DTV or retirement visa ?

[DrJack54]

2 hours ago, Scouse123 said:

If I was to get the soft power under medical reasons, I have the ability to prove, I need to get a medical procedure done by an ENT surgeon every 4–6 months, so it could work for me.

Indeed. There are a few "genuine" candidates for soft power options.

• Muay Thai courses
• Thai cooking courses
• Sports training
• Medical treatment
• Seminars
• Music festivals 

Agents are already offering packages to places such a as Savannakhet to obtain DTV.

Ultimately this visa will be heavily abused.

I'm surprised that "Chess" is not on the soft power options listed above. 

[RoninTech]

4 hours ago, Scouse123 said:

My issue, same as other long term expats is that once it gets abused, which it will, how swift and what sweeping changes will come into effect, changing the criteria in obtaining one.

 

Aren't Non-O Retirement visas/extensions also abused all the time by people without the 800K/65K who just pay agents to fake the money in a Thai bank requirement?  Has the Non-O retirement had sweeping changes due to those abuses?

 

As long as you meet the stated requirements and don't use any sketchy workarounds I don't see why the DTV would be picked on any differently than say the Non-O retirement.

 

P.S. What a week to be a Red! 😀

[Phillip9]

5 minutes ago, RoninTech said:

Aren't Non-O Retirement visas/extensions also abused all the time by people without the 800K/65K who just pay agents to fake the money in a Thai bank requirement?  Has the Non-O retirement had sweeping changes due to those abuses?

 

The difference with those abuses is that immigration is making a lot of money off of them, so they tolerate it.  

 

Immigration seems to make nothing off the DTV and that alone could lead them to hassle DTV holders. 

[Scouse123]

13 minutes ago, RoninTech said:

 

Aren't Non-O Retirement visas/extensions also abused all the time by people without the 800K/65K who just pay agents to fake the money in a Thai bank requirement?  Has the Non-O retirement had sweeping changes due to those abuses?

 

As long as you meet the stated requirements and don't use any sketchy workarounds I don't see why the DTV would be picked on any differently than say the Non-O retirement.

 

P.S. What a week to be a Red! 😀

 

I have to agree with @Phillip9, as you are aware, immigration is directly involved, even through agents, with the Non-0 process of extensions.

 

With the DTV being granted through the MFA, the immigration noses could well get put out of joint, as if enough people move to them, it would greatly have a bearing on one of their lucrative income streams.

 

Yes, Real Madrid sorted, and Man City slaughtered, it should have been 5-0, but we will take 2-0!

 

Even at this early stage now, it's Liverpool’s title to lose, I just hope they don't fall to pieces or get injury hit, plus the contracts of Salah and Co becoming a distraction.

[Scouse123]

3 hours ago, Phillip9 said:

 

So just change back to a retirement visa if that ever happens.  No big deal.  

 

 

That's my plan, applying in Cambodia next month.

 

My retirement doesn't expire while July.

 

I want to get it before any further changes come in to play (if it gets abused, already agents arranging trips for DTV visas), and I am informed once you have it, you can just hold on to it, without using it until later in the year.

[RoninTech]

On 12/3/2024 at 9:51 AM, Scouse123 said:

I am informed once you have it, you can just hold on to it, without using it until later in the year.

 

Makes sense.  As it is now you could wait  4 years and 364 days before entering on it then come in and get 180 days and a 180 day extension on top of that.  So if you time it right the DTV can be a 6 year visa.

 

I grew up with Shankly/Paisley and never thought I'd see this kind of progression again.  Long may it continue.  🙂

[RoninTech]

On 12/3/2024 at 9:37 AM, Phillip9 said:

 

The difference with those abuses is that immigration is making a lot of money off of them, so they tolerate it.  

 

Immigration seems to make nothing off the DTV and that alone could lead them to hassle DTV holders. 

Yeah, I guess the only way they could get in on the act is if people decide to extend the DTV in-country.  I imagine most DTV'ers will just bounce out and back rather than extending to minimize any interaction with immigration.

[Scouse123]

6 hours ago, RoninTech said:

 

Makes sense.  As it is now you could wait  4 years and 364 days before entering on it then come in and get 180 days and a 180 day extension on top of that.  So if you time it right the DTV can be a 6 year visa.

 

I grew up with Shankly/Paisley and never thought I'd see this kind of progression again.  Long may it continue.  🙂

 

 

Me as well.

[Caldera]

On 12/3/2024 at 9:51 AM, Scouse123 said:

 

That's my plan, applying in Cambodia next month.

 

My retirement doesn't expire while July.

 

I want to get it before any further changes come in to play (if it gets abused, already agents arranging trips for DTV visas), and I am informed once you have it, you can just hold on to it, without using it until later in the year.

 

You mean you have a retirement extension that expires next July, with a matching re-entry permit? You plan to go to Cambodia to apply for a DTV, re-enter Thailand on your still valid retirement extension and start using the DTV after your retirement extension expires?

[DrJack54]

17 minutes ago, Caldera said:

 

You mean you have a retirement extension that expires next July, with a matching re-entry permit? You plan to go to Cambodia to apply for a DTV, re-enter Thailand on your still valid retirement extension and start using the DTV after your retirement extension expires?

I also didn't follow the post you quoted.

To activate the DTV he would need exit Thailand again to Cambodia without reentry permit and reenter Thailand with the DTV.

Perhaps current reentry permit is single reentry. 

[Scouse123]

3 hours ago, Caldera said:

 

You mean you have a retirement extension that expires next July, with a matching re-entry permit? You plan to go to Cambodia to apply for a DTV, re-enter Thailand on your still valid retirement extension and start using the DTV after your retirement extension expires?

 

That's the idea.

[Scouse123]

2 hours ago, DrJack54 said:

I also didn't follow the post you quoted.

To activate the DTV he would need exit Thailand again to Cambodia without reentry permit and reenter Thailand with the DTV.

Perhaps current reentry permit is single reentry. 

 

 

My idea was to keep the DTV delivered by email unused, and hold it until the expiry of my retirement extension.

 

My understanding is it only comes into force from the date it is first used, when granted. So , if it is dated January 2025 until January 2030, I will just lose the six months, using retirement extension until July 2025.

 

I have multiple re-entry permit.

 

That way, if I am granted the DTV, it can just take over in July from retirement extension Non-Imm O.

 

That is, if my thinking is correct.

 

What I am hoping to avoid is a load of additional clauses or changes that the government may bring in to the DTV, if they feel it isn't being used in the spirit it was granted.

 

I was basing it on this:

 

 

Edited yesterday at 02:03 PM by Scouse123

[DrJack54]

5 minutes ago, Scouse123 said:

My idea was to keep the DTV delivered by email unused, and hold it until the expiry of my retirement extension.

 

My understanding is it only comes into force from the date it is first used, unless it has a use by date stamped when granted.

 

I have multiple re-entry permit.

You will need to exit Thailand to Cambodia and reenter Thailand after expiry of reentry permit to activate DTV.

Out of interest for others.,

What category for DVT did you chose 

[Scouse123]

7 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

You will need to exit Thailand to Cambodia and reenter Thailand after expiry of reentry permit to activate DTV.

 

 

Yes,  I thought that.

But if I have the DTV, it would be better than risking the chance of my retirement extension having already expired, then being refused a DTV.

[DrJack54]

3 minutes ago, Scouse123 said:

 

Yes,  I thought that.

But if I have the DTV, it would be better than risking the chance of my retirement extension having already expired, then being refused a DTV.

Thinking forum will appreciate your follow up experience.

Please update after you reenter with your DVT.

I'm jealous old guy on annual extensions.

[Scouse123]

2 hours ago, DrJack54 said:

Thinking forum will appreciate your follow up experience.

Please update after you reenter with your DVT.

I'm jealous old guy on annual extensions.

 

I will let you know the outcome of both the January application and the re-entry if all goes smooth.

 

I am really focussed on getting the application right.

 

Likewise, I have just had a friend apply in the UK for DTV, they have asked him for a lot more information, including, Flight bookings, companies house records, salary records and proof he is a director.

 

 He differs from myself as he has applied for the DTV based on his company and his ability to work anywhere in the world, with a computer internet connection.

 

Fortunately for him, he has all this information to hand.

[DrJack54]

6 hours ago, Scouse123 said:

 He differs from myself as he has applied for the DTV based on his company and his ability to work anywhere in the world, with a computer internet connection

Which soft power options are you opting for