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[Celsius]

39 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

Had my 1997 Nissan Big-M pickup for 14 years, paid 150kbht ...... now worth 50kbht.

So less than 10kbht depreciation per year.

 

@KhunLA How much do you think it's price will plummet next year?

 

Ptetty good....

 

Vs Atto3 that loses 500,000 baht a year apparently 

[KhunLA]

47 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

Had my 1997 Nissan Big-M pickup for 14 years, paid 150kbht ...... now worth 50kbht.

So less than 10kbht depreciation per year.

 

@KhunLA How much do you think it's price will plummet next year?

That's a keeper as a spare, and shopping large items.   Only reason we kept our Honda Wave 125i so long, as only drove it to put air in the tires and top it up.   But, JIC the car was down, still have transport.

 

And the Neta, is used, and possibly up to 75k kms on it, made 2022.

[Ralf001]

57 minutes ago, Henryford said:

Wait till they try to sell. You couldn't give a Buy You Die EV away.

I'll take one.

[NoDisplayName]

1 hour ago, tomazbodner said:

I'm quite happy that prices are dropping so hopefully these loud pickups leaving a mile of black smoke behind will one day be a thing of the past. Now seeing a nearly silent bus or car driving past is a good thing, at least in the city, and I hope this continues. Though only part of the price drop is increase in production and with that lowering prices of components, especially battery cost which in past 3 years dropped about 70%, the other part are government subsidies. And those who bought BYD cars before price drop - you got free charging for a year or 2, so while you paid more, you're now driving around for free.

 

Interesting was the article (in non-English news) about NEO car... Apparently it allows the whole battery kit to be removed and replaced with another within 3 minutes. You can buy a car with or without battery - with a latter option is to lease battery. Kind of like Coway water filter or air cleaner - you pay monthly rent on battery which NEO would replace if anything goes wrong, and it's 20k EUR cheaper purchase price that way. It is an expensive car at 90k EUR in Germany, though. But just that part - of replacing the whole 150 kWh battery pack within 3 minutes sounds interesting. That's the main beef some posters have with electric cars...

 

 

 

Nio is partnering with Sinopec to install battery swap stations at Sinopec petro stations throughout China.

 

Other YouTube video shows a Nio battery swap station in Netherlands, so these vehicles meet Europa safety standards.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yU5D4lvsnww&ab_channel=NIONederland

 

Would need to get a similar partnership set up with PTT here.

 

 

Edited September 30 by NoDisplayName

[JBChiangRai]

1 hour ago, Henryford said:

Wait till they try to sell. You couldn't give a Buy You Die EV away.

That is patently nonsense.  

[connda]

ICE ICE Baby. 

 

[connda]

2 hours ago, BritManToo said:

310kbht for a NETA PLUS 

If that was in a showroom near me, I'd probably buy it.

If I go electric, that will be my price range.  Perfect. Get's ya from point A to point B?  Good enough!

[KhunLA]

19 minutes ago, connda said:

If I go electric, that will be my price range.  Perfect. Get's ya from point A to point B?  Good enough!

Easy Rider ... 😎

 

 

One the subject of scooters, they've also come down.  Not price war, as actually MSRP is up, but govt incentive of ~18,000, on DECO make/models at least.

 

Ours was (2021)  ฿73,900

Upgraded now    ฿63,640 (82,900 - 19,000+)

 

Edited September 30 by KhunLA

[tomazbodner]

1 hour ago, NoDisplayName said:

 

Nio is partnering with Sinopec to install battery swap stations at Sinopec petro stations throughout China.

 

Other YouTube video shows a Nio battery swap station in Netherlands, so these vehicles meet Europa safety standards.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yU5D4lvsnww&ab_channel=NIONederland

 

Would need to get a similar partnership set up with PTT here.

 

 

It's NIO not NEO. Thank you. And yes, the article was about the same - apparently NIO is opening a factory in Hungary to build these battery exchange stations.

[impulse]

Off topic, I know.  I was at an Ice Cream Machinery trade show in China this week, and this one piqued my interest.  Not a model that I'd go for, but the concept is of interest.  Portable electricity, to run an ice cream freezer, a coffee truck, etc.  Probably not enough portable juice to run a pizza truck all day, but...

 

I spoke to the guy (in broken English) and he said the truck will power the freezer all day, with plenty of power to cross town to get home at the end of the day.  I can see this genre changing the street vendor landscape.  His company (Hiron) made the freezers, not the truck, which is a Wuling Brand.  (Pretty good history)  It's one of their micro-vans.  I'd hope they also make bigger platforms.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited September 30 by impulse

[Korat Kiwi]

I rode in a Neo X when I was last in Vientiane.  Very impressive. 

 

 

They also had EV tuktuks! 

 

 

 

Edited September 30 by Korat Kiwi

[HighPriority]

2 hours ago, PingRoundTheWorld said:

And that's before you account for the fact that most electricity that charges EV comes from fossil fuels, so you're not really significantly helping pollution either. The only way it might be greener is if you have a solar/wind/etc charger and used it instead of the grid - which owners don't do.

Do yourself a favor and read this Australian article about ev V ice emissions/charging.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-05-27/comparing-electric-cars-and-petrol-cars/103746132?utm_source=abc_news_app&utm_medium=content_shared&utm_campaign=abc_news_app&utm_content=link

 

Your current beliefs are real cool but not even remotely factual.

[Ralf001]

2 hours ago, JBChiangRai said:

That is patently nonsense.  

 

not sold... i wonder why !

[JBChiangRai]

21 minutes ago, Ralf001 said:

 

not sold... i wonder why !

there are only 12 available for sale, that should tell you something!

[vinny41]

1 hour ago, JBChiangRai said:

there are only 12 available for sale, that should tell you something!

Following the huge price reduction of B340K tents are cautious about buying EV's

 

The price cuts of up to 340,000 baht ($9,460) lower the resale value for current owners. "I was told the price would go up in two months, after the government subsidy expired. Usually, insurance covers 80% of the new car value, and it depreciates 10% per year, but the discount pushes it even lower," said Darakorn, who bought an Atto in January 2023, just a month after BYD launched in Thailand.

With a bank loan and a government subsidy of 100,000 baht, the SUV had cost him 1.19 million baht. Now even the newest Atto models released early this year are priced under 1 million baht. "If you announced then that the price would drop 340,000 baht a year later, do you think anyone would have bought your cars at all?" he said.

Darakorn organized other BYD owners on Facebook to explore the possibility of a class-action lawsuit. Complaints have reached the Consumer Protection Board, which was ordered by a cabinet minister to investigate the mounting discounts offered by not only BYD but also its competitors.

https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Automobiles/Electric-vehicles/EV-price-war-angers-Thai-BYD-owners-as-buyers-wait-for-more-cuts

[connda]

Given that EVs are essentially a battery on wheels with that battery having been one of the primary cost of an EV, my guess is that EV prices will continue to trend lower.  Not a bad thing if it brings them down to a reasonable price.

[ukrules]

6 hours ago, KhunLA said:

I feel sorry for the folks still holding on to their ICEV, as prices will plummet next year.  Especially after those BEV pick ups hit the market.

 

I bought a Vios about 10 years ago, cost me 600k baht.

Zero problems on it over the full 10 years, only did about 22,000 km total, couple of scratches, good for a few more years I think

When I'm done with it I'll pop down to Toyota and order a new one then just toss the old one out like the disposable tool it is.

[JBChiangRai]

41 minutes ago, connda said:

Given that EVs are essentially a battery on wheels with that battery having been one of the primary cost of an EV, my guess is that EV prices will continue to trend lower.  Not a bad thing if it brings them down to a reasonable price.

I am getting worried about you, finally, you posted something, sensible, are you feeling right? What caused this latest bout of sanity?

[Celsius]

30 minutes ago, ukrules said:

 

I bought a Vios about 10 years ago, cost me 600k baht.

Zero problems on it over the full 10 years, only did about 22,000 km total, couple of scratches, good for a few more years I think

When I'm done with it I'll pop down to Toyota and order a new one then just toss the old one out like the disposable tool it is.

 

So, you are buying a Toyota, not China Electric?

[KhunLA]

53 minutes ago, ukrules said:

 

I bought a Vios about 10 years ago, cost me 600k baht.

Zero problems on it over the full 10 years, only did about 22,000 km total, couple of scratches, good for a few more years I think

When I'm done with it I'll pop down to Toyota and order a new one then just toss the old one out like the disposable tool it is.

A new Yaris (vios) cost about 700k now .. no thanks.

 

You only got 22k kms on ... I'd keep it till it died.  I do 22k in one year.  That's too much time in a car for me, as I need more comfort than the Yaris/vios would provide.   Had 2 of them .. I'm not going backwards.

Edited September 30 by KhunLA

[ElwoodP]

Troll post removed.

Please be polite and civil to other forum members.

[tomazbodner]

4 hours ago, Ralf001 said:

 

not sold... i wonder why !

Have you seen it on the inside? That alone is enough for me to stay away from ATTO3. Now BYD Seal on the other hand...

[DUNROAMIN]

19 hours ago, JBChiangRai said:

I don’t believe you do feel sorry, and why would you?

 

EV owners in Thailand are delighted with their purchase.

Maybe for now their happy. Wait till they try to sell it after a few years, or have a minor accident ant the insurance company writes it off due to battery being compromised.

[JBChiangRai]

44 minutes ago, DUNROAMIN said:

Maybe for now their happy. Wait till they try to sell it after a few years, or have a minor accident ant the insurance company writes it off due to battery being compromised.

I have sold 2 EV’s already, one lost 10% depreciation in 2 years, the other 20%.
 

They depreciate no different to ICE, perhaps slightly better.

[vinny41]

33 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

I have sold 2 EV’s already, one lost 10% depreciation in 2 years, the other 20%.
 

They depreciate no different to ICE, perhaps slightly better.

Not True when you take into account the depreciation due to price reductions

Take 2 MG ZS EV owners for example 

1 person  purchased  MG ZS EV in 2020 4 years ago purchase price new B1,190,000

2 person purchased  MG ZS EV in 2024 purchase price B599,000

Now person 1 has seen a whopping price reduction of B591,000 before you take into account the age and condition of their vehicle 

If both owners were to sell tomorrow person 1 is going to see huge depreciation due to price reduction compared to person 2

[Celsius]

8 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

Not True when you take into account the depreciation due to price reductions

Take 2 MG ZS EV owners for example 

1 person  purchased  MG ZS EV in 2020 4 years ago purchase price new B1,190,000

2 person purchased  MG ZS EV in 2024 purchase price B599,000

Now person 1 has seen a whopping price reduction of B591,000 before you take into account the age and condition of their vehicle 

If both owners were to sell tomorrow person 1 is going to see huge depreciation due to price reduction compared to person 2

 

Of course that post was a total lie.

 

Who buys and sells cars every year? Of course, won't even mention the model that supposedly depreciated only 10% in 2 years.

Edited October 1 by Celsius

[motdaeng]

 

- there are over 40 million ev owners worldwide... in norway, 94% of new cars in august 2024 were electric ... who are you calling stupid?

- chinese electric cars are receiving good to excellent reviews globally... who are you calling stupid?

- even established automakers have had to admit they can't compete with chinese electric cars... who are you calling stupid?

 

why do you think you're so smart and clever that you feel the need to call ev owners stupid?

please, tell us what makes you so intelligent ...

 

btw, we all know electric cars aren’t for everyone ... you do not need to buy one 

[Celsius]

4 minutes ago, motdaeng said:

- there are over 40 million ev owners worldwide... in norway, 94% of new cars in august 2024 were electric ... who are you calling stupid?

 

Norwegians?

[motdaeng]

32 minutes ago, Celsius said:

Of course that post was a total lie.

Who buys and sells cars every year? Of course, won't even mention the model that supposedly depreciated only 10% in 2 years.

 

are you sure about that? if you had followed the thread, you'd know who the real liar is...

calling other members a liar without any reason just reveals who and what you truly are...

Edited October 1 by motdaeng

[Patong2021]

21 hours ago, Celsius said:

 

A bit risky considering that electronic components start failing after a year,

 

But for sure it seems to be buyers market. However, I  would wait. The new NetaX is selling at 740k and it seems to beat Atto3 in just about every department. I expect even more price cuts especially if Chinese cars start popping up everywhere like Thai coffee shops.

 

My Mercedes gasoline powered vehicle started having electrical problems  in year 2 at 5,000km. The continued  until I  got rid of the vehicle.  My replacement gasoline powered BMW was in need of 150,000 baht worth of mechanical and electrical work in year 4 at 12,000 km.  

 

In the early days of automobiles, the horse was still faster and more affordable and reliable than automobiles. Electric vehicles are at he start of their industry life and to date have delivered far more reliability and sustainability than than the conventional automobiles did in their prime of life from 1950-2000.  The year on year  advances of electric vehicle technology  are much greater than what was seen and  still seen with conventional vehicles.  Electric vehicles  may not be appropriate as a replacement for 100% of the conventional market, but if they can be used to replace 50-75% in the next decade, we will have made a tremendous impact in respect to air pollution and carbon emissions.