident visa (i.e. A Non-Immigrant Visa), they are 'supposed to secure a Thai Driving licence'... (I've never actually read or heard of any enforcement of this though).

 

 

 

The IDP (and presumably English language foreign licence) is valid for one year, I believe, so beyond that, I assume failure to secure a Thai licence would be equivalent to driving without a lience.

[kwilco]

2 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

(and presumably English language foreign licence) i

no such thing.

[rattlesnake]

On 9/24/2024 at 6:09 AM, CharlieH said:

Switching lanes requires a turn or hand signal

In the event that you need to move over on a narrow road or switch lanes on a highway, using a turn signal or waving your hand is vital in preventing an accident. As Thailand is full of motorbikes, making a sudden lane switch could cause an accident if you aren’t aware of your surroundings.

 

And yet they do it all the time (turn and indicate at the same time, as if that helped in any way).

 

If only they could learn to indicate first, double-check and only once sure nobody is on the other lane, start maneuvering…

[kwilco]

22 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

..... All Thai's think they are driving a boat...      You've excelled yourself !!!  

 

 

Except you of course, remember, you know all about roads, no one else does !!! 

 

 

Fundamentally racist as in sweeping a whole nation with the generalisation that they have never got beyond 'boats'... 

 

 

 

You do come up with some amusing rubbish... 

Richard -= I don't k

 

20 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Not if your the license from your home nation is in the English Language. 

now why you bother - you're just a gainsayer and no-nothing.

[rattlesnake]

3 minutes ago, kwilco said:

no such thing.

 

I was referring to @richard_smith237's mention that an English language licence could replace an IDP (never heard of it myself).

[kwilco]

21 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Not if your the license from your home nation is in the English Language. 

Sadly you are wrong again - you seem unaware that Thailand is now signatory to the 1968 Vienna road traffic convention since 2020.

[kwilco]

Just now, rattlesnake said:

 

I was referring to @richard_smith237's mention that an Englidh language licence could replace an IDP (never heard of it myself).

@richard_smith237 has an unerring ability to get everything wrong in his relentless effort to gainsay anything I ever post - his theory is based on the concept that if he hasn't heard of it it doesn't exist. but his knowledge is severely restricted.

[kwilco]

8 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

 

And yet they do it all the time (turn and indicate at the same time, as if that helped in any way).

 

If only they could learn to indicate first, double-check and only once sure nobody is on the other lane, start maneuvering…

THe OP is about etiquette - and foreigners need to drive accordingly - making little "hard and fast" rules about Thai driving just show an inability to adapt to the driving environment here. THis may happen but if you rely on it 100% you will be very disappointed.

I know of one Thai woman whose driving instructor told her not to indicate until making the turn. Te point being if you are driving in Thailand you need to be ready for a lot of unfamiliar possibilities - Thai drivers are. A while ago driving on route A331  between Pattaya and Rayong I started slowing down and the car in front did a right turn - my passenger asked how I knew he was turning right - It was obvious by the way he was positioning himself on the road - a signal would have been nicer but if you read the road you can see,

[richard_smith237]

 

45 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

The IDP (and presumably English language foreign licence) is valid for one year, I believe, so beyond that, I assume failure to secure a Thai licence would be equivalent to driving without a lience.

 

There are a couple of facets to this: 

 

Firstly - Thailand is a signatory to the 1968 Vienna Convention - those IDP's are valid for 3 years (the 1949 IDP is valid for 1 year).

Different countries have varying information on how long a 'visitor' can drive, and that supersedes the validity of the IDP, but an added complexity there is the 'per visit' basis.

 

In Thailand, its long been discussed that the maximum length someone can drive on their Foreign licence (and IDP) is 90 days...  but I've never seen that officially mentioned anywhere - though it could be in insurance small print.

 

Another facet:  'resident visas' - if someone holds a resident Visa (they are supposed to get a Thai Driving License...  and I believe this creates the 'grey area' - I've never actually seen a time limit on using an IDP (when / if its required).

 

 

With regards to licenses in English - there exists a bilateral agreement between some nations, Thailand allows those holding Driving Licenses in English Language to drive on  their National License (I'm unsure of the time limit), and those same nations allow Thai Drivers to drive in their country. 

 

i.e. Thai's can drive in the UK for up to 12 months using their Thai license - there is no need for an IDP - and those with UK licenses can drive in Thailand (without an IDP).

https://www.angloinfo.com/how-to/thailand/transport/driving-licences

(though not an official source - this sums it up).

 

Also note: Its still of course advisable to have a Thai License here if you are a long termer.

 

Text from the Thai Motor Vehicle Act

[richard_smith237]

32 minutes ago, kwilco said:

@richard_smith237 has an unerring ability to get everything wrong in his relentless effort to gainsay anything I ever post - his theory is based on the concept that if he hasn't heard of it it doesn't exist. but his knowledge is severely restricted.

 

I don't try and gainsay... I'm just bemused by the fact that you think you are such an expert yet half of what you write is utter rubbish... 

[richard_smith237]

41 minutes ago, kwilco said:

43 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

(and presumably English language foreign licence) i

no such thing.

 

Is your home License (presumably from the UK) in Swahili ?....       Or is it in the English Language ???  

[rattlesnake]

12 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Another facet:  'resident visas' - if someone holds a resident Visa (they are supposed to get a Thai Driving License...  and I believe this creates the 'grey area' - I've never actually seen a time limit on using an IDP (when / if its required).

 

Yeah, I wonder what would actually happen in case of an accident in Thailand while holding an IDP… Would the insurance cover the driver?

[rattlesnake]

2 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

 

Yeah, I wonder what would actually happen in case of an accident in Thailand while holding an IDP… Would the insurance cover the driver?

 

I found this after a quick search:

 

One of the answers from the below thread (from 2012):

The need for an IDP to accompany the UK license has been discussed on here before and I believe more people think an IDP is not required. However you can only drive on the UK license for a period of 6 months (again some people disagree and say up to 3 months) then a Thai license is required.

It is normal here for the car to be insured, not the driver, either for any valid driver or named drivers, when a discount is given, but please read the small print on the policy as some insurance companies state that a Thai driving license is required to be covered.

Not a problem for day to day driving but if you are unlucky enough to have a major accident insurance companies have been known to use any loophole to avoid paying out.

 

 

 

[kwilco]

28 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

don't try and gainsay.

AH! I see! but isn't that gainsaying?

[richard_smith237]

25 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

Yeah, I wonder what would actually happen in case of an accident in Thailand while holding an IDP… Would the insurance cover the driver?

 

IF the Policy is not a named Policy (or you are named on the Policy) you are driving legally with a UK License (or licence in English Language) or with a License not in English accompanied by an IDP. 

 

Regarding how long you've been here - that gets more complex and there 'could' be room for insurance to 'wiggle out' IF you've been here a number of days beyond the policy allowance. 

 

Some posters in the past have noted in the past that there is a 'time limit' on the duration with which you can drive under your IDP (or without when holding an License in English) - but the waters start to get muddied; what happens if you depart Thailand and re-enter ? - does that reset the days ? etc.... 

 

 

That said: Thai Vehicle insurance companies are remarkably relaxed when it comes to all of these factors. 

 

Regardless: due to all this ambiguity - the best option for any long termer is clearly to get a Thai License - they're easy to get

(also, IF your License is in English Language you don't need an IDP to get a Thai License)

[vinny41]

8 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

IF the Policy is not a named Policy (or you are named on the Policy) you are driving legally with a UK License (or licence in English Language) or with a License not in English accompanied by an IDP. 

 

Regarding how long you've been here - that gets more complex and there 'could' be room for insurance to 'wiggle out' IF you've been here a number of days beyond the policy allowance. 

 

Some posters in the past have noted in the past that there is a 'time limit' on the duration with which you can drive under your IDP (or without when holding an License in English) - but the waters start to get muddied; what happens if you depart Thailand and re-enter - does that reset the days. 

 

With all of that said: Thai Vehicle insurance companies are remarkably relaxed when it comes to all of these factors. 

 

Due to all this ambiguity - the best option for any long termer is clearly to get a Thai License - they're easy to get.

Anyone over 70 driving on a UK license might want to think about changing to a Thai License as there are new proposals being discussed about drivers having to have vision tests" and "cognitive assessments" by a local gp or  designated medical practitioner.

Currently the process is one of self-certification by the license holder no tests required and license is valid for 3 years

https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/uk-drivers-over-70-could-30661495

 

[kwilco]

richard_smith237 - is running around like a headless chicken - he does this every time I post - there is a pause as he scours Google and cherry picks a few quotes he can plagiarise. 

This time he has quoted me and then the 1979 Thai road traffic "rule book"

However the Vienna treaty of which Thailand became a signatory supersedes and prior bilateral agreements - it also is worth noting how in order to gainsay my post he can only fixate on one point realling out pages of rubbish.

 

Bilateral agreements that conflict with provisions of a later multilateral treaty may be considered superseded or modified to the extent of the conflict. This ensures that international law remains coherent and that countries adhere to agreed-upon standards in their relations with all treaty parties.

Therefore, if the Vienna Convention on Road Traffic signed by Thailand conflicts with any provisions of prior bilateral agreements with the UK regarding road traffic regulations, the Vienna Convention would generally take precedence. Thailand would be expected to harmonize its domestic laws with the provisions of the Vienna Convention, potentially rendering conflicting bilateral agreements ineffective in those specific areas covered by the treaty.

[richard_smith237]

17 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

Anyone over 70 driving on a UK license might want to think about changing to a Thai License as there are new proposals being discussed about drivers having to have vision tests" and "cognitive assessments" by a local gp or  designated medical practitioner.

Currently the process is one of self-certification by the license holder no tests required and license is valid for 3 years

https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/uk-drivers-over-70-could-30661495

 

In the UK, anyone over 70 years old has to renew their license very 3 years, a 'medical declaration' is required - which is somewhat farcical as there are no third parties involved - those over 70 can self declare... 

 

So...  It makes sense that those over 70 have a GP sign off on approving 'clear to drive status' - however, the issue then becomes one of liability for the GP - so there are legal complexities involved. 

 

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I recall a news article where the former Mayor of Worcester had an car accident in which his wife died (both late 80's) - he'd drifted over the centre line hitting another car head on - fortunately those in the other car (a Volvo XC-90) did not suffer severe injures - However, the former Mayor is now not remembered for all the good he did, but for being the cause of a car accident in which his wife died. 

 

 

[kwilco]

25 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

having to have vision tests

there are already vision tests when you renew a Thai licence - at 70 in UK you can self certify at 70 but you will automatically lose parts of your licence - e,g, Light goods vehicles and passenger vehicles. You can keep you M/C licence but don't buy a big RV, you won't be covered. If you want to keep your full licence you already have to take a medical with a registered GP.

[kwilco]

3 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

In the UK, anyone over 70 years old has to renew their license very 3 years, a 'medical declaration' is required - which is somewhat farcical as there are no third parties involved - those over 70 can self declare... 

 

So...  It makes sense that those over 70 have a GP sign off on approving 'clear to drive status' - however, the issue then becomes one of liability for the GP - so there are legal complexities involved. 

 

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I recall a news article where the former Mayor of Worcester had an car accident in which his wife died (both late 80's) - he'd drifted over the centre line hitting another car head on - fortunately those in the other car (a Volvo XC-90) did not suffer severe injures - However, the former Mayor is now not remembered for all the good he did, but for being the cause of a car accident in which his wife died. 

 

 

so wrong again! You have made serious errors in EVERY post so far - you really should take time off and  get yourself up to speed.

[richard_smith237]

10 hours ago, kwilco said:

10 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

In the UK, anyone over 70 years old has to renew their license very 3 years, a 'medical declaration' is required - which is somewhat farcical as there are no third parties involved - those over 70 can self declare... 

 

So...  It makes sense that those over 70 have a GP sign off on approving 'clear to drive status' - however, the issue then becomes one of liability for the GP - so there are legal complexities involved. 

 

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I recall a news article where the former Mayor of Worcester had an car accident in which his wife died (both late 80's) - he'd drifted over the centre line hitting another car head on - fortunately those in the other car (a Volvo XC-90) did not suffer severe injures - However, the former Mayor is now not remembered for all the good he did, but for being the cause of a car accident in which his wife died. 

 

 

so wrong again! You have made serious errors in EVERY post so far - you really should take time off and  get yourself up to speed.

 

Such a foolish and ill-informed comment from the wannabe oracle on anything 'road related'... 

 

When applying for a License over 70, you have to 'declare' your eyesight.

You also have to have the 'approval of your GP' to continue driving - In reality that means your GP has not told you to stop driving due to health / medical reasons. 

 

 

https://www.gov.uk/renew-driving-licence-at-70

 

 

 

[richard_smith237]

11 hours ago, kwilco said:

there are already vision tests when you renew a Thai licence - at 70 in UK you can self certify at 70 but you will automatically lose parts of your licence - e,g, Light goods vehicles and passenger vehicles. You can keep you M/C licence but don't buy a big RV, you won't be covered. If you want to keep your full licence you already have to take a medical with a registered GP.

 

You have some sort of mental instability issue where you believe you are the only one capable of presenting information....

 

You accused me of being 'wrong in EVERY post' then go on to post the same thing !!....  

 

...  utterly dumb.

 

 

 

11 hours ago, kwilco said:

In the UK, anyone over 70 years old has to renew their license very 3 years, a 'medical declaration' is required - which is somewhat farcical as there are no third parties involved - those over 70 can self declare... 

 

[Bday Prang]

13 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

 

The IDP (and presumably English language foreign licence) is valid for one year, I believe, so beyond that, I assume failure to secure a Thai licence would be equivalent to driving without a lience.

My last IDP was valid for 3 years, something to do with brexit apparently,  but they are no longer issued at the post office,