UK Pensioners in Thailand Face New Scrutiny Over Pension Fraud

[jori123]

20 minutes ago, DonniePeverley said:

 

 

Will get onto this. 

 

The level of old racists here heading to Phillippines once a year - very easy to spot whats going on.

 

Cancel their pensions. 

cannot by law oap must receive pension

[AlexRich]

36 minutes ago, DonniePeverley said:

 

 

Will get onto this. 

 

The level of old racists here heading to Phillippines once a year - very easy to spot whats going on.

 

Cancel their pensions. 

 

In a digital world with more and more connectivity between Government institutions like customs and benefits, combined with Artificial Intelligence, it is going to be much more difficult to claim a pension in the UK whilst living in Thailand. At some point they will catch up with you. 

 

They will run a programme that searches for people who have left the UK and not returned (or have been away long enough to be non resident)  and compare that to people claiming UK pension as a resident of the UK. The you will get a "nudge" letter asking you to explain yourself. 

 

Only a matter of time. 

 

[jori123]

4 minutes ago, AlexRich said:

 

In a digital world with more and more connectivity between Government institutions like customs and benefits, combined with Artificial Intelligence, it is going to be much more difficult to claim a pension in the UK whilst living in Thailand. At some point they will catch up with you. 

 

They will run a programme that searches for people who have left the UK and not returned (or have been away long enough to be non resident)  and compare that to people claiming UK pension as a resident of the UK. The you will get a "nudge" letter asking you to explain yourself. 

 

Only a matter of time. 

 

You think. Been saying this since  the  thread was formed ,was it 2012?  .Its a contributed pension, not means tested.

   Could leave the UK and travel anywhere EU  US anywhere, and they DWP can nudge all they want (they wont)  Its a non sanctionable, disqualifying benefit       Other means tested benefits definitely, but Id look be looking at the loss   ,yes 8.8% is a bit high to judge by but its a loss with compounding something like £82000 over something like 16 years

[DonniePeverley]

And these old sods sit there whinging about foreigners gaming the system, when they are doing the same exact thing. 

 

Racists is all they are. 

[georgegeorgia]

10 minutes ago, DonniePeverley said:

And these old sods sit there whinging about foreigners gaming the system, when they are doing the same exact thing. 

 

Racists is all they are. 

Oh absolutely Donnie 

Join me in calling for the UK government to increase their migration 

I would like to see migrants moved and housed in those small country villages and take them over ,tear all.those old buildings down and put up high rise housing I say 

 

I don't know why all the poms are not as lovely as you Donnie 

 

Edited Wednesday at 07:11 PM by georgegeorgia

[jori123]

9 minutes ago, DonniePeverley said:

And these old sods sit there whinging about foreigners gaming the system, when they are doing the same exact thing. 

 

Racists is all they are. 

Hah !    what I really like to see ,really are the reports of 35000 souls there in Birmingham unable to collect their benefits through language issues, all on cu

[DonniePeverley]

4 minutes ago, jori123 said:

Hah !    what I really like to see ,really are the reports of 35000 souls there in Birmingham unable to collect their benefits through language issues, all on cu

 

 

There you go .... it's like an inbuilt gene in them. I challenge anyone in Thailand to find me one British guy on a pension who isn't racist. 

[georgegeorgia]

9 minutes ago, DonniePeverley said:

 

 

There you go .... it's like an inbuilt gene in them. I challenge anyone in Thailand to find me one British guy on a pension who isn't racist. 

Yes nearly every one of them Donnie 

About time they embraced the diversity & culture of the aspects of migration and got over their Islamophobia 

I agree those quaint english villages must be used for immigration 

 

[AlexRich]

1 hour ago, jori123 said:

You think. Been saying this since  the  thread was formed ,was it 2012?  .Its a contributed pension, not means tested.

   Could leave the UK and travel anywhere EU  US anywhere, and they DWP can nudge all they want (they wont)  Its a non sanctionable, disqualifying benefit       Other means tested benefits definitely, but Id look be looking at the loss   ,yes 8.8% is a bit high to judge by but its a loss with compounding something like £82000 over something like 16 years

I think my point was that the technology will catch up with you eventually. And it is an offence to make a false claim. They are likely to want to recover any excess payment, and impose penalties. 
 

You are right that it is not means tested but I’m seeing articles in the media more and more that suggest that a Government might eventually go down that route for what they deem “wealthy pensioners”. You can’t rule that out in the future. 

[jori123]

49 minutes ago, AlexRich said:

I think my point was that the technology will catch up with you eventually. And it is an offence to make a false claim. They are likely to want to recover any excess payment, and impose penalties. 
 

You are right that it is not means tested but I’m seeing articles in the media more and more that suggest that a Government might eventually go down that route for what they deem “wealthy pensioners”. You can’t rule that out in the future. 

No it will not, not for OAP. Depending where its made and not likely to recover anything (regulations  Non sanctionable/disqualifying ) Yes more and more articles, bombarded with them, but its UC mainly and those howls will be getting much  louder ,especially from the 35000  in Birmingham , could include Bradford, Rotherham  Blackburn too.  Good eh!  Cannot access claim forms thru language barriers

[jori123]

1 hour ago, DonniePeverley said:

 

 

There you go .... it's like an inbuilt gene in them. I challenge anyone in Thailand to find me one British guy on a pension who isn't racist. 

I'm racist to the core, do not want to share mud hut with Mr Um Bongo or share a flying carpet with Mohammed thank you      UK is becomes the most segregated country in the western world  ,and its OK

[georgegeorgia]

12 minutes ago, jori123 said:

I'm racist to the core, do not want to share mud hut with Mr Um Bongo or share a flying carpet with Mohammed thank you      UK is becomes the most segregated country in the western world  ,and its OK

Oh it's fantastic 

I'm glad the UK jailed that old bloke who was protesting against immigration ,he died in prison sadly 

What right did he have to protest against immigration and he racist 

Im glad they are buying all the old churches 

Diversity love and embracing the cultural enrichment 

 

[DonniePeverley]

1 hour ago, jori123 said:

I'm racist to the core, do not want to share mud hut with Mr Um Bongo or share a flying carpet with Mohammed thank you      UK is becomes the most segregated country in the western world  ,and its OK

 

 

Yet your an immigrant yourself. Irony lost. 

[sandyf]

On 11/27/2024 at 7:09 PM, jori123 said:

 

    ...all that too.    If you were in the forces, write to the veterans minister  at m o d,  those guys will turn water into wine for you, from signing up to the grave ,so they state.  Possibly  get you unfrozen.  They also state u have done your bit for the country ,now its our turn to help you.   Thank You

 

  Never understood Graduated or Serps,only when I retired it sure put the OAP up

I did write to the veterans minister a few years back, Johnny Mercer at the time. I got a reply from his wife, his secretary, saying he would be looking into it but never got any response from him, even though he put his name to the APPG.

As far as the government is concerned, if you want to live in certain jurisdictions, you are no longer thanked for your service. The discrimination became very obvious when this was said in 2019.

 

"Work and Pensions Secretary Dr Thérèse Coffey said:
Pensioners in Europe who have paid into the system for years deserve peace of mind over their future finances."

 

Yes, GP and SERPS are added to state pension but also frozen, although being specified as pension schemes.

[sandyf]

On 11/28/2024 at 2:59 AM, AlexRich said:

I think my point was that the technology will catch up with you eventually. And it is an offence to make a false claim. They are likely to want to recover any excess payment, and impose penalties. 

You are making the assumption that legislation cannot be infallible, if that was the case gay men would still go to prison.

The government will only right the wrongs of the past if they are pushed into it, on frozen pensions there is very little pushing.

[transam]

On 11/28/2024 at 4:00 AM, jori123 said:

I'm racist to the core, do not want to share mud hut with Mr Um Bongo or share a flying carpet with Mohammed thank you      UK is becomes the most segregated country in the western world  ,and its OK

Perhaps one day you can visit Thailand, but beware, the place is inhabited by folk you don't like....🤔

[jori123]

8 hours ago, transam said:

Perhaps one day you can visit Thailand, but beware, the place is inhabited by folk you don't like....🤔

  There all the time sunshine, and might I add are you sure of the "folk I don't like"  Most of one kind are in jail, and the other do not exist in TH

 

   But then I could ask about the stiff upper lip of yours, how is it holding up? and taking it on the chin on losing £82000  over the years you have been there in TH      I know @8.8% increase on OAP is a bit high ,rounded figure Id put at £60000 ,sixty thousand smackers over your time there. A bit hard on the weight on the wallet (or not) Id say.

  Reminiscent of a couple of bosses I had whilst in uniformed public sector there in UK  "how do you feel, how do you feel, passing the exams and people getting promoted before you"  Explained Id rather be sat on my arse all day.

   The question is how do you feel losing all that money ,and not sat on your arse all day. lol

[jori123]

On 11/27/2024 at 10:33 PM, DonniePeverley said:

 

 

Yet your an immigrant yourself. Irony lost. 

Nah Id say  the irony is not lost, there is a deal of difference. I'm paying my way, the other isn't.  Admitted I don't like 'em, seeing loads of them wandering up every high street, looking at every opportunity to improve themselves robbing and thieving    My understanding is ,do not come within a million miles of me and I sure as hell will not come a million miles of you

[Expat68]

1 hour ago, jori123 said:

  There all the time sunshine, and might I add are you sure of the "folk I don't like"  Most of one kind are in jail, and the other do not exist in TH

 

   But then I could ask about the stiff upper lip of yours, how is it holding up? and taking it on the chin on losing £82000  over the years you have been there in TH      I know @8.8% increase on OAP is a bit high ,rounded figure Id put at £60000 ,sixty thousand smackers over your time there. A bit hard on the weight on the wallet (or not) Id say.

  Reminiscent of a couple of bosses I had whilst in uniformed public sector there in UK  "how do you feel, how do you feel, passing the exams and people getting promoted before you"  Explained Id rather be sat on my arse all day.

   The question is how do you feel losing all that money ,and not sat on your arse all day. lol

If you are staying in a place where you do not like the people it is quite obvious that you are staying in the wrong place in Thailand 

[gearbox]

On 11/28/2024 at 4:00 AM, jori123 said:

I'm racist to the core, do not want to share mud hut with Mr Um Bongo or share a flying carpet with Mohammed thank you      UK is becomes the most segregated country in the western world  ,and its OK

Make up your mind...if you don't want to live with Mohammed your house price will decrease...a few countries rely on ever increasing immigration to keep the house prices rising. What a Brit is worth without real estate equity? Next to nothing.

[jori123]

47 minutes ago, gearbox said:

Make up your mind...if you don't want to live with Mohammed your house price will decrease...a few countries rely on ever increasing immigration to keep the house prices rising. What a Brit is worth without real estate equity? Next to nothing.

Id say the opposite, Mohammed will bring the value of your house crashing down if he came close.   Needs real estate to eventually pay for care home, no RE  free

[transam]

13 hours ago, jori123 said:

  There all the time sunshine, and might I add are you sure of the "folk I don't like"  Most of one kind are in jail, and the other do not exist in TH

 

   But then I could ask about the stiff upper lip of yours, how is it holding up? and taking it on the chin on losing £82000  over the years you have been there in TH      I know @8.8% increase on OAP is a bit high ,rounded figure Id put at £60000 ,sixty thousand smackers over your time there. A bit hard on the weight on the wallet (or not) Id say.

  Reminiscent of a couple of bosses I had whilst in uniformed public sector there in UK  "how do you feel, how do you feel, passing the exams and people getting promoted before you"  Explained Id rather be sat on my arse all day.

   The question is how do you feel losing all that money ,and not sat on your arse all day. lol

Is it snowing yet at your place......?   🥶            😂

[jori123]

9 hours ago, transam said:

Is it snowing yet at your place......?   🥶            😂

 

   How is it feeling losing at least £60000 quid?

[transam]

4 minutes ago, jori123 said:

 

   How is it feeling losing at least £60000 quid?

I haven't lost anything, is it snowing at your place.......?.......🥶....................😆

[The Cyclist]

On 11/28/2024 at 12:28 AM, jori123 said:

cannot by law oap must receive pension

 

 

The State Pension comes with a transfer code, something like this

 

????? / DWP / ??????
 

Anyone who is getting the State Pension paid to a UK account,  the new changes will allow the DWP to look into your account.

 

I wonder what will happen, when the look at an account, see multiple transfers out via wise or similar and no UK Transactional data, like the use of a debit card in the UK.

 

The ' Stop Payment ' button will be smacked and a letter will be sent out telling you your pension has been stopped and you have an interview in 2 days time to explain why it should be ' Unstopped '

 

Guess what is going to happen when you miss that interview ?

Edited 5 hours ago by The Cyclist

[jori123]

2 minutes ago, The Cyclist said:

 

 

The State Pension comes with a transfer code, something like this

 

????? / DWP / ??????
 

Anyone who is getting the State Pension paid to a UK account,  the new changes will allow the DWP to look into your account.

 

I wonder what will happen, when the look at an account, see multiple transfers out via wise or similar and no UK Transactional data, like the use of a debit card in the UK.

 

The ' Stop Payment ' button will be smacked and a letter will be sent out telling you your pension has been stopped and you have an interview in 2 days time to explain why it should be ' Unstopped '

 

Guess what is going to happen when you miss that interview ?

Is this correct  I do mean is it a fantasy of yours mixed in with a load of jealousy.

 

  I would not wonder anything sunshine, not to be, as stated  "the new changes "  not for SP ,but from your prospective Id look at DWP rules and regulations. There will be no "STOP PAYMENT "  lol  as by law pensioner must receive a pension, not "smacked with a letter" maybe your arse smacked as to false information

  You only have to guess at the non-interview  get on that bike and pedal off into the septic tank

[jori123]

15 minutes ago, transam said:

I haven't lost anything, is it snowing at your place.......?.......🥶....................😆

Hmmmmm   £60000

[transam]

1 minute ago, jori123 said:

Hmmmmm   £60000

Well, is it snowing, got the heating on..........?    😂

[jori123]

Just now, transam said:

Well, is it snowing, got the heating on..........?    😂

£60000 quid lost

[The Cyclist]

2 minutes ago, jori123 said:

Is this correct  I do mean is it a fantasy of yours mixed in with a load of jealousy.

 

Yes, it is correct.

 

Why would I have a load of jealousy ?
 

Ahhhhh, you think I am on a State Pension.

 

You thought wrong.