How will this bill demand Sanctuary Cities cooperate with the ruling if passed?

[riclag]

The Be Gone Act.
 

15,000 illegal migrants convicted of sex assault are roaming US — and a new bill would force ICE to hunt them down and deport them!

https://nypost.com/2024/10/01/us-news/be-gone-act-would-force-deportation-of-migrant-sex-offenders/

 

 

[riclag]

4 minutes ago, riclag said:

The Be Gone Act.
 

15,000 illegal migrants convicted of sex assault are roaming US — and a new bill would force ICE to hunt them down and deport them!

https://nypost.com/2024/10/01/us-news/be-gone-act-would-force-deportation-of-migrant-sex-offenders/

 

 

Meanwhile, ICE says a major hindrance to its efforts to detain illegal migrants convicted of crimes has been sanctuary laws preventing local jurisdictions from communicating with the agency’s officers.

I hope the dogooders, for lack of better  words, allow ICE to do their jobs to protect The American Citizens , if” dems pass this  along and is enacted as law! 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

25 minutes ago, riclag said:

15,000 illegal migrants convicted of sex assault are roaming US — and a new bill would force ICE to hunt them down and deport them!

 

Why don't you try not continuing to repeat the same already debunked nonsense claims involving stats that don't represent what you and others have wrongly claimed them to represent:

 

Fact check: To attack Harris, Trump falsely describes new stats on immigrants and homicide

September 29, 2024

 

"Washington (CNN)  — Former President Donald Trump is wildly distorting new statistics on immigration and crime to attack Vice President Kamala Harris.

 

Trump falsely claimed Friday and Saturday that the statistics are specifically about criminal offenders who entered the US during the Biden-Harris administration; in reality, the figures are about offenders who entered the US over multiple decades, including during the Trump administration. And Trump falsely claimed that the statistics are specifically about people who are now living freely in the US; the figures actually include people who are currently in jails and prisons serving criminal sentences." [emphasis added]

...

The statistics have been deployed by Trump and various Republican lawmakers and right-wing commentators as alarming evidence of Harris’ supposed mismanagement of immigration policy. But in addition to exaggerating her role on the file — she was never actually “border czar” — much of the chatter has inaccurately described what the statistics show.

 

https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/29/politics/fact-check-trump-harris-immigrants-homicide/index.html

 

 

Edited yesterday at 12:26 PM by TallGuyJohninBKK

[candide]

8 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

Why don't you try not continuing to repeat the same already debunked nonsense claims:

 

Fact check: To attack Harris, Trump falsely describes new stats on immigrants and homicide

September 29, 2024

 

"Washington (CNN)  — Former President Donald Trump is wildly distorting new statistics on immigration and crime to attack Vice President Kamala Harris.

 

Trump falsely claimed Friday and Saturday that the statistics are specifically about criminal offenders who entered the US during the Biden-Harris administration; in reality, the figures are about offenders who entered the US over multiple decades, including during the Trump administration. And Trump falsely claimed that the statistics are specifically about people who are now living freely in the US; the figures actually include people who are currently in jails and prisons serving criminal sentences." [emphasis added]

...

The statistics have been deployed by Trump and various Republican lawmakers and right-wing commentators as alarming evidence of Harris’ supposed mismanagement of immigration policy. But in addition to exaggerating her role on the file — she was never actually “border czar” — much of the chatter has inaccurately described what the statistics show.

 

https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/29/politics/fact-check-trump-harris-immigrants-homicide/index.html

 

 

That's a MAGA pattern. Repeat debunked claims in the hope they will become true! 😀

[Cameroni]

28 minutes ago, riclag said:

The Be Gone Act.
 

15,000 illegal migrants convicted of sex assault are roaming US — and a new bill would force ICE to hunt them down and deport them!

https://nypost.com/2024/10/01/us-news/be-gone-act-would-force-deportation-of-migrant-sex-offenders/

 

 

 

America shows Europe the way. Great article.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

And more of the same documenting that the above cited figures are nonsense. Just because the cited people are not in ICE custody doesn't mean they at large in society, since the ICE list counts people who in fact are held in custody elsewhere -- making the Trump and Co.'s claims about the statistics bogus.

Trump, Vance Wrong About ‘Illegal Immigrant Murderers’

September 30, 2024

...

In its statement, the Department of Homeland Security said data in Lechleitner’s letter had been “misinterpreted.”

 

“The data goes back decades; it includes individuals who entered the country over the past 40 years or more, the vast majority of whose custody determination was made long before this Administration,” the statement said. “It also includes many who are under the jurisdiction or currently incarcerated by federal, state or local law enforcement partners.”

...

Similarly, Michelle Mittelstadt, director of communications for the nonpartisan Migration Policy Institute, told us that people have been on the non-detained docket “for decades.”

“There is a lot of confusion around the non-detained docket,” including “who is on it and how long they’ve been on it,” Mittelstadt said in an email. “This docket has grown under multiple administrations, including the Trump one. Significant numbers of people on the docket have been on it for decades.”

 

https://www.factcheck.org/2024/09/trump-vance-wrong-about-illegal-immigrant-murderers/

 

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

As for so-called sanctuary cities and their supposed correlation with crime rates:

 

"In an August 2016 study of roughly 80 jurisdictions, University of California at Riverside and Highline College researchers used FBI city-level crime data to see how violent and property crime rates changed after sanctuary policies were adopted. Then they compared each sanctuary city to a similarly situated, non-sanctuary city, based on census data and other variables. They found that “a sanctuary policy itself has no statistically meaningful effect on crime.” [emphasis added]

 

University of California at San Diego professor Tom Wong looked at 608 sanctuary counties and found lower rates of crime in those counties than in non-sanctuary counties. His research was published in January by the progressive think tank Center for American Progress. [emphasis added]

 

Other studies showed that in some jurisdictions, immigrant-friendly policies led to a decrease in crime, PolitiFact found.

 

Washington Post

https://archive.ph/McbRw

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2017/02/08/trumps-claim-that-sanctuary-cities-breed-crime/

 

 

"Researchers from the study Sessions cited found that sanctuary policies do not affect crime rates either way. The study analyzed crime data from jurisdictions that "expressly forbid city officials or police departments from inquiring into immigration status" and analyzed it in two methods. [emphasis added]

 

First, researchers compared cities’ crime rate in the year before and the year after a policy’s implementation. In the second approach, they "matched each sanctuary city to a similarly situated non-sanctuary city based on relevant census and political variables," the authors explained in an October 2016 post in the Washington Post’s Monkey Cage blog.

 

At the end, "We find no statistically discernible difference in violent crime rate, rape, or property crime across the cities. Our findings provide evidence that sanctuary policies have no effect on crime rates, despite narratives to the contrary," said the 2016 study, titled "The Politics of Refuge: Sanctuary Cities, Crime, and Undocumented Immigration." The researchers were from the University of California at Riverside and Highline College. [emphasis added]

 

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2017/jul/24/jeff-sessions/jeff-sessions-mischaracterizes-study-sanctuary-cit/

 

 

 

"...a January 2017 report that considered more than 600 counties to be sanctuary locales.

 

The report by the Washington-based Center for American Progress, a liberal public policy research and advocacy group, "The Effects of Sanctuary Policies on Crime and the Economy," states that crime in 2015 was significantly lower in 608 "sanctuary" counties than in counties where law officers were more compliant with requests from Immigration and Customs Enforcement officials to detain locally-held suspects. [emphasis added]

 

Tom K. Wong, a political scientist at the University of California, San Diego, wrote: "There are, on average, 35.5 fewer crimes committed per 10,000 people in sanctuary counties compared to non-sanctuary counties. Altogether, the data suggest that when local law enforcement focuses on keeping communities safe, rather than becoming entangled in federal immigration enforcement efforts, communities are safer," the report says, plus there are other advantages such as stronger economies."

 

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2017/may/10/sally-hernandez/sally-hernandez-says-cities-labeled-sanctuaries-ha/

 

 

 

Edited yesterday at 01:27 PM by TallGuyJohninBKK

[herfiehandbag]

10 hours ago, candide said:

That's a MAGA pattern. Repeat debunked claims in the hope they will become true! 😀

What did Goebbels call it? Oh yes, "the big lie".

[EVENKEEL]

12 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

As for so-called sanctuary cities and their supposed correlation with crime rates:

 

"In an August 2016 study of roughly 80 jurisdictions, University of California at Riverside and Highline College researchers used FBI city-level crime data to see how violent and property crime rates changed after sanctuary policies were adopted. Then they compared each sanctuary city to a similarly situated, non-sanctuary city, based on census data and other variables. They found that “a sanctuary policy itself has no statistically meaningful effect on crime.” [emphasis added]

 

University of California at San Diego professor Tom Wong looked at 608 sanctuary counties and found lower rates of crime in those counties than in non-sanctuary counties. His research was published in January by the progressive think tank Center for American Progress. [emphasis added]

 

Other studies showed that in some jurisdictions, immigrant-friendly policies led to a decrease in crime, PolitiFact found.

 

Washington Post

https://archive.ph/McbRw

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2017/02/08/trumps-claim-that-sanctuary-cities-breed-crime/

 

 

"Researchers from the study Sessions cited found that sanctuary policies do not affect crime rates either way. The study analyzed crime data from jurisdictions that "expressly forbid city officials or police departments from inquiring into immigration status" and analyzed it in two methods. [emphasis added]

 

First, researchers compared cities’ crime rate in the year before and the year after a policy’s implementation. In the second approach, they "matched each sanctuary city to a similarly situated non-sanctuary city based on relevant census and political variables," the authors explained in an October 2016 post in the Washington Post’s Monkey Cage blog.

 

At the end, "We find no statistically discernible difference in violent crime rate, rape, or property crime across the cities. Our findings provide evidence that sanctuary policies have no effect on crime rates, despite narratives to the contrary," said the 2016 study, titled "The Politics of Refuge: Sanctuary Cities, Crime, and Undocumented Immigration." The researchers were from the University of California at Riverside and Highline College. [emphasis added]

 

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2017/jul/24/jeff-sessions/jeff-sessions-mischaracterizes-study-sanctuary-cit/

 

 

 

"...a January 2017 report that considered more than 600 counties to be sanctuary locales.

 

The report by the Washington-based Center for American Progress, a liberal public policy research and advocacy group, "The Effects of Sanctuary Policies on Crime and the Economy," states that crime in 2015 was significantly lower in 608 "sanctuary" counties than in counties where law officers were more compliant with requests from Immigration and Customs Enforcement officials to detain locally-held suspects. [emphasis added]

 

Tom K. Wong, a political scientist at the University of California, San Diego, wrote: "There are, on average, 35.5 fewer crimes committed per 10,000 people in sanctuary counties compared to non-sanctuary counties. Altogether, the data suggest that when local law enforcement focuses on keeping communities safe, rather than becoming entangled in federal immigration enforcement efforts, communities are safer," the report says, plus there are other advantages such as stronger economies."

 

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2017/may/10/sally-hernandez/sally-hernandez-says-cities-labeled-sanctuaries-ha/

 

 

 

Across New York, recently arrived migrants are flooding the criminal justice system — at far higher rates than public officials have acknowledged.

Police sources shared with The Post a staggering estimate that as many as 75% of the people they’ve been arresting in Midtown Manhattan in recent months for crimes like assault, robbery and domestic violence are migrants. In parts of Queens, the figure is more than 60%, sources there estimate.

On any given day, Big Apple criminal court dockets are packed with asylum seekers who have run afoul of the law.

 

https://nypost.com/2024/09/02/us-news/migrants-flooding-nycs-justice-system-making-up-75-of-arrests-in-midtown-as-pathetic-sanctuary-city-laws-handcuff-cops/

[thesetat2013]

16 hours ago, candide said:

That's a MAGA pattern. Repeat debunked claims in the hope they will become true! 😀

Why is it some MAGA pattern when the Dems do stuff like this all the time. Distort facts, lie about figures to justify themselves!

[kingstonkid]

16 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

Why don't you try not continuing to repeat the same already debunked nonsense claims involving stats that don't represent what you and others have wrongly claimed them to represent:

 

Fact check: To attack Harris, Trump falsely describes new stats on immigrants and homicide

September 29, 2024

 

"Washington (CNN)  — Former President Donald Trump is wildly distorting new statistics on immigration and crime to attack Vice President Kamala Harris.

 

Trump falsely claimed Friday and Saturday that the statistics are specifically about criminal offenders who entered the US during the Biden-Harris administration; in reality, the figures are about offenders who entered the US over multiple decades, including during the Trump administration. And Trump falsely claimed that the statistics are specifically about people who are now living freely in the US; the figures actually include people who are currently in jails and prisons serving criminal sentences." [emphasis added]

...

The statistics have been deployed by Trump and various Republican lawmakers and right-wing commentators as alarming evidence of Harris’ supposed mismanagement of immigration policy. But in addition to exaggerating her role on the file — she was never actually “border czar” — much of the chatter has inaccurately described what the statistics show.

 

https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/29/politics/fact-check-trump-harris-immigrants-homicide/index.html

 

 

LoL I love it. Using Clinton news network for Dems 

 

Is like saying hannity is middle of the road.

[john donson]

18 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

Why don't you try not continuing to repeat the same already debunked nonsense claims involving stats that don't represent what you and others have wrongly claimed them to represent:

 

Fact check: To attack Harris, Trump falsely describes new stats on immigrants and homicide

September 29, 2024

 

"Washington (CNN)  — Former President Donald Trump is wildly distorting new statistics on immigration and crime to attack Vice President Kamala Harris.

 

Trump falsely claimed Friday and Saturday that the statistics are specifically about criminal offenders who entered the US during the Biden-Harris administration; in reality, the figures are about offenders who entered the US over multiple decades, including during the Trump administration. And Trump falsely claimed that the statistics are specifically about people who are now living freely in the US; the figures actually include people who are currently in jails and prisons serving criminal sentences." [emphasis added]

...

The statistics have been deployed by Trump and various Republican lawmakers and right-wing commentators as alarming evidence of Harris’ supposed mismanagement of immigration policy. But in addition to exaggerating her role on the file — she was never actually “border czar” — much of the chatter has inaccurately described what the statistics show.

 

https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/29/politics/fact-check-trump-harris-immigrants-homicide/index.html

 

 

 

hahahaha, CNN as a news source...

 

 

[Srikcir]

18 hours ago, Cameroni said:

 

America shows Europe the way. Great article.

The bill hadn't and will not pass unless Democrats support it which they will not

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

11 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

Across New York, recently arrived migrants are flooding the criminal justice system — at far higher rates than public officials have acknowledged.

Police sources shared with The Post a staggering estimate that as many as 75% of the people they’ve been arresting in Midtown Manhattan in recent months for crimes like assault, robbery and domestic violence are migrants. In parts of Queens, the figure is more than 60%, sources there estimate.

On any given day, Big Apple criminal court dockets are packed with asylum seekers who have run afoul of the law.

 

https://nypost.com/2024/09/02/us-news/migrants-flooding-nycs-justice-system-making-up-75-of-arrests-in-midtown-as-pathetic-sanctuary-city-laws-handcuff-cops/

 

Funny how the various unnamed sources in the Post article are giving their guesstimates of the share of crime that is supposedly being committed by so-called migrants... When as the article itself notes:

 

"An NYPD spokesperson said overall crime is down so far this year compared to last year, and added, “New Yorkers can count on the NYPD’s ongoing vigilance in every neighborhood.”

 

However, the spokesperson also noted, “Police officers are prohibited from asking about the immigration status of crime victims, witnesses, or suspects and therefore the NYPD doesn’t track data pertaining to immigration statuses.” [emphasis added]

 

But then again, the NY Post has never particularly concerned itself with being a factual, credible news source as opposed to being an unfailingly right-wing, Trump echoing propaganda peddler.

 

[candide]

10 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

Funny how the various unnamed sources in the Post article are giving their guesstimates of the share of crime that is supposedly being committed by so-called migrants... When as the article itself notes:

 

"An NYPD spokesperson said overall crime is down so far this year compared to last year, and added, “New Yorkers can count on the NYPD’s ongoing vigilance in every neighborhood.”

 

However, the spokesperson also noted, “Police officers are prohibited from asking about the immigration status of crime victims, witnesses, or suspects and therefore the NYPD doesn’t track data pertaining to immigration statuses.” [emphasis added]

 

But then again, the NY Post has never particularly concerned itself with being a factual, credible news source as opposed to being an unfailingly right-wing, Trump echoing propaganda peddler.

 

Since Fox News has been caught shamelessly lying. Fox News and the NYPost often have a misleading title, but distillate a few pieces of true information in the body of the article, in case of...