Let The Fraud Begin

[pattayasan]

Just now, Yellowtail said:

It's clear that you are unable to have an honest discussion.

 

59 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Like Reagan changed parties? Or like I changed parties? 

 

All the left has is lies.

 

At no time did I ever respond to this question:

 

"Like Reagan changed parties? Or like I changed parties? "

[Yellowtail]

2 minutes ago, Dan O said:

Do some research and don't be a mushroom. Its widely available on how many times Trump lied during his presidency and from multiple sources. That doesn't include all the illegal things he has done his whole life and be caught on and charged with. Speak to those or stop posting bs

So you demand people you disagree with to provide proof of their claims, but when you are asked provide proof of your claims, you run away and say; "Do some research and don't be a mushroom.". 

 

Let me guess, you're a Harris supporter, yes? 

[Yellowtail]

1 minute ago, pattayasan said:

 

 

At no time did I ever respond to this question:

 

"Like Reagan changed parties? Or like I changed parties? "

Indeed. But did you not mean these questions? 

[pattayasan]

Just now, Yellowtail said:

Indeed. But did you not mean these questions? 

 

Nope, my comment about projection was entirely based on the hypocrisy of claiming dems only have lies.

[Dan O]

8 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

So you demand people you disagree with to provide proof of their claims, but when you are asked provide proof of your claims, you run away and say; "Do some research and don't be a mushroom.". 

 

Let me guess, you're a Harris supporter, yes? 

The link was already post so go read the thread or show me a link that shows otherwise. Posting nonsense replies proves nothing other than a lack of intelligence to back up your statements. Your just gaslighting because you have no proof just lipservice as usual from the trumpettes

 

Nope not a Harris support, an ex republican that left when tge party sold their souls and morals just to get Trump follower votes. 

[Yellowtail]

6 minutes ago, Dan O said:

You need to prove me wrong a link was already posted. Use you brain. To affect an election thru voter fraud you would need massive fraud in multiple states to even begin to influence the outcome. A local fraud would only affect that locality. Do the math or don't you know how to count

So now, because you got caught making stuff up that you are not able to support with facts, you change the subject to (apparently) voter fraud is okay, as long as it's not massive. 

 

Again, you must be a Harris supporter, yes? 

[Yellowtail]

2 minutes ago, Dan O said:

The link was already post so go read the thread or show me a link that shows otherwise. Posting nonsense replies proves nothing other than a lack of intelligence to back up your statements. Your just gaslighting because you have no proof just lipservice as usual from the trumpettes

Sure it was. And there have been plenty of links showing that yours was false.

[Dan O]

5 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

So now, because you got caught making stuff up that you are not able to support with facts, you change the subject to (apparently) voter fraud is okay, as long as it's not massive. 

 

Again, you must be a Harris supporter, yes? 

Never said it was ok I just qualified it. Stop posting moronic deflection comments and use your brain if you think your right, prove it. Trump couldnt prove it in the election he lost and all the lawsuits he filed and LOST. 

[thesetat2013]

20 minutes ago, pattayasan said:

 

Is that evidence of actual electoral fraud that is or has taken place or just a definition of the term do you think?

I never said there was actual voter fraud... You really should read what was said initially by me.. haha... 

[thesetat2013]

21 minutes ago, Dan O said:

Posting the description of what voter fraud is doesnt prove anything other than to tell the definition. Thats a pathetic attempt to prove the misleading bs you claim.  Try again. You should be more worried about what the GOP is doing to block citizens and military overseas from voting. They have lawsuits in 3 staes currently and more pending. 

my claim was that voter fraud could change the outcome of an election and that there are many ways to commit voter fraud...

[Will B Good]

Just now, Dan O said:

Never said it was ok I just qualified it. Stop posting moronic deflection comments and use your brain if you think your right, prove it. Trump could prove it in the election he lost and all the lawsuits he filed and LOST. 

 

 

55555,,,,good luck with that request.

[Dan O]

5 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Sure it was. And there have been plenty of links showing that yours was false.

Hahaha no there wasn't any links showing massive voter fraud. Trumpettes claim there was dont count for links 

[Yellowtail]

1 minute ago, Dan O said:

Never said it was ok I just qualified it. Stop posting moronic deflection comments and use your brain if you think your right, prove it. Trump couldnt prove it in the election he lost and all the lawsuits he filed and LOST. 

Then why do you keep changing the subject? Why not just prove your claim like you ask others to do? 

[Dan O]

1 minute ago, thesetat2013 said:

my claim was that voter fraud could change the outcome of an election and that there are many ways to commit voter fraud...

Ok back track now. 

[Dan O]

27 minutes ago, radiochaser said:

Do you now or have you ever been to a Pennsylvania department of motor vehicles office to apply for a drivers license or ID card?  You don't need to fill out documents.

 

"

In 1993, Congress passed the National Voter Registration Act, commonly known as the “Motor Voter Act,” which required state departments of motor vehicles to provide citizens with the option to register to vote when interacting with the agency.

Some states have taken that mandate a step further and applied what is known as “automatic voter registration.” According to the National Conference of State Legislatures, automatic voter registration is typically implemented in one of two ways: on the front end, where voters need to opt out of being registered when interacting with the agency; or on the back end, where voters are notified after interacting with the agency that they are being automatically registered unless they take action to opt out.

Pennsylvania’s new system is most akin to the front-end system: The registration is automatic and takes the onus off of the voter, but is not instantaneous like in some states.

Pennsylvania joins 23 other states and Washington, D.C., which already use some form of automatic voter registration, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures. Twenty of the states with automatic voter registration implemented it through legislation or by having voters approve the change."

 

https://www.spotlightpa.org/news/2023/09/pennsylvania-automatic-voter-registration-josh-shapiro-penndot/

 

https://www.dmv.pa.gov/Information-Centers/Laws-Regulations/Pages/Motor-Voter-Law.aspx

 

Hahaha try again after you read the whole. If if you are automatically registered to vote you have to confirm it thru the registers office to select a party to vote for so again you are quoting misleading info 

[Dan O]

8 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Then why do you keep changing the subject? Why not just prove your claim like you ask others to do? 

Here you go, 2 sources along with the link already posted here on this thread. Learn to read or are you not capable? Now I'm sure you'll claim this link is a left wing site.

 

https://www.snopes.com/collections/election-voter-fraud-collection/

 

https://www.brennancenter.org/issues/ensure-every-american-can-vote/vote-suppression/myth-voter-fraud

[pattayasan]

12 minutes ago, thesetat2013 said:

I never said there was actual voter fraud... You really should read what was said initially by me.. haha... 

 

well, is there significant voter fraud affecting the outcome of an election. Or was there ever?

[Dan O]

45 minutes ago, radiochaser said:

Do you now or have you ever been to a Pennsylvania department of motor vehicles office to apply for a drivers license or ID card?  You don't need to fill out documents.

 

"

In 1993, Congress passed the National Voter Registration Act, commonly known as the “Motor Voter Act,” which required state departments of motor vehicles to provide citizens with the option to register to vote when interacting with the agency.

Some states have taken that mandate a step further and applied what is known as “automatic voter registration.” According to the National Conference of State Legislatures, automatic voter registration is typically implemented in one of two ways: on the front end, where voters need to opt out of being registered when interacting with the agency; or on the back end, where voters are notified after interacting with the agency that they are being automatically registered unless they take action to opt out.

Pennsylvania’s new system is most akin to the front-end system: The registration is automatic and takes the onus off of the voter, but is not instantaneous like in some states.

Pennsylvania joins 23 other states and Washington, D.C., which already use some form of automatic voter registration, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures. Twenty of the states with automatic voter registration implemented it through legislation or by having voters approve the change."

 

https://www.spotlightpa.org/news/2023/09/pennsylvania-automatic-voter-registration-josh-shapiro-penndot/

 

https://www.dmv.pa.gov/Information-Centers/Laws-Regulations/Pages/Motor-Voter-Law.aspx

 

Thwe link to the page from Pa website showing clearly you must select if you want to register to vote. Dmv doesn't do it for you and if you select yes the info goes to the voter registration office to process

[gamb00ler]

21 hours ago, TroubleandGrumpy said:

What you think is the truth is very far from reality.

Your lot think men can be women and have babies - so who is really deluded??

The 'wake up' call is coming - it will be loud and clear - get ready - only one more day. 

Most of your posts have a severe yellow emoji infestation.  Is it time yet for a little introspection or an intervention?

[Yellowtail]

11 minutes ago, Dan O said:

Here you go, 2 sources along with the link already posted here on this thread. Learn to read or are you not capable? Now I'm sure you'll claim this link is a left wing site.

 

https://www.snopes.com/collections/election-voter-fraud-collection/

 

https://www.brennancenter.org/issues/ensure-every-american-can-vote/vote-suppression/myth-voter-fraud

More defection?

 

You claimed: "Modern voting process is pretty efficient and large cases of voter fraud would easily be detect if its real."

 

Neither of the links support that claim. Please show some proof with a link showing your claim or don't post bs.

[Yellowtail]

2 minutes ago, Dan O said:

He's the page from PS website showing clearly you must select if you want to register to vote. Dmv doesn't do it for you and if you select yes the info goes to the voter registration office to process

So anyone that checks yes gets registered? 

[Dan O]

1 minute ago, Yellowtail said:

More defection?

 

You claimed: "Modern voting process is pretty efficient and large cases of voter fraud would easily be detect if its real."

 

Neither of the links support that claim. Please show some proof with a link showing your claim or don't post bs.

I gave you links now its up to you to put up or shut up.   You can't thats why you keep posting thinking if you say it enough it not a lie 

[Dan O]

2 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

So anyone that checks yes gets registered? 

Nope it means you want to register and then it goes to the voter register to process. Reading comprehension may not be your strong suit. The dmv doesn't process it nor do they verify citizenship. Same in most states

[radiochaser]

21 minutes ago, Dan O said:

Hahaha try again after you read the whole. If if you are automatically registered to vote you have to confirm it thru the registers office to select a party to vote for so again you are quoting misleading info 

You really don't know do you?  You have never been to the Pennsylvania DMV have you?   You just want to insult someone don't you?

 

They ask you if you want to register to vote!  If you say yes, they ask you what party you want to be registered with!   There is no requirement to confirm anything through the voter registrars office!

 

When I was first registered to vote, under the motor voter law, I had to go to Chambersburg, PA DMV as it was open on Saturday.  

Which Pennsylvania DMV did you go to?  

[Dan O]

1 minute ago, radiochaser said:

You really don't know do you?  You have never been to the Pennsylvania DMV have you?   You just want to insult someone don't you?

 

They ask you if you want to register to vote!  If you say yes, they ask you what party you want to be registered with!   There is no requirement to confirm anything through the voter registrars office!

 

When I was first registered to vote, under the motor voter law, I had to go to Chambersburg, PA DMV as it was open on Saturday.  

Which Pennsylvania DMV did you go to?  

I stand by what I wrote. Dmv does not register you, they gather the info and its sent to the voter registration office to process. Its not rocket science and a pic of the PA DMV page showing what you select was already posted to you earlier in this thread. 

[radiochaser]

13 minutes ago, Dan O said:

Thwe link to the page from Pa website showing clearly you must select if you want to register to vote. Dmv doesn't do it for you and if you select yes the info goes to the voter registration office to process

 .. .and then, a few days later, the voter registrars office sends you a voter registration card to the address you gave to the DMV!

You really have no clue!   

 

This, if you read it, is what I copied and pasted from one of the links! 

 

"Pennsylvania’s new system is most akin to the front-end system: The registration is automatic and takes the onus off of the voter, but is not instantaneous like in some states." 

 

You can register to vote at the DMV, if you already have a license or ID card.  A person such as a high school student that has a license at 16 but not registered to vote, can go to the DMV instead of driving half an hour or more, up to Doylestown to register at the registrars office there!   

[Yellowtail]

4 minutes ago, Dan O said:

Nope it means you want to register and then it goes to the voter register to process.

So what happens when it is sent to voter register to process? 

4 minutes ago, Dan O said:

Reading comprehension may not be your strong suit.

Really? 

4 minutes ago, Dan O said:

 

The dmv doesn't process it nor do they verify citizenship. Same in most states

As I understand it, you check yes that you want to be registered, they notify voter registration, and voter registration registers you. 

 

It's the same if you check that you want to be an organ donor, they don't register you as an organ doner either, they notify the organ doner department, and they register you. 

 

 

 

 

[Yellowtail]

2 minutes ago, radiochaser said:

 .. .and then, a few days later, the voter registrars office sends you a voter registration card to the address you gave to the DMV!

You really have no clue!   

 

This, if you read it, is what I copied and pasted from one of the links! 

 

"Pennsylvania’s new system is most akin to the front-end system: The registration is automatic and takes the onus off of the voter, but is not instantaneous like in some states." 

 

You can register to vote at the DMV, if you already have a license or ID card.  A person such as a high school student that has a license at 16 but not registered to vote, can go to the DMV instead of driving half an hour or more, up to Doylestown to register at the registrars office there!   

But but but that's a different window! 

[radiochaser]

3 minutes ago, Dan O said:

I stand by what I wrote. Dmv does not register you, they gather the info and its sent to the voter registration office to process. Its not rocket science and a pic of the PA DMV page showing what you select was already posted to you earlier in this thread. 

You are right, it isn't rocket science, but I live in Pennsylvania.  I am registered to vote in Pennsylvania.  You don't live in the U.S. of A. do you?

[Will B Good]

3 minutes ago, radiochaser said:

 .. .and then, a few days later, the voter registrars office sends you a voter registration card to the address you gave to the DMV!

You really have no clue!   

 

This, if you read it, is what I copied and pasted from one of the links! 

 

"Pennsylvania’s new system is most akin to the front-end system: The registration is automatic and takes the onus off of the voter, but is not instantaneous like in some states." 

 

You can register to vote at the DMV, if you already have a license or ID card.  A person such as a high school student that has a license at 16 but not registered to vote, can go to the DMV instead of driving half an hour or more, up to Doylestown to register at the registrars office there!   

 

 

1. Voter Registration Forms: Federal law requires that voter registration forms explicitly ask applicants to confirm their U.S. citizenship under penalty of perjury. This self-attestation is significant because falsely claiming citizenship on these forms is a federal crime that carries penalties, including fines and possible deportation for noncitizens.

2. Database Verification: Many states cross-check voter information against databases, like the Social Security Administration and DMV records, to verify identity. Additionally, some states use the Systematic Alien Verification for Entitlements (SAVE) database to confirm citizenship status before finalizing registration.

3. Motor Voter Law Protections: The National Voter Registration Act mandates that public assistance and DMV offices provide voter registration options, but only for citizens. The process includes clear reminders and requires that only those eligible register to vote, with oversight by state election authorities to catch errors or cases of ineligible registration attempts.

4. State-Level Protections: States like Georgia and South Carolina have conducted audits to identify any noncitizens attempting to register. Findings indicate that cases of noncitizens mistakenly attempting to register are extremely rare and often stem from unintentional errors rather than attempts at fraud.

 

 

 

Sources Brennan Center, Houston Chronicle, Bipartisan Policy Center.