Israeli fans violently attacked after Amsterdam soccer match

[stevenl]

1 hour ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   It was organised online prior to the game , people were going from outside of Amsterdam 

It's not the 17th century anymore. Across Europe and outside of Amsterdam are not the same. Online organised doesn't mean from outside of Amsterdam.

 

This is not the first time in this thread you're making up things.

[coolcarer]

2 hours ago, stevenl said:

Those flags were there quite some time already.

People are carrying them, another one has a flag rapped round himself. You are making things up, how can the flags have been there before. The flags came when the people came. Flags that had nothing to do with the football match that did not feature a Palestine football team. 

[Nick Carter icp]

1 hour ago, stevenl said:

It's not the 17th century anymore. Across Europe and outside of Amsterdam are not the same. Online organised doesn't mean from outside of Amsterdam.

 

This is not the first time in this thread you're making up things.

 

Stop lying , I haven't made anything up .

People from various locations were discussing ambushing the Jews when they arrived in Amsterdam  .

   My point was that people went to Amsterdam specifically to attack Jews and they didn't go there for the Football  game .

   Here is an pre game inline post organising a meet up up attack Jews in Amsterdam 

 

 

[Nick Carter icp]

1 hour ago, stevenl said:

It's not the 17th century anymore. Across Europe and outside of Amsterdam are not the same. Online organised doesn't mean from outside of Amsterdam.

 

This is not the first time in this thread you're making up things.

 

   I read this and misunderstood , thought that PSG thugs from France were there , but the Parc des Princes isn't the stadium where the Maccabi Tel Aviv game was played 

 

 

"While fans of Israeli club Maccabi Tel Aviv were attacked in Amsterdam after their away Europa League clash against Ajax, PSG supporters unfurled a giant ‘Free Palestine’ banner at Parc des Princes in the Champions" League"

 

 

 

  

 

[Bkk Brian]

Football match excuses for the terrorist sympathizers have run out.

 

"Random passersby in Amsterdam were once again approached on the street last night and asked to show their passports. Jews or people who appeared to be Jewish were threatened, says the Amsterdam police chief."

https://x.com/EFischberger/status/1855639123534471570

 

 

[mdr224]

18 hours ago, stevenl said:

It's not the 17th century anymore. Across Europe and outside of Amsterdam are not the same. Online organised doesn't mean from outside of Amsterdam.

 

This is not the first time in this thread you're making up things.

Typical terrorist supporting leftist

[stevenl]

31 minutes ago, mdr224 said:

Typical terrorist supporting leftist

Any argument or only ad hominem?

 

There are now clear reports of the maccabi supporters causing mayhem before being attacked.

[Bkk Brian]

46 minutes ago, mdr224 said:

Typical terrorist supporting leftist

Or making excuses for it like they ripped a Palestinian flag down and did some shouting, like that gives permission to go on a Jew Hunt and attack them all. The same rhetoric used by the Hamas supporters, oh they deserved 7th Oct because...............

 

 

[Nick Carter icp]

The violence continues in Amsterdam .

Thius attacking Jews

 

'Cancer Jews': Trams set alight, violence erupts in Amsterdam in second wave of violence

 

 

 

https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-828672

 

Muslims in Europe attacking Jews because they want Jews to leave the Middle East and go back to Europe 

 

 

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

Maybe someone burnt another flag or maybe the excuses have just run dry............................

 

 

“Cancer Jews” they yell repeatedly before setting a train on fire in Amsterdam. This comes days after violent mobs attacked Jews in the streets. Mehdi will be along shortly to tell you the train and the Jews had it coming.

 

[Evil Penevil]

On 11/10/2024 at 10:21 PM, Bkk Brian said:

Football match excuses for the terrorist sympathizers have run out.

 

"Random passersby in Amsterdam were once again approached on the street last night and asked to show their passports. Jews or people who appeared to be Jewish were threatened, says the Amsterdam police chief."

 

It's particularly disturbing that on the  anniversary of Kristallnacht, Jews were once again hunted on the streets of a European city.  Historians say Kristallnacht  marked the start of the Holocaust.  Let's hope things don't get any worse, but I'm not optimistic.  Manifestations of antisemitism, including physical attacks on Jews, have reached the highest point in Europe and North America since WWII.  

 

What does give me some encouragement is the strong condemnation of Amsterdam's "Jew hunt" by leaders and organizations in the Netherlands, Europe and the rest of the world.  The statements by Dutch King Willem-Alexander were especially insightful.  He said the attacks were reminiscent of “dark and grim times for the Jewish people.”  He went on to note:   “We failed the Jewish community of the Netherlands during World War II, and last night we failed again.” 

 

On the flip side, what's  extremely worrying is the attitude expressed by some posters in this thread- that  Jews deserved to be chased and assaulted because of chanting and a torn-down flag.  Chanting, even offensive chanting,  is part of European football culture.  Pulling an unauthorized Palestinian flag off the side of a building is a very minor offense that should have been left to the police.  Same-same with harassment of a taxi driver.

 

Minor transgressions by a few Maccabi Tel Aviv fans a day or hours before the match by no means justify a massive hunt for Jews by gangs of attackers on scooters after the match.  The response is totally out of proportion to the so-called provocation.  How many hundreds of times in the past 13 months have pro-Palestinian protestors chanted for the destruction of Israel and its citizens?  Many anti-Israel demonstrations have involved pulling down or burning Israeli flags.  Other  than Jewish supporters of Israel, no one seemed very put out by such actions.  Even when pro-Palestinian protestors caused millions of dollars of damage through campus occupations in Europe and North America, the response was very muted.

 

In truth, the hunt for Jews in Amsterdam had nothing to do with football hooliganism.  It was just one more example of the wave of hatred of Jews that's swept across the world.  It's the rawest form of Jew hatred and anyone who fails to recognize that is deep in the ranks of antisemitism.

Edited November 12 by Evil Penevil

[jimmybcool]

Why are European nations allowing violence from hate groups operate with impunity?  if this were white Europeans attacking black immigrants I suspect police use of batons and mass arrests including tracking down the online organizers.  But since it is muslims atacking jews it's OK?  Or are they afraid of muslims?  When did Europe lose it's balls?

[stevenl]

7 hours ago, Evil Penevil said:

 

It's particularly disturbing that on the  anniversary of Kristallnacht, Jews were once again hunted on the streets of a European city.  Historians say Kristallnacht  marked the start of the Holocaust.  Let's hope things don't get any worse, but I'm not optimistic.  Manifestations of antisemitism, including physical attacks on Jews, have reached the highest point in Europe and North America since WWII.  

 

What does give me some encouragement is the strong condemnation of Amsterdam's "Jew hunt" by leaders and organizations in the Netherlands, Europe and the rest of the world.  The statements by Dutch King Willem-Alexander were especially insightful.  He said the attacks were reminiscent of “dark and grim times for the Jewish people.”  He went on to note:   “We failed the Jewish community of the Netherlands during World War II, and last night we failed again.” 

 

On the flip side, what's  extremely worrying is the attitude expressed by some posters in this thread- that  Jews deserved to be chased and assaulted because of chanting and a torn-down flag.  Chanting, even offensive chanting,  is part of European football culture.  Pulling an unauthorized Palestinian flag off the side of a building is a very minor offense that should have been left to the police.  Same-same with harassment of a taxi driver.

 

Minor transgressions by a few Maccabi Tel Aviv fans a day or hours before the match by no means justify a massive hunt for Jews by gangs of attackers on scooters after the match.  The response is totally out of proportion to the so-called provocation.  How many hundreds of times in the past 13 months have pro-Palestinian protestors chanted for the destruction of Israel and its citizens?  Many anti-Israel demonstrations have involved pulling down or burning Israeli flags.  Other  than Jewish supporters of Israel, no one seemed very put out by such actions.  Even when pro-Palestinian protestors caused millions of dollars of damage through campus occupations in Europe and North America, the response was very muted.

 

In truth, the hunt for Jews in Amsterdam had nothing to do with football hooliganism.  It was just one more example of the wave of hatred of Jews that's swept across the world.  It's the rawest form of Jew hatred and anyone who fails to recognize that is deep in the ranks of antisemitism.

"On the flip side, what's extremely worrying is the attitude expressed by some posters in this thread- that Jews deserved to be chased and assaulted."

Which wasn't said nor implied. Also your other claims regarding posters here are not correct.

[Bkk Brian]

3 minutes ago, stevenl said:

"On the flip side, what's extremely worrying is the attitude expressed by some posters in this thread- that Jews deserved to be chased and assaulted."

Which wasn't said nor implied. Also your other claims regarding posters here are not correct.

Which wasn't said nor implied. Also your other claims regarding posters here are not correct.

 

Have you read each post to confirm that claim?

[stevenl]

33 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Which wasn't said nor implied. Also your other claims regarding posters here are not correct.

 

Have you read each post to confirm that claim?

I read threads i post in, you should do the same.

[Bkk Brian]

3 minutes ago, stevenl said:

I read threads i post in, you should do the same.

You are now claiming I don't read the posts, how do you work that one out?

[pattayasan]

On 11/9/2024 at 6:36 PM, Nick Carter icp said:

 

    Anti Israelis organised a mob to attack the Israelis when they arrived , it was an organised gang attack by the anti Israelis and that was nothing to do with the football game .

   Anti Isrealis had organised their attack beforehand

 

Those who organized the retaliation had no clue that there might be incitement, right?

[Nick Carter icp]

"How do you know that the Israelis didn't start it?

Personally, I don't know. The information is conflicting. "

 

   The Anti Israel's arranged a violent attack on the arriving Israelis , it was planned before the game and the anti Israelis were their enmass with their Palestinian flags taunting the arriving Israelis

[pattayasan]

Fact check: Amsterdam video doesn't show attack on Israelis

 

DW Fact check: False

The video by De Graaf actually shows supporters of the Israeli soccer club Maccabi Tel Aviv attacking locals around Amsterdam Central Station.

 

https://www.dw.com/en/fact-check-amsterdam-video-doesnt-show-attack-on-israelis/a-70763374

 

[pattayasan]

Footage shows Maccabi supporters attack Amsterdammers

 

The German media reported that De Graaf's video shows Israeli football fans being beaten up by Amsterdammers and not the other way around.

The Amsterdam-based photographer contacted the German media outlets to have this rectified. The footage has since either been deleted by the various media outlets or the context and content of the video have been corrected.

 

https://nltimes.nl/2024/11/10/footage-shows-maccabi-supporters-attack-amsterdammers

[candide]

4 hours ago, pattayasan said:

Fact check: Amsterdam video doesn't show attack on Israelis

 

DW Fact check: False

The video by De Graaf actually shows supporters of the Israeli soccer club Maccabi Tel Aviv attacking locals around Amsterdam Central Station.

 

https://www.dw.com/en/fact-check-amsterdam-video-doesnt-show-attack-on-israelis/a-70763374

 

For obvious historical reasons, the Germans are very careful about what they write about Israeli, and DW has a very good reputation, so I tend to believe it.

 

Anyway, the investigation will later show what exactly happened, in particular the sequence of events during this night. Let's be cautious.

Edited November 13 by candide

[pattayasan]

2 minutes ago, candide said:

For obvious historical reasons, the Germans are very careful about what they write about Israeli, and DW has a very good reputation, so I tend to believe it.

 

Anyway, the investigation will later show what exactly happened, in particular the sequence of events during this night.

 

There is a zeteo YT video where Hasan interviews the photographer who took the video. I don't think it's acceptable to post it here as not MSM

[candide]

3 minutes ago, pattayasan said:

 

There is a zeteo YT video where Hasan interviews the photographer who took the video. I don't think it's acceptable to post it here as not MSM

Let's be cautious as we don't know the precise sequence of events.

 

There have been many attacks on Jews in Europe in the recent past, so it would not be a wild assumption to think that pro-Palestinian people would also have attacked Israeli supporters.

[pattayasan]

2 minutes ago, candide said:

Let's be cautious as we don't know the precise sequence of events.

 

There have been many attacks on Jews in Europe in the recent past, so it would not be a wild assumption to think that pro-Palestinian people would also have attacked Israeli supporters.

 

They likely did but the videos which originally purported to show that happening were actually the opposite.

 

I notice the usual suspects have gone to ground.

[Bkk Brian]

13 minutes ago, pattayasan said:

 

They likely did but the videos which originally purported to show that happening were actually the opposite.

 

I notice the usual suspects have gone to ground.

Dutch king says his nation failed Jewish community during football fan attacks – like during Second World War

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/amsterdam-israel-football-ajax-maccabi-attacks-king-netherlands-b2643792.html

 

Is this one of the usual suspects? 

[pattayasan]

8 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Dutch king says his nation failed Jewish community during football fan attacks – like during Second World War

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/amsterdam-israel-football-ajax-maccabi-attacks-king-netherlands-b2643792.html

 

Is this one of the usual suspects? 

 

You were warned on page 1 of this topic that the video did not show Israelis being attacked but you declared the warning "rubbish".

 

You denied that Maccabi fans started it. You said "Muslim mobs in Amsterdam are hunting Jews tonight. I wish this was fiction. It's not. "

 

and then, after further insistence from the same poster: "There you go again. You made a claim and cant prove it, your lying"

 

and then "Still waiting for the link to that claim and a link to her crediblity to identifying the nationalities of a savage mob attacking one or two people"

 

and then "The name is not needed from him, its already on the Reuters vid in black and white........you lot  & no she does not confirm that on this video and even if she did, did she actually speak to them and confirm that this fighting mob were Israeli? Because it shows a savage gang attacking  Jews as described in the OP by Officials on the BBC website and Reuters"

 

Now that you have the link will you now apologize? You could not have been more wrong.

 

 

 

Edited November 13 by pattayasan

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, pattayasan said:

 

You were warned on page 1 of this topic that the video did not show Israelis being attacked but you declared the warning "rubbish".

 

You denied that Maccabi fans started it. You said "Muslim mobs in Amsterdam are hunting Jews tonight. I wish this was fiction. It's not. "

 

and then, after further insistence from the same poster: "There you go again. You made a claim and cant prove it, your lying"

 

and then "Still waiting for the link to that claim and a link to her crediblity to identifying the nationalities of a savage mob attacking one or two people"

 

Now that you have the link will you now apologize?

 

 

 

Muslim mobs were hunting Jews, nothing like blaming the victims eh

[pattayasan]

Just now, Bkk Brian said:

Muslim mobs were hunting Jews, nothing like blaming the victims eh

 

I'm not denying that. I'm saying you called out people as liars about the video. Will you now retract that?

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, pattayasan said:

 

I'm not denying that. I'm saying you called out people as liars about the video. Will you now retract that?

Quote my exact post and comment on the exact video so I can make a call on that. 

[pattayasan]

Just now, Bkk Brian said:

Quote my exact post and comment on the exact video so I can make a call on that. 

 

I quoted several of your posts where you called the person who warned you a liar.