8 hours ago, dinsdale said:

Ah! Please. If your anti-mRNA jabs you must be anti vax. That's what the sheep of this world believe that's for sure. As for anti-mandate it's incredible that healthy young people were forced to take a jab or two. I recommend having a look at the above paper I linked. It's very interesting. 

 

8 hours ago, JonnyF said:

Another great move by Trump.

 

The way Covid vaccines were forced on people was a disgrace. Funny how all the "my body my choice" mob were quite happy to force/shame people into taking these rushed vaccines. 

 

+/-20% of the US population remain unvaccinated against COVID and +/-10% in England. This knocks your theory that the population was forced into taking the vaccine into a cocked hat. 

 

Whether to be vaccinated (or not) was, quite rightly, left to the individual.

2 minutes ago, RayC said:

 

 

+/-20% of the US population remain unvaccinated against COVID and +/-10% in England. This knocks your theory that the population was forced into taking the vaccine into a cocked hat. 

 

Whether to be vaccinated (or not) was, quite rightly, left to the individual.

Many people had a choice between keeping their job or losing it. This was mandated vaccination.

11 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

I was under the impression fluoride in the stomach was poison, and it only did good while washing past the teeth.

You're supposed to spit out fluoride toothpaste .... According to the instructions.

https://www.cooldental.ca/blog/why-you-shouldnt-swallow-toothpaste#:~:text=If you swallow a small,to appear on their teeth.

 

One of the problems is no source can be trusted!

 

As for polio, it's gone, no need for everyone to be vaccinated against a disease that's gone.

 

And COVID, I caught it right at the start before the vaccine, and it was just like a normal cold, so I don't believe I needed the vaccine.

Anything is poisonous if ingested in sufficient quantity. It's quite humorous a person who iimbibes a Class 1 carcinogen on a daily basis should be so worried about whether he swallows toothpaste, or spits it out.

 

You are wrong about polio. It is still endemic in Pakistan and Afghanistan. I know a WHO doctor who has worked there. The main problem is vaccine hesitancy, fueled by mullahs still living in the Middle Ages.

 

You are a statistical sample of one. There's a population of  7 million people who would disagree with your description of COVID being just a cold, if they were still around to do so.
 

The data says unvaccinated COVID patients were 6-7 times more like to need ICU treatment. IMO you were one of the lucky ones.

 

 

Just now, dinsdale said:

Many people had a choice between keeping their job or losing it. This was mandated vaccination.

 

No it wasn't. It was a change in the conditions of employment. You either accepted it or you didn't. The choice rested with the individual.

1 minute ago, dinsdale said:

Many people had a choice between keeping their job or losing it. This was mandated vaccination.

Mandated for people working in close contact with the public.

 

Please explain why such people should be permitted to jeopardize the health of others because of their personal choices.

Just now, RayC said:

 

No it wasn't. It was a change in the conditions of employment. You either accepted it or you didn't. The choice rested with the individual.

Get jabbed or lose your job. Not much of a choice for people with families and mortgages for example. A teacher friend of mine in Thailand was told straight out if he didn't get jabbed he would be sacked. This happened in all western countries. Doctors, nurses, police, teachers etc. were threatened with the sack if they refused being jabbed. Sort of takes away choice somewhat don't you think.

4 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Mandated for people working in close contact with the public.

 

Please explain why such people should be permitted to jeopardize the health of others because of their personal choices.

Vaccination did not stop contraction or transmission. I thought this is now widely accepted.

2 minutes ago, RayC said:

 

No it wasn't. It was a change in the conditions of employment. You either accepted it or you didn't. The choice rested with the individual.

There was no choice ,when it was a “choice“ of  jab or losing job, lively hood,home

, business right to work...that is not a choice that is cohersion and should be tried under the Geneva convention trail number II

Just now, dinsdale said:

Vaccination did not stop contraction or transmission. I thought this is now widely accepted.

Vaccines reduced the incidence of contraction, and the severity of symptoms enabling transmission. I thought that was widely accepted.

6 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Vaccines reduced the incidence of contraction, and the severity of symptoms enabling transmission. I thought that was widely accepted.

Did it stop transmission like vaccines are meant to do? This is a Yes/No question.

30 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

I was under the impression fluoride in the stomach was poison, and it only did good while washing past the teeth.

 

Anything kills. It's a matter of quantity, and fluoride is no exception. But we are talking of quantities of 3-5 mg per kg of body mass. 

Children toothpaste usually contains less fluoride typically between 100 ppm and 1,400 ppm. Adults' toothpaste between 1,350 to 1,500 ppm.

Assuming the maximum concentration of 1,000 ppm, it would take the ingestion of a whole 150g toothpaste tube to poison, with a dose of 3 mg/kg, a 75kg healthy adult.

 

The ethanol in your beer causes severe intoxication and the fatal dose in adults is approximately 5-8 g/kg body weight. But no worries: chronic ethanol users may have a much higher lethal level. 😀

 

8 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Please explain why such people should be permitted to jeopardize the health of others because of their personal choices.

The “vaccine“ did not stop transmission as admitted by Pfizer executive

 

 

11 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Did it stop transmission like vaccines are meant to do?

This statement indicates a fundamental misunderstanding about vaccines.

12 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Did it stop transmission like vaccines are meant to do? This is a Yes/No question.

Answer my question first. What entitles employees in close contact with the public to endanger their health?

14 minutes ago, AndreasHG said:

 

 

 

The ethanol in your beer causes severe intoxication and the fatal dose in adults is approximately 5-8 g/kg body weight. But no worries: chronic ethanol users may have a much higher lethal level. 😀

 

Chronic ethanol users end up passing blood along with their feces, as their liver disintegrates. It's a slow and painful way to die.

RFK jr, the ex heroin addict, will be a great influence on global health. 

Nothing wrong with a little bloodletting. 
 

Edited November 11, 20241 yr by Dcheech

20 minutes ago, johng said:

The “vaccine“ did not stop transmission as admitted by Pfizer executive

 

 

I guess your generalisation applies to all other brands. Moderna, AZ, Sinovac, J&J, Novovax.

 

As another poster has said, you don't understand how vaccines function.

 

 

Based on what he has said, his plan is to stop corruption in medicine and decrease the garbage allowed into food. 

 

Of course there are now hit-pieces in the left-wing media.

51 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

Based on what he has said, his plan is to stop corruption in medicine and decrease the garbage allowed into food. 

 

Of course there are now hit-pieces in the left-wing media.

Please tell me why a guy who has had his brains scrambled by 14 years of heroin addiction, is fit to be America's health czar.

 

Although I suppose it's the new normal for a felon President to make appointments like that.

 

American food has always been garbage, no additives needed.

 

 

10 hours ago, sherwood said:

As I've said before, the left are exactly what they accuse you of being. 

That's a perverted version of reality which is,
 

"Went Republicans make an accusation it's a confession."

2 hours ago, amexpat said:

That's a perverted version of reality which is,
 

"Went Republicans make an accusation it's a confession."

You want to quote me, that's fine but try getting it right.

You posted someone else quote.

Try a bit harder next time.

 

1 hour ago, johng said:

There was no choice ,when it was a “choice“ of  jab or losing job, lively hood,home

, business right to work...that is not a choice that is cohersion and should be tried under the Geneva convention trail number II

 

6 hours ago, dinsdale said:

Get jabbed or lose your job. Not much of a choice for people with families and mortgages for example. A teacher friend of mine in Thailand was told straight out if he didn't get jabbed he would be sacked. This happened in all western countries. Doctors, nurses, police, teachers etc. were threatened with the sack if they refused being jabbed. Sort of takes away choice somewhat don't you think.

 

6 hours ago, johng said:

The “vaccine“ did not stop transmission as admitted by Pfizer executive

 

 

 

6 hours ago, johng said:

There was no choice ,when it was a “choice“ of  jab or losing job, lively hood,home

, business right to work...that is not a choice that is cohersion and should be tried under the Geneva convention trail number II

 

The Pfizer executive did not say that the vaccine "did not stop transmission". Pfizer stated that their vaccine was not tested to see whether it reduced the incidence of transmission before it was launched. However, Initial studies did indeed suggest that the vaccine reduced the incidence of transmission of the virus, although later studies have questioned this conclusion (hindsight is a wonderful thing).

 

Given what was known at the time (2021), why should an individual, who didn't wish to be vaccinated, be permitted to increase my risk of contamination? I certainly didn't sanction it. These individuals knew that by refusing to be vaccinated, they might lose their jobs. The decision whether to vaccinate was forced upon them, but they were not coerced into being vaccinated: The decision was the individual's and the individual's alone.

9 hours ago, Lacessit said:

I believe public health measures are for the public good.

 

Tell me, if you want freedom of choice, are you willing to fund the cost of repair of your teeth?

 

Or if you are an anti-vaxxer, refusing polio and COVID shots, will you pay for an iron lung or ICU out of your own pocket?

 

Or will you want to use the public health system?

 

Fluoridated toothpaste is a topical application. Ingestion of fluoride is necessary to strengthen teeth inside and out.

 

Of course they'll fall back on public health. Like their hero Ayn Rand. After her ridiculous (and barely readable) book was published, she died penniless in a public hospital living off welfare.

 

17 hours ago, dinsdale said:

This should be enough to open anyone's eyes sadly there are none so blind as to those who will not see.

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/09246479241292008

 

What a joke. The article uses the VAERS data, which provides no validation that the reported event is actually caused by a vaccine! And anyone, including antivax nutters, can report as often as he wants!  🤣

 

• The Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) is one of several different systems CDC uses to monitor the safety of vaccines.
• VAERS accepts and analyzes reports of adverse events (any side effect or health problem after vaccination that is concerning to you, even if you are not sure if the vaccine caused the event).
• Anyone — patients, family members, healthcare providers and vaccine manufacturers — can submit a report to VAERS. Healthcare providers and vaccine manufacturers are legally required to report certain events after vaccination.
• A report to VAERS does not mean that a vaccine caused an adverse event.
• If it looks as though a vaccine might be associated with a health problem, CDC and FDA investigate further and take action if needed.

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccine-safety-systems/vaers/index.html

The truth about Covid vaccine effect on deaths! 😃

Trump voters died more than Biden voters because they listened to antivax nutters and had a lower vaccination rate than people who voted democrats!

 

The results suggest that well-documented differences in vaccination attitudes and reported uptake between Republican and Democratic voters may have been factors in the severity and trajectory of the pandemic," the authors wrote.

 

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/covid-19/political-party-affiliation-linked-excess-covid-deaths

 

Researchers from Yale University who studied the pandemic's effects on those two states say that from the pandemic's start in March 2020 through December 2021, "excess mortality was significantly higher for Republican voters than Democratic voters after COVID-19 vaccines were available to all adults, but not before."

More specifically, the researchers say, their adjusted analysis found that "the excess death rate among Republican voters was 43% higher than the excess death rate among Democratic voters" after vaccine eligibility was opened.

 

https://www.npr.org/2023/07/25/1189939229/covid-deaths-democrats-republicans-gap-study

Edited November 11, 20241 yr by candide

14 hours ago, Lacessit said:

I believe public health measures are for the public good.

 

Tell me, if you want freedom of choice, are you willing to fund the cost of repair of your teeth?

 

Or if you are an anti-vaxxer, refusing polio and COVID shots, will you pay for an iron lung or ICU out of your own pocket?

 

Or will you want to use the public health system?

 

Fluoridated toothpaste is a topical application. Ingestion of fluoride is necessary to strengthen teeth inside and out.

And yet you see nothing wrong with using public funds for abortion and birth control? 

 

I thought it was my body, my choice, or is that only when you want to kill babies?

14 hours ago, Lacessit said:

I believe public health measures are for the public good.

 

Yes, you used the correct expression 'I believe' ,  but the actual track record of mandated public health measures is absolutely horrendous as the covid-debacle has shown us now without dispute. 

Business closures, face masks, asocial distancing, mandating dangerous, useless and unnecessary jabs were all stuffed down our throats 'for the common good''.  And several billion $ of propaganda was needed to convince the non-thinking into believing that crap.    

 

13 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

Yes, you used the correct expression 'I believe' ,  but the actual track record of mandated public health measures is absolutely horrendous as the covid-debacle has shown us now without dispute. 

Business closures, face masks, asocial distancing, mandating dangerous, useless and unnecessary jabs were all stuffed down our throats 'for the common good''.  And several billion $ of propaganda was needed to convince the non-thinking into believing that crap.    

 

 

The US had horrendous death stats only because Trump downplayed the virus and worked against measures to combat it. Every other peer nation did far better. Australia was a case in point where the virus was taken seriously.

16 hours ago, Lacessit said:

I don't disagree too much fluoride is toxic. After all, drinking too much water results in hyponatremia. As Paracelsus said, the dose makes the poison.

 

0.5 ppm of fluoride in drinking water is perfectly safe. However, the anti-fluoriders seize on the kind of data you are posting to say all fluoride is bad. Some of them may even be smoking like chimneys, and drinking like fish, when they make the claim.

 

I don't have a dog in this fight. Personally I don't care whether fluoride has been added; I think many people don't realise that it is not unusual for it to be a naturally occurring trace mineral in some tap water anyway.

 

2 hours ago, BKKBike09 said:

 

I don't have a dog in this fight. Personally I don't care whether fluoride has been added; I think many people don't realise that it is not unusual for it to be a naturally occurring trace mineral in some tap water anyway.

 

Anyone who drinks tea or coffee is getting a dose of fluoride.

 

Like grapes, raisins and shellfish? Loaded with it.