EV charging outlets in condos

[jippytum]

Does your condo management provide a common area  charging point for electic vehicles? 

With the popularity of electric cars and hybrids. Can anyone give an indication as to the esimated  cost of instillation and method of debiting residents for the electricity consumed. 

 I assume different makes of car have individual connectors. How could you overcome this problem with a single charging instillation. 

[JBChiangRai]

There are specialist companies who will run this kind of service, just find a small hotel with a CS and ask them, I know of one, it's called Plux you can reach them at [email protected] 

 

It's accessed by an app and debits your bank. I'm guessing the hotel/condo gets a revenue share.

 

You can also do it on the cheap by installing a CS and fitting an after market electric meter with a breaker at security or reception and running some kind of manual system.

[JBChiangRai]

1 hour ago, jippytum said:

I assume different makes of car have individual connectors. How could you overcome this problem with a single charging instillation. 

 

They all have a standard connector, it's a non-issue.

[JBChiangRai]

I would add that I would always fit a 22Kw 3-Phase CS, never fit an 11Kw 3-Phase CS, if cost is an issue then fit a 7Kw single phase CS.

[SAFETY FIRST]

1 hour ago, jippytum said:

Does your condo management provide a common area  charging point for electic vehicles? 

I wouldn't but an EV if I lived in a condo. 

I've got a hybrid, it gets plugged in nightly from the outlet in my garage. 

 

1 hour ago, jippytum said:

I assume different makes of car have individual connectors. How could you overcome this problem with a single charging instillation. 

They have different connectors that fix to the car but the wall plug is standard. (10 or 15amp etc.). 

 

 

Edited September 25 by SAFETY FIRST

[JBChiangRai]

8 minutes ago, SAFETY FIRST said:

I wouldn't but an EV if I lived in a condo. 

I've got a hybrid, it gets plugged in nightly from the outlet in my garage. 

 

They have different connectors that fix to the car but the wall plug is standard. (10 or 15amp etc.). 

 

 

 

Connectors are all standard except very early Nissan Leaf and perhaps the odd grey import.

 

All usually have the CCS2 connector.

 

The problem of CS in Condo's isn't going to go away, at some point I expect the government to mandate it.

[motdaeng]

23 minutes ago, SAFETY FIRST said:

I've got a hybrid, it gets plugged in nightly from the outlet in my garage. 

 

i assume that you have a plug-in hybrid (PHEV) and not just a hybrid car ... 

(you can only refuel a hybrid car with gasoline, not electricity)

 

[SAFETY FIRST]

30 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

Connectors are all standard except very early Nissan Leaf and perhaps the odd grey import.

Yes, like I said they can have different connections but it's irrelevant.

 

The OP is asking about wall connections. 

 

[SAFETY FIRST]

15 minutes ago, motdaeng said:

 

i assume that you have a plug-in hybrid (PHEV) and not just a hybrid car ... 

(you can only refuel a hybrid car with gasoline, not electricity)

 

Like I said I have a hybrid. 

 

Crikey, some here are looking for a Damm argument. 

I assume it's you EV owners, always hostile, looking to defend your EV's. 

 

See ya 🥳

 

Edited September 25 by SAFETY FIRST

[JBChiangRai]

47 minutes ago, SAFETY FIRST said:

I wouldn't but an EV if I lived in a condo. 

I've got a hybrid, it gets plugged in nightly from the outlet in my garage. 

 

They have different connectors that fix to the car but the wall plug is standard. (10 or 15amp etc.). 

 

 

 

5 minutes ago, SAFETY FIRST said:

Yes, like I said they can have different connections but it's irrelevant.

 

The OP is asking about wall connections. 

 

 

Nonsense, the OP specifically asked about the problem of cars having different connectors.  It's a non-issue because every EV sold in the last few years has a standard CCS2 connector.

 

 

[SAFETY FIRST]

20 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

 

 

Nonsense, the OP specifically asked about the problem of cars having different connectors.  It's a non-issue because every EV sold in the last few years has a standard CCS2 connector.

 

 

 

 

2 hours ago, jippytum said:

How could you overcome this problem with a single charging instillation.

Put your reading glasses on mate. 

 

If the condo installs an outlet to charge specifically EV, it will provide a 15 amp outlet (or similar) 

It will be up to the user to provide the plug to fit the generic outlet. 

They won't be installing a Tesla supercharger station. 

 

 

Edited September 25 by SAFETY FIRST

[JBChiangRai]

2 hours ago, jippytum said:

I assume different makes of car have individual connectors. How could you overcome this problem with a single charging instillation. 

 

2 minutes ago, SAFETY FIRST said:

 

 

Put your reading glasses on mate. 

 

 

Two points, here is the specific quote from the OP and secondly, don't call me mate, bro or any other kind of street talk.

 

14 minutes ago, SAFETY FIRST said:

Yes, like I said they can have different connections but it's irrelevant.

 

The OP is asking about wall connections. 

 

 

[motdaeng]

13 minutes ago, SAFETY FIRST said:

Like I said I have a hybrid. 

 

Crikey, some here are looking for a Damm argument. 

I assume it's you EV owners, always hostile, looking to defend your EV's. 

 

See ya 🥳

 

 

i just want to point out that a hybrid car and a plug-in hybrid car are not the same thing ...

(it’s like comparing an orange and a banana, both are food, but they’re not the same)

 

so, if you call your car a hybrid and tell people you can charge it, you're basically showing

that you have no idea what you're talking about ... never mind!

[SAFETY FIRST]

3 minutes ago, motdaeng said:

 

i just want to point out that a hybrid car and a plug-in hybrid car are not the same thing ...

(it’s like comparing an orange and a banana, both are food, but they’re not the same)

 

so, if you call your car a hybrid and tell people you can charge it, you're basically showing

that you have no idea what you're talking about ... never mind!

It's turned into a typical AN forum <deleted> up. 

 

Some here have too much free time, just want to nitpick, reply because they are bored. 

 

Like I said, my car is a hybrid, it says it's a hybrid and most nights it gets plugged into the wall outlet. 

 

I've got a life, I'm out of here, bye 

 

[motdaeng]

just a short video for those interested in understanding the differences between hybrid, plug-in hybrid (PHEV), and electric cars (BEV) ...

 

 

 

[jippytum]

3 hours ago, JBChiangRai said:

 

They all have a standard connector, it's a non-issue.

Thank you.

Personally i do not have an electic car or hybrid car. 

I am however on the management committee of my condo and owners thinking of purchasing one  have made the enquiry. 

The post was a genuine request for information prior to our condo AGM. 

[JBChiangRai]

I think it’s very wise to be one of the first and install one, your owners and tenants are then more likely to buy an EV whereas they might consider it a barrier currently.

[OneMoreFarang]

If my condominium committee would ever bring this up, I would vote against it.

We don't need a big fire risk in a car park area which was never designed for access to fire fighting vehicles.

[jippytum]

5 hours ago, jippytum said:

Does your condo management provide a common area  charging point for electic vehicles? 

With the popularity of electric cars and hybrids. Can anyone give an indication as to the esimated  cost of instillation and method of debiting residents for the electricity consumed. 

 I assume different makes of car have individual connectors. How could you overcome this problem with a single charging instillation. 

This was genuine post to answer queries from owners in my condo. 

Thanks to the people who posted  helpful replies. 

To  others who where disrepectful to people offering genuine advice get a life

[SAFETY FIRST]

5 minutes ago, jippytum said:

This was genuine post to answer queries from owners in my condo. 

Thanks to the people who posted  helpful replies. 

To  others who where disrepectful to people offering genuine advice get a life

I agree, needless comments by those who have nothing better to do, just looking for an argument.

 

 

3 hours ago, SAFETY FIRST said:

It's turned into a typical AN forum <deleted> up

 

I've got a life, I'm out of here, bye 

 

 

 

BTW, I drive a hybrid 😂 

 

 

Edited September 25 by SAFETY FIRST

[SiSePuede419]

No.

Not unless the condo owner puts it there.

You only own the interior airspace within the walls of your condo.

 

Edited September 25 by SiSePuede419

[JBChiangRai]

55 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

If my condominium committee would ever bring this up, I would vote against it.

We don't need a big fire risk in a car park area which was never designed for access to fire fighting vehicles.

I’m surprised at your position, you know the statistics about how unlikely it is.  A far better approach is to approve it together with a fire blanket.

[jippytum]

27 minutes ago, SiSePuede419 said:

No.

Not unless the condo owner puts it there.

You only own the interior airspace within the walls of your condo.

 

what a silly comment.  The post was about condo management  possibly providing charging facilities for owners in the common area  car park. 

Edited September 25 by jippytum

[OneMoreFarang]

Just now, JBChiangRai said:

I’m surprised at your position, you know the statistics about how unlikely it is.  A far better approach is to approve it together with a fire blanket.

 

Actually, I don't know the statistics.

I know that once a lithium battery (together with the vehicle) is burning, it is basically impossible with conventional firefighting equipment to stop that fire.

In many condominiums, including the one where I live, fire trucks won't be able to drive into the building. So, fire fighters would have to enter on foot or maybe in small vehicles and try to work on such a fire. That is a real hassle.

And at least in my condominium such a fire would block any vehicles getting in or out which have to pass the floor with the burning vehicle. That's bad.

 

Summary, at least for me: No battery EVs - no problem with battery EVs.

If people want to use them in their own house or areas which are designed for that, fine. In unsuitable areas they should not exist. 

 

 

[n8sail]

I have owned an EV and lived in a Condo for more than 3.5 years now.  In the beginning, they provided 15amp standard outlets to charge with (Max 3.5kw, "granny charger", you provide the charger, which normally comes with the car).  Each outlet had its own meter,  and the security guards would check and record power before and after you were done with the plug, then Juristic office would send you a bill each month.  At that time, very few EVs, so I basically just left my 'granny charger' there all the time.  I lived for 6 months with only this charger, driving 100-150km every work day.  No problem at all.  7 baht/kwh, so they made money on it.

I asked Juristic if I could install the 7.5kw permanently mounted charger that came free with the vehicle at one of the spots.  They said no.   No biggie, I installed the charger at work, BOI zone, company charges me 4baht/kwh, so they also make money.  I almost exclusively use this now as it is so incredibly cheap.

 

A few months ago the Condo installed Pupa Plugs from PEA, which are smart plugs with 15amp service, no app needed.  You simply scan QR code, enter phone number, input OTP they text to you, add money with QR code scan, tell how much money you want to use (7 baht/kwh), plug in your 'granny charger', and it all starts.  Webpage stays open on phone and tells you status and lets you stop charging if you want at any time.  Takes longer than just plugging in, but pretty easy compared to some other chargers, and NO STUPID APPS.   I would recommend this to any Condo Juristic office as it is easy, security guards have no extra work, no extra billing needed, all automatic, and just need the Pupa Plug box, which is very simple to install.  This is SLOW charging, though, have to leave overnight for any meaningful battery gains, which is totally fine for most usage.

 

https://pupa.pea.co.th/

Note that our parking is covered, but outside the building, not underneath.  A firetruck could drive right up to a burning car.

Also note that burning cars from slow 'granny' chargers like this would be borderline non-existent.  Your wife/girlfriend/kik's hairdryer probably uses more power.  I'd be much more worried about 20kw+ chargers which stress the battery/BMS a bit more.

[Ralf001]

5 hours ago, SAFETY FIRST said:

 

 

Like I said, my car is a hybrid, it says it's a hybrid and most nights it gets plugged into the wall outlet. 

 

I've got a life, I'm out of here, bye 

 

 

Hybrids do not plug in to charge, thats done by the internal combustion engine and sometimes regenerative braking.

 

PHEV do plug in.

[KhunLA]

37 minutes ago, Ralf001 said:

 

Hybrids do not plug in to charge, thats done by the internal combustion engine and sometimes regenerative braking.

 

PHEV do plug in.

Actually they do ... though some will define and call them differently.

 

PHEV in my dictionary is definitely a hybrid, since it can operate on two different systems.  

 

 

HEV ... not so much, in my mind, as it can not operate on it's own, just the battery, well, not very far, since so small.

 

#2 ... combining 2 things

 

 

Edited September 25 by KhunLA

[SAFETY FIRST]

1 hour ago, Ralf001 said:

 

Hybrids do not plug in to charge, thats done by the internal combustion engine and sometimes regenerative braking.

 

PHEV do plug in.

Lots of confusion here.

I have a 2018 S350d hybrid 

The current model is also hybrid. 

 

 

Edited September 25 by SAFETY FIRST

[Ralf001]

Just now, SAFETY FIRST said:

Lots of confusion, I have a 2018 S350d hybrid 

 

 

there is no  confusion.

 

It is you choosing to ignore the "plug in"  part which makes it a PHEV

[SAFETY FIRST]

2 minutes ago, Ralf001 said:

 

there is no  confusion.

 

It is you choosing to ignore the "plug in"  part which makes it a PHEV

I see the word hybrid but it's not a hybrid. 

 

OK I understand.