Houston we have a problem!imop

 

 “The electoral college needs to go,” Walz said 

 

walz criticizes electoral college, as polls continue to show presidential race up in the air.

harris campaign says no plans to change EC after his remarks.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2024/oct/09/harris-trump-biden-election-poll-latest-updates

 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2024/oct/09/harris-trump-biden-election-poll-latest-updates?filterKeyEvents=false&page=with:block-670677298f08f2b9f7a49f99#block-670677298f08f2b9f7a49f99

14 minutes ago, riclag said:

Houston we have a problem!imop

 

 “The electoral college needs to go,” Walz said 

 

walz criticizes electoral college, as polls continue to show presidential race up in the air.

harris campaign says no plans to change EC after his remarks.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2024/oct/09/harris-trump-biden-election-poll-latest-updates

 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2024/oct/09/harris-trump-biden-election-poll-latest-updates?filterKeyEvents=false&page=with:block-670677298f08f2b9f7a49f99#block-670677298f08f2b9f7a49f99

 

Great articles. They're terrified. Walz and Harris know Trump just needs Pennsylvania and they can go home.

 

They're terrified, bless' em.

21 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

Great articles. They're terrified. Walz and Harris know Trump just needs Pennsylvania and they can go home.

 

They're terrified, bless' em.

walz is a gift that keeps on giving !Huge blunder , with the polls so close.

How often have the extreme left 

demonized the Electoral College?

 

“Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz on Tuesday called for the elimination of the Electoral College during a fundraiser in California, a move some Democrats have advocated for in the past after election defeats”.

 

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/tim-walz-calls-elimination-electoral-college-california-fundraiser-says-it-needs-go

4 minutes ago, riclag said:

walz is a gift that keeps on giving !Huge blunder , with the polls so close.

How often have the extreme left 

demonized the Electoral College?

 

“Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz on Tuesday called for the elimination of the Electoral College during a fundraiser in California, a move some Democrats have advocated for in the past after election defeats”.

 

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/tim-walz-calls-elimination-electoral-college-california-fundraiser-says-it-needs-go

Yes, they want 16 year olds to vote, immigrants to vote, and the Electoral College abolished. Any rules or traditions, nothing is sacred. 

21 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

Yes, they want 16 year olds to vote, immigrants to vote, and the Electoral College abolished. Any rules or traditions, nothing is sacred. 

What you’re describing is Extreme left politics ! Radical! Imop

All this while

harris goes out doing a media bliz going on 60 minutes, the view, Stern and Colbert! 
 

oh by the way…

 

“Gov. Walz’s running mate, Vice President Kamala Harris, made a similar call during her run for president in the 2020 election. Harris told late night host Jimmy Kimmel during an appearance on his show in 2019 she supported Sen. Elizabeth Warren, D-Mass., in her push to do away with the electoral vote”.

https://wchstv.com/news/nation-world/tim-walz-declares-electoral-college-needs-to-go-during-california-campaign-stop-kamala-harris-harris-walz-campaign-popular-vote-2024-election-voting-politics

 

 

 

 

2 minutes ago, riclag said:

What you’re describing is Extreme left politics ! Radical! Imop

All this while

harris goes out doing a media bliz going on 60 minutes, the view, Stern and Colbert! 
 

oh by the way…

 

“Gov. Walz’s running mate, Vice President Kamala Harris, made a similar call during her run for president in the 2020 election. Harris told late night host Jimmy Kimmel during an appearance on his show in 2019 she supported Sen. Elizabeth Warren, D-Mass., in her push to do away with the electoral vote”.

https://wchstv.com/news/nation-world/tim-walz-declares-electoral-college-needs-to-go-during-california-campaign-stop-kamala-harris-harris-walz-campaign-popular-vote-2024-election-voting-politics

 

 

 

 

 

They are afraid. They know Trump can win Pensylvania and then it's game over.

 

It's the fear talking.

10 hours ago, riclag said:

Houston we have a problem!imop

 

 “The electoral college needs to go,” Walz said 

 

walz criticizes electoral college, as polls continue to show presidential race up in the air.

harris campaign says no plans to change EC after his remarks.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2024/oct/09/harris-trump-biden-election-poll-latest-updates

 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2024/oct/09/harris-trump-biden-election-poll-latest-updates?filterKeyEvents=false&page=with:block-670677298f08f2b9f7a49f99#block-670677298f08f2b9f7a49f99

Even if it were possible to get a constitutional amendment to do away with the E C, it ain't going to happen in the next three weeks.

11 hours ago, riclag said:

The electoral college needs to go,” Walz said 

 

walz criticizes electoral college, as polls continue to show presidential race up in the air.

He's obviously setting up the excuse for their defeat next month. It's all the founding father's fault ( I bet if he would blame Trump for it he could ).

Agree the EC is a subversion of democracy. But it will not change, not possible atm.

Surely a valid point, when in a national election for President, the loser, by several million votes, can be awarded the Presidency by a, now, largely jerrymandered system, based on a very limited suffrage, and devised in the 18th century, to ensure that the then "(slave owning) establishment" maintained power.

 

There is a place for tradition in political procedure and governance (after all I am from the UK, possibly it's home) but it's place is not to manage and alter the clearly expressed democratic intent of the electorate. That is why we (the UK) abolished "traditions" like "rotten boroughs", property and wealth qualifications to vote, and introduced absolute adult suffrage.

 

 

 

2 hours ago, herfiehandbag said:

Surely a valid point, when in a national election for President, the loser, by several million votes, can be awarded the Presidency by a, now, largely jerrymandered system, based on a very limited suffrage, and devised in the 18th century, to ensure that the then "(slave owning) establishment" maintained power.

 

There is a place for tradition in political procedure and governance (after all I am from the UK, possibly it's home) but it's place is not to manage and alter the clearly expressed democratic intent of the electorate. That is why we (the UK) abolished "traditions" like "rotten boroughs", property and wealth qualifications to vote, and introduced absolute adult suffrage.

 

 

 

 

And the UK still ended up with Two-Tier Kier.

12 minutes ago, nauseus said:

 

And the UK still ended up with Two-Tier Kier.

Yes we did. I dislike Starmer intensely, distrust him and view him as a colourless authoritarian socialist, albeit one who has managed to indulge some rather expensive tastes. However, of the three plausible candidates for Prime Minister he ended up with more votes than any other candidate; so his appointment reflects that. His parliamentary majority raises calls for electoral reform, but his legitimacy as Prime Minister is not really challengeable.

 

The USA Presidential contest is essentially a binary choice, Trump or Harris. Therefore the winner, the one who gets the most votes, should be the one who assumes the Presidency. As someone said here recently ( @stevenl) if the Electoral College decides otherwise it is a subversion of Democracy

16 minutes ago, herfiehandbag said:

Yes we did. I dislike Starmer intensely, distrust him and view him as a colourless authoritarian socialist, albeit one who has managed to indulge some rather expensive tastes. However, of the three plausible candidates for Prime Minister he ended up with more votes than any other candidate; so his appointment reflects that. His parliamentary majority raises calls for electoral reform, but his legitimacy as Prime Minister is not really challengeable.

 

The USA Presidential contest is essentially a binary choice, Trump or Harris. Therefore the winner, the one who gets the most votes, should be the one who assumes the Presidency. As someone said here recently ( @stevenl) if the Electoral College decides otherwise it is a subversion of Democracy

 

Starmer is a prime example of why it whatever the UK electoral system is, it can never be perfect.

 

If a majority of Americans are not happy with their present electoral system, then they should change it themselves. However, if that happens, I think my last remark (above) would also apply to the USA.

16 hours ago, nauseus said:

 

Starmer is a prime example of why it whatever the UK electoral system is, it can never be perfect.

 

If a majority of Americans are not happy with their present electoral system, then they should change it themselves. However, if that happens, I think my last remark (above) would also apply to the USA.

I'm not suggesting that anyone other than the Americans should change it - it is after all a candidate in the election who has suggested it!

 

Cynicism prompts me to suggest that entrenched political interests will ensure that the onerous hurdles which exist for constitutional change ( particularly in the Senate, the least democratic of bodies - California having the same representation as North Dakota!) will prevent any such amendment. Again cynicism prompts me to suggest that any popular feeling, whether expressed by House of Representative numbers or election results will be ignored - but then that is rather the ultimate purpose of the Electoral College anyway!

I am a bit skeptical of the good Governor suddenly taking an interest in the Electoral College. He has been a politician for 20 years or more, yet I guess he never realized that this is the system used to decide the Presidential election. Not sure what i think.

Either

a/ he is a moron and never before had a deep thought about the Constitution, or

b/ it is a craven political move in order to excuse the inevitable GOP victory next month. 

21 hours ago, stevenl said:

Agree the EC is a subversion of democracy. But it will not change, not possible atm.

 

The EC itself isn't the problem.  It's the states (most of them) that have decided it's "winner take all". 

 

The EC was the only way through when it took weeks for the votes to come in from across the country.  Now...  Not so necessary.  But even if they change the rules (as long as the rules are fair), it'll change the way the campaigns are conducted, but probably not the results.  Admittedly, it will appear more fair.

 

8 hours ago, Hanaguma said:

I am a bit skeptical of the good Governor suddenly taking an interest in the Electoral College. He has been a politician for 20 years or more, yet I guess he never realized that this is the system used to decide the Presidential election. Not sure what i think.

Either

a/ he is a moron and never before had a deep thought about the Constitution, or

b/ it is a craven political move in order to excuse the inevitable GOP victory next month. 

Or perhaps c) he has never before been in a position (as a candidate for national office) to raise or have any influence on the matter.