37 minutes ago, stevenl said:

He should have stuck to the Iran deal in stead of listening to Benny.

The present mess is for a major part his responsibility.

That's all academic. There wouldn't have even been an October 7 if Netanyahu had been doing his job properly. But he's still in power, and from where things stand now, I'm having a problem thinking of many downsides of wiping out Iran's nuclear program. 

Edited October 6, 20241 yr by Jingthing

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

Israel woumd be doing a public service to the world if tbey can pull that off.

Trump may be right this time.

Weird considerimg how wrong he is about Russia, close ally of Iran.

 

   Do you agree with Donald Trump ?

1 minute ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Do you agree with Donald Trump ?

A stopped watch is correct twice a day. 

I'm also a critic of Biden for stupidly restraining Ukraine by falling for Putin's bluff threats.

Edited October 6, 20241 yr by Jingthing

5 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Well that didn’t take long for me to be proved correct.

 

After all, that's always the priority for you.

5 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

A stopped watch is correct twice a day. 

I'm also a critic of Biden for stupidly restraining Ukraine by falling for Putin's bluff threats.

 

   Come on , just say *Yes, I agree with Donald Trump*

Can you bring yourself to say that ?

45 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

A stopped watch is correct twice a day. 

I'm also a critic of Biden for stupidly restraining Ukraine by falling for Putin's bluff threats.

 

   Just say that "I agree with Donald Trump" and within a week you will be banging porn stars, keeping top secret documents under your bed and mocking disabled people 

1 hour ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   We are talking about the present , rather than the past

I do understand why you don’t like discos we got here.

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I do understand why you don’t like discos we got here.

 

   Why is it that I don't like discos here ?

1 hour ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Come on , just say *Yes, I agree with Donald Trump*

Can you bring yourself to say that ?

He said that earlier in the thread already.

3 minutes ago, stevenl said:

He said that earlier in the thread already.

 

   He didn't quite actually say it  , he sort of begrudgingly  hinted at it  , but not an outright full on bold statement 

16 hours ago, Jingthing said:

I would like to see Iran's nuclear capabilities taken out but I don't pretend to understand the logistics or risks of doing that.

 

2 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Israel woumd be doing a public service to the world if tbey can pull that off.

Trump may be right this time.

Weird considerimg how wrong he is about Russia, close ally of Iran.

 

19 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   He didn't quite actually say it  , he sort of begrudgingly  hinted at it  , but not an outright full on bold statement 

Pretty clear to me.

3 minutes ago, stevenl said:

 

 

Pretty clear to me.

 

   Do you agree with Donald Trump ?

11 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Do you agree with Donald Trump ?

No, i don't.

2 minutes ago, stevenl said:

No, i don't.

You want Iran to have nukes?

37 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

You want Iran to have nukes?

Unfortunately it isn't as simple as that. I agree with this statement from you.

"I would like to see Iran's nuclear capabilities taken out but I don't pretend to understand the logistics or risks of doing that."

 

I'm afraid, have the feeling, the consequences could be really bad.

Edited October 6, 20241 yr by stevenl

57 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Unfortunately it isn't as simple as that. I agree with this statement from you.

"I would like to see Iran's nuclear capabilities taken out but I don't pretend to understand the logistics or risks of doing that."

 

I'm afraid, have the feeling, the consequences could be really bad.

Worth considering but once they get nukes the option is off the table.

2 hours ago, stevenl said:

Unfortunately it isn't as simple as that. I agree with this statement from you.

"I would like to see Iran's nuclear capabilities taken out but I don't pretend to understand the logistics or risks of doing that."

 

I'm afraid, have the feeling, the consequences could be really bad.

 

   Its safe to say that the consequences will be even worse if Iran has Nuclear Bombs , rather than the consequences if the Nukes are taken away from them 

2 hours ago, stevenl said:

Unfortunately it isn't as simple as that. I agree with this statement from you.

"I would like to see Iran's nuclear capabilities taken out but I don't pretend to understand the logistics or risks of doing that."

 

I'm afraid, have the feeling, the consequences could be really bad.

 

There are some analysts who claim an attack on Iran's nuclear facilities would only slow down the development process by a year or two. If Iran developed nuclear weapons would the leadership be prepared to commit national suicide by deploying them, rather than as a deterrence. A very long shot, but would Western powers again be able to develop an agreement with Iran to reverse the stupidity of trump's unilateral decision; I assume not.

18 minutes ago, simple1 said:

 

There are some analysts who claim an attack on Iran's nuclear facilities would only slow down the development process by a year or two. If Iran developed nuclear weapons would the leadership be prepared to commit national suicide by deploying them, rather than as a deterrence. A very long shot, but would Western powers again be able to develop an agreement with Iran to reverse the stupidity of trump's unilateral decision; I assume not.

How would these analysts know how much damage would be done to come up with an estimate of just a year or two set back? 
 

seems there are some thinking of any possible excuse to take a risk now and instead let it ride till it’s too late to do anything at all about it. After all. An election in a month. Biden does not want any thing major happening before then. Much like also telling Israel to avoid oil depots. Wouldn’t want to drive up the price in the next month.

1 hour ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Its safe to say that the consequences will be even worse if Iran has Nuclear Bombs , rather than the consequences if the Nukes are taken away from them 

No, that's not safe to say. It seems your opinion that they should be bombed or they will have a nuclear weapon.

2 minutes ago, stevenl said:

No, that's not safe to say. It seems your opinion that they should be bombed or they will have a nuclear weapon.

 

   We are talking about whether Irans nuclear bomb making facility should be bombed to stop Iran acquiring  Nuclear bombs , rather than a general bombing of Iran 

27 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   We are talking about whether Irans nuclear bomb making facility should be bombed to stop Iran acquiring  Nuclear bombs , rather than a general bombing of Iran 

Which is what i was talking about. You also seem to presume bombing the facility will prevent them from making a bomb now or in the foreseeable future. 

I doubt both suppositions.

14 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Which is what i was talking about. You also seem to presume bombing the facility will prevent them from making a bomb now or in the foreseeable future. 

I doubt both suppositions.

 

   I doubt very much that bombing the bomb making facility would make it easier for Iran  make a bomb 🙂

2 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   I doubt very much that bombing the bomb making facility would make it easier for Iran  make a bomb 🙂

Stating the obvious while avoiding the issue.

Just now, stevenl said:

Stating the obvious while avoiding the issue.

 

   You did doubt that bombing the bomb making facility would stop Iran making a nuclear bomb , it would certainly be a hinderance  to Iran's ability to build a bomb

26 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   You did doubt that bombing the bomb making facility would stop Iran making a nuclear bomb , it would certainly be a hinderance  to Iran's ability to build a bomb

Unfortunately your comprehension is limited.

1 minute ago, stevenl said:

Unfortunately your comprehension is limited.

 

   Do explain then . 

I think that's its correct to presume that bombing a factory will hinder that factory from making things , its quite obvious really 

An off topic deflection post and a reply have been removed.

13 hours ago, coolcarer said:

How would these analysts know how much damage would be done to come up with an estimate of just a year or two set back? 
 

seems there are some thinking of any possible excuse to take a risk now and instead let it ride till it’s too late to do anything at all about it. After all. An election in a month. Biden does not want any thing major happening before then. Much like also telling Israel to avoid oil depots. Wouldn’t want to drive up the price in the next month.

 

Given analysts claim they know the progress of Iran's efforts I assume they have a degree of insight into the recovery efforts from an attack. The locations of the nuclear development sites are known for what they're are being used. There is one site that is possibly relatively immune from arial attack, it's located inside a mountain. Plus of course a fair amount would be known from inspections prior to trump unilaterally cancelling the nuclear agreement with Iran. One report of many with varying interpretations. To repeat IMO trump's action was an act of ignorance , with most opposing the decision.

 

https://responsiblestatecraft.org/iran-nuclear-deal/

 

https://apnews.com/article/israel-iran-nuclear-netanyahu-bunker-buster-12ee682de21a7cbb6c7e551ca8ce1b6

7 minutes ago, simple1 said:

 

Given analysts claim they know the progress of Iran's efforts I assume they have a degree of insight into the recovery efforts from an attack. The locations of the nuclear development sites are known for what they're are being used. There is one site that is possibly relatively immune from arial attack, it's located inside a mountain. Plus of course a fair amount would be known from inspections prior to trump unilaterally cancelling the nuclear agreement with Iran. One report of many with varying interpretations. To repeat IMO trump's action was an act of ignorance , with most opposing the decision.

 

https://responsiblestatecraft.org/iran-nuclear-deal/

 

https://apnews.com/article/israel-iran-nuclear-netanyahu-bunker-buster-12ee682de21a7cbb6c7e551ca8ce1b6

These were my questions.

 

How would these analysts know how much damage would be done to come up with an estimate of just a year or two set back? 
 

can you provide a link to your claims that “some analysts claim an attack on Irans nuclear facilities would only slow down the development process by a tear or two”

 

the links you provided have nothing mentioned about that claim