At The UN Russia Warns the West Against Provoking a Nuclear Power Amid Ukraine Conflict

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In a stern message to the global community, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov warned Western nations not to attempt to achieve victory against a nuclear-armed Russia, signaling heightened tensions amid the ongoing war in Ukraine.

 

Speaking at the United Nations General Assembly on Saturday, Lavrov condemned what he described as Western interference in Ukraine and the broader global conflict. His remarks came just days after Russian President Vladimir Putin hinted at adjustments to Russia’s nuclear posture.

 

Lavrov was unable to get to Switzerland due to the EU ban on his plane.  As soon as he started speaking on video, ambassadors and other diplomats left the hall as a sign of support for Ukraine. Watch:

Rxssian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov was unable to get to Switzerland due to the EU ban on his plane. As soon as he started speaking on video, ambassadors and other diplomats left the hall as a sign of support for #Ukraine.

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— Тетяна Denford 🇺🇦🔱 (@TetyanaUkrainka) March 2, 2023

 

Lavrov accused the West of using Ukraine as a means to undermine Russia strategically, saying, “The West is using Ukraine to defeat Russia, and preparing Europe to throw itself into this suicidal escapade.” He stressed the futility and danger of trying to engage in direct conflict with a nuclear power, adding, “I’m not going to talk here about the senselessness and the danger of the very idea of trying to fight to victory with a nuclear power, which is what Russia is.”

 

The specter of nuclear threats has loomed over the Ukraine conflict since its inception in February 2022. Shortly before Russia’s invasion, President Putin emphasized his country’s nuclear strength, declaring that Russia was “one of the most powerful nuclear states” and placing its nuclear forces on high alert soon after. Since then, the nuclear rhetoric from Moscow has fluctuated, raising concerns in the international community.

 

Just three days before Lavrov’s speech, Putin issued a new warning, stating that Russia would consider any attack by a nation supported by a nuclear-armed country as a joint assault. While Putin did not explicitly mention a nuclear response, he hinted that Russia could resort to nuclear weapons if a conventional attack posed a “critical threat to our sovereignty.”

 

The United States and European Union quickly criticized Putin’s statements as “irresponsible.” Many viewed Putin’s remarks as a message to the West, particularly the U.S., which has provided substantial military aid to Ukraine. The Biden administration recently announced an additional $2.7 billion in military support for Ukraine, though it stopped short of authorizing long-range weapons capable of striking deep into Russian territory, something Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy has long sought.

 

During Lavrov’s UN address, no official response came from the U.S., which had a junior diplomat present during his speech. However, Lavrov’s comments did underscore the continued escalation in rhetoric and military action. Despite Western aid, Russia has made slow but steady gains in eastern Ukraine. At the same time, Ukraine has launched missile and drone strikes on Russian territory, even managing to briefly send troops across the border in a bold incursion last month.

 

Zelenskyy has consistently called for peace, advocating for what he describes as a peace formula that would expel Russian forces from Ukraine, hold war criminals accountable, and secure the release of prisoners of war. Lavrov, however, dismissed Zelenskyy’s peace proposal as a “doomed ultimatum,” casting doubt on the prospects for a diplomatic resolution in the near future.

 

While Western nations continue to back Ukraine, other countries like Brazil and China have begun promoting a peace plan that seeks to bring both sides to the negotiating table without further escalation. This proposal has garnered the support of a dozen countries, primarily in Africa and Latin America, which have joined a coalition of “friends for peace” in Ukraine.

 

Lavrov acknowledged this initiative, stating at a press conference on Saturday that Russia would be open to providing advice and assistance to the group, though he emphasized that any solution must be based on “realities” rather than “abstract conversations.”

 

At the core of Russia’s stance is the belief that the conflict stems from deeper issues, including what Moscow claims is the repression of Russian-speaking populations in eastern Ukraine and NATO’s expansion into Eastern Europe, which Russia views as a threat to its security. Lavrov reiterated that addressing these "root causes" is crucial to resolving the conflict.

 

As the war grinds on into its third year, the danger of further escalation, including the use of nuclear weapons, remains a significant concern for the international community. With diplomatic efforts still struggling to gain traction, the world watches closely as the conflict shows little sign of abating.

 

Based on a report from: The Guardian 2024-09-30

 

 

 

[wombat]

The hypocrisy hidden in plain site while the things that go bang are supplied by proxy, prodding Vlad to use a nuke so the West can throw its hands up in horror saying ook see we told you so it wasn't us is reprehensible.

[nobodysfriend]

3 hours ago, Social Media said:

President Putin emphasized his country’s nuclear strength, declaring that Russia was “one of the most powerful nuclear states” and placing its nuclear forces on high alert soon after.

 

Putin likes to scare off the european leaders by threatening the use of nukes .

He won't stop doing this as long as nobody makes it clear to him that ANY nuclear strike by Russia will be answered by a nuclear strike against Russia itself .

The use of nuclear bombs will make him a loser in the end .

[Tug]

A sign of weakness putin cannot conquer Ukraine so he’s resorting to threatening Europe and the USA he has to know he and the Russian people will be on the losing end of that…..I hope the Russians take care of their (problem) perhaps a flying lesson without benefit of an aircraft.I wish they would Russia seemed to be making progress before putin started this mess!

[Srikcir]

Come on Russians, there must be at least one window open in the Kremlin.

[Gweiloman]

2 hours ago, Tug said:

A sign of weakness putin cannot conquer Ukraine so he’s resorting to threatening Europe and the USA he has to know he and the Russian people will be on the losing end of that…..I hope the Russians take care of their (problem) perhaps a flying lesson without benefit of an aircraft.I wish they would Russia seemed to be making progress before putin started this mess!

Actually, Russia has been incredibly strong beyond anybody’s expectations. The full force of NATO with the exception of mass deployment of NATO troops has been thrown at Russia and yet, the Russians are still advancing on a daily basis. The majority of western arms have proven impotent against a peer adversary.

 

This is now just a contest of the west against the rest and I have no doubt who will emerge victorious.

[Watawattana]

1 hour ago, Gweiloman said:

The full force of NATO with the exception of mass deployment of NATO troops has been thrown at Russia and yet, the Russians are still advancing on a daily basis. The majority of western arms have proven impotent against a peer adversary.

Not sure any of this is wholly true.  Just one example is that Ukraine's usage of some NATO weapons remains restricted, so it's hardly the 'full force of NATO', or indeed even close to being so.

[candide]

It seems that Putin's war is not happening in the way he expected! 😆

[black tabby12345]

Russia Warns the West Against Provoking a Nuclear Power...

 

 

Another  bull*hit  from the Poo-tin's  old dog.

These pea brains better learn such a bluff

no longer  works.

 

Edited September 30 by black tabby12345

[RayC]

9 hours ago, Gweiloman said:

Actually, Russia has been incredibly strong beyond anybody’s expectations. The full force of NATO with the exception of mass deployment of NATO troops has been thrown at Russia and yet, the Russians are still advancing on a daily basis. The majority of western arms have proven impotent against a peer adversary.

 

This is now just a contest of the west against the rest and I have no doubt who will emerge victorious.

 

How has the "full force of NATO ... been thrown at Russia ..", when Ukraine is not allowed to use NATO manufactured weapons to strike at targets inside Russia?

 

If only NATO's full force has been deployed at the outset, then this war might be over and the despot in the Kremlin deposed. 

[The Old Bull]

16 hours ago, Tug said:

A sign of weakness putin cannot conquer Ukraine so he’s resorting to threatening Europe and the USA he has to know he and the Russian people will be on the losing end of that…..I hope the Russians take care of their (problem) perhaps a flying lesson without benefit of an aircraft.I wish they would Russia seemed to be making progress before putin started this mess!

Nonsense, Russia could steam roller over Ukraine any time they chose. Their problem is that a number of pro Russian Ukrainians would be impacted. 

[RuamRudy]

1 hour ago, The Old Bull said:

Nonsense, Russia could steam roller over Ukraine any time they chose. Their problem is that a number of pro Russian Ukrainians would be impacted. 

 

Is this satire? Are you suggesting that Putin is willing to allow upwards of 1000 Russian youths per day to be slaughtered in order to avoid impacting the tiny minority of Ukrainians that actually support Russia? 

[Gweiloman]

23 hours ago, Watawattana said:

Not sure any of this is wholly true.  Just one example is that Ukraine's usage of some NATO weapons remains restricted, so it's hardly the 'full force of NATO', or indeed even close to being so.

 

15 hours ago, RayC said:

 

How has the "full force of NATO ... been thrown at Russia ..", when Ukraine is not allowed to use NATO manufactured weapons to strike at targets inside Russia?

 

If only NATO's full force has been deployed at the outset, then this war might be over and the despot in the Kremlin deposed. 

You have bought into the propaganda and under the illusion that this is a war between Russia and Ukraine. In reality, this is a war between NATO and Russia with Ukraine being used as a proxy.
 

Russia has been holding back, keeping arms and troops in reserve, in case NATO troops officially enters the war. It’s not that Ukraine is not allowed to use long range weapons to strike deep inside Russia, it’s that NATO is concerned about the consequences. They have been taken completely by surprise at the strength of the army and economy, because they have been drinking their own kool aid. What Ukraine wants or not has no bearing whatsoever.

[Srikcir]

On 9/30/2024 at 9:23 AM, Gweiloman said:

yet, the Russians are still advancing on a daily basis.

Immediately followed by a "tactical retreat" for the 10% of troops remaining alive.

[RayC]

3 hours ago, Gweiloman said:

 

You have bought into the propaganda and under the illusion that this is a war between Russia and Ukraine. In reality, this is a war between NATO and Russia with Ukraine being used as a proxy.

 

I have brought into nothing. The facts speak for themselves: Russia invaded Ukraine. QED.

 

The implication that Russia was goaded into this war by 'The West'/the US/ the EU/ NATO - add/delete as necessary to fit the circumstances - is nothing but a conspiratorial fallacy concocted by those who seek to excuse Putin's actions.

 

3 hours ago, Gweiloman said:

 

Russia has been holding back, keeping arms and troops in reserve, in case NATO troops officially enters the war.

 

I have no idea whether this is true and I suspect that you don't either.

 

3 hours ago, Gweiloman said:

It’s not that Ukraine is not allowed to use long range weapons to strike deep inside Russia, it’s that NATO is concerned about the consequences

 

Whatever the reason, it is a fact. Your comment is superfluous and irrelevant.

 

3 hours ago, Gweiloman said:

 

They have been taken completely by surprise at the strength of the army and economy, because they have been drinking their own kool aid. What Ukraine wants or not has no bearing whatsoever.

 

What was that you were saying about propaganda?

 

[Watawattana]

11 hours ago, Gweiloman said:

 

You have bought into the propaganda and under the illusion that this is a war between Russia and Ukraine. In reality, this is a war between NATO and Russia with Ukraine being used as a proxy.
 

Russia has been holding back, keeping arms and troops in reserve, in case NATO troops officially enters the war. It’s not that Ukraine is not allowed to use long range weapons to strike deep inside Russia, it’s that NATO is concerned about the consequences. They have been taken completely by surprise at the strength of the army and economy, because they have been drinking their own kool aid. What Ukraine wants or not has no bearing whatsoever.

Really?  Iran? North Korea?  Seems you are unaware of all the proxies in this. Yes, you are aware of some. Just not all. 

[Gweiloman]

On 10/1/2024 at 10:31 AM, Srikcir said:

Immediately followed by a "tactical retreat" for the 10% of troops remaining alive.

Don’t know about Russians retreating but Ukrainians, for sure 

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/10/02/europe/vuhledar-russia-ukraine-war-capture-intl/index.html

 

If even CNN is reporting on the fall of Ukrainian towns, I’d imagine the real situation must be worse.

 

[Gweiloman]

On 10/1/2024 at 9:33 PM, Watawattana said:

Really?  Iran? North Korea?  Seems you are unaware of all the proxies in this. Yes, you are aware of some. Just not all. 

Would like to respond but don’t understand the point you are trying to make. What does Iran and NK has to do with this conflict?

[Watawattana]

1 hour ago, Gweiloman said:

Would like to respond but don’t understand the point you are trying to make. What does Iran and NK has to do with this conflict?

Fair question.  It is weapon supply, similar to how some western countries are supporting Ukraine.  Could have mentioned China too (https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2024/04/29/who-is-supplying-russias-arms-industry - full story behind a pay-wall but hope you'll get the drift).  Some links to stories below, including some from Al Jazeera for balance.

 

https://www.defense.gov/News/News-Stories/Article/Article/3901774/iran-gives-russia-short-range-missiles-while-us-partners-expect-to-keep-bolster/#:~:text=Cooperation Services Launch-,Iran Gives Russia Short-Range Missiles%2C While U.S.%2C Partners,Keep Bolstering Ukrainian Air Defense&text=The United States has confirmed,range ballistic missiles to Russia.

 

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1944801589321570

 

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/9/11/is-iran-supplying-ballistic-missiles-to-russia-for-the-ukraine-war

 

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/9/9/russia-brands-iran-important-partner-amid-reports-of-missile-supplies

 

https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-iran-ballistic-missiles-supply-ukraine/33112977.html

 

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/2/28/n-korea-sent-russia-millions-of-munitions-in-exchange-for-food-says-seoul

 

 

[Gweiloman]

1 hour ago, Watawattana said:

Fair question.  It is weapon supply, similar to how some western countries are supporting Ukraine.  Could have mentioned China too (https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2024/04/29/who-is-supplying-russias-arms-industry - full story behind a pay-wall but hope you'll get the drift).  Some links to stories below, including some from Al Jazeera for balance.

 

https://www.defense.gov/News/News-Stories/Article/Article/3901774/iran-gives-russia-short-range-missiles-while-us-partners-expect-to-keep-bolster/#:~:text=Cooperation Services Launch-,Iran Gives Russia Short-Range Missiles%2C While U.S.%2C Partners,Keep Bolstering Ukrainian Air Defense&text=The United States has confirmed,range ballistic missiles to Russia.

 

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1944801589321570

 

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/9/11/is-iran-supplying-ballistic-missiles-to-russia-for-the-ukraine-war

 

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/9/9/russia-brands-iran-important-partner-amid-reports-of-missile-supplies

 

https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-iran-ballistic-missiles-supply-ukraine/33112977.html

 

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/2/28/n-korea-sent-russia-millions-of-munitions-in-exchange-for-food-says-seoul

 

 

Thanks for the links but that wasn’t what i meant by proxy war. What I meant is that this is a conflict between the US and Russia, using Ukraine as a proxy to do the dirty work for them. If American soldiers get killed, there would be a price to pay for the administration but since Ukrainians are not Americans, it’s fine for them to fight America’s war to the last Ukrainian, as stated by Lindsey Graham. Seems like this view is also shared by many posters on this forum.

[Watawattana]

3 hours ago, Gweiloman said:

Thanks for the links but that wasn’t what i meant by proxy war. What I meant is that this is a conflict between the US and Russia, using Ukraine as a proxy to do the dirty work for them. If American soldiers get killed, there would be a price to pay for the administration but since Ukrainians are not Americans, it’s fine for them to fight America’s war to the last Ukrainian, as stated by Lindsey Graham. Seems like this view is also shared by many posters on this forum.

Yeah, get that.  But I still add N Korea, China and Iran into the Russian side of this, and of course UK, Germany and a plethora of others on the US side.

[3NUMBAS]

usual sabre rattling cos the y are having trouble subdugating ukr

bully boys putin