Teen Narrowly Escapes Alleged 'Honor Killing' by Parents Outside School

[Kinok Farang]

Had a regular Bangladeshi taxi driver back in Lancashire.Always took me home from the boozer Sat and Sunday lunchtime.He was the nicest guy imaginable and we became great mates.

On the only time we had a serious conversation he mentioned to me that if his daughter even thought about going out with a white boy,he would think nothing of beheading her.

Let that sink in.

[Jaggg88]

12 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Nothing to do with religion. There is nothing that I know of in the Koran to say that sort of thing should happen, but if you can prove there is a Koranic edict I'll take that back.

If it was a religious thing all the other Islamic countries would also have honour killings, but they don't.

 

It's a cultural thing and likely predates Islam.

You are correct, it is not a teaching in the Quran but it only exists now among Muslim communities because Islam is the only main religion that does not allow outside marriage or relationships. Therefore, it is not a cultural action but an act caused directly by the edicts of Islam. Many religions and communities practised honour killings centuries ago but it seems only the Muslim communities are perpetuating it in the 21st century. 

[richard_smith237]

14 minutes ago, Jaggg88 said:

You are correct, it is not a teaching in the Quran but it only exists now among Muslim communities because Islam is the only main religion that does not allow outside marriage or relationships. Therefore, it is not a cultural action but an act caused directly by the edicts of Islam. Many religions and communities practised honour killings centuries ago but it seems only the Muslim communities are perpetuating it in the 21st century. 

 

And while all of that is true…

 

If one simply asks: In which country are the greatest number of honour killings reported?

The answer is, predictably, Pakistan.

 

Thus, while it is fair to acknowledge that honour killings occur across various cultures and religions worldwide, the reality remains that some countries, such as Pakistan, are disproportionately associated with these abhorrent acts.

 

Deeply entrenched patriarchal norms and cultural practices are often culturally justified under the guise of Islam and perpetuate these heinous crimes.

[ibjoe]

There is no honor in killing, only shame. No respect for murderers.

[thaibeachlovers]

9 hours ago, Jaggg88 said:

Islam is the only main religion that does not allow outside marriage or relationships.

Rubbish. Plenty of marriages between Muslims and non Muslims. In Saudi I worked with an English ( non Muslim ) woman that married a Muslim. She didn't cover her hair at work either.

 

You may be confusing it with the edict that a Muslim can not stop being a Muslim.

[thaibeachlovers]

9 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

Deeply entrenched patriarchal norms and cultural practices are often culturally justified under the guise of Islam and perpetuate these heinous crimes.

Correct, just as the Spanish used Christianity to justify untold brutality by the inquisition. Nothing to do with the religion in either case.

[john donson]

multiculturalism in action

[MarkBR]

On 11/18/2024 at 5:21 AM, Yagoda said:

How do you protect women when the religion and culture mandate repression of women?

Evangelical Christianity wants the same power over women in the USA and other countries such as Russia

[Yagoda]

5 minutes ago, MarkBR said:

Evangelical Christianity wants the same power over women in the USA and other countries such as Russia

Show me the doctrine of any MAINSTREAM Christianity in the USA that wants the equivalent power of Wahabiism over women.

 

Show me the doctrine of any MAINSTREAM Christianity in the USA that requires women to wear Burkhas.

 

Know one cares about what they do in Russia, they are as barbaric as Muslims.

[Yagoda]

6 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Correct, just as the Spanish used Christianity to justify untold brutality by the inquisition. Nothing to do with the religion in either case.

Lets compare the 13th century to today. Great job.

[MarkBR]

16 minutes ago, MarkBR said:

Evangelical Christianity wants the same power over women in the USA and other countries such as Russia

In Russia it is the Russian Orthodox church - equally extreme as evangelical protestant christianity

[KannikaP]

On 11/18/2024 at 4:36 AM, thaibeachlovers said:

However, will they arrest him for having a 17 year old girlfriend?

Please explain. Nowhere does it mention their sexual relationship.

And is it illegal for 16 & 17 year olds to have sex in USA?

[richard_smith237]

7 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

16 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

Deeply entrenched patriarchal norms and cultural practices are often culturally justified under the guise of Islam and perpetuate these heinous crimes.

Correct, just as the Spanish used Christianity to justify untold brutality by the inquisition. Nothing to do with the religion in either case.

 

Your point of comparison is something that occurred in the 15th century and you are somehow using this normalise honour killings by Pakistani's in todays world ???

 

Surely you see the silliness in this analogy of yours...  Whats next, you'll mention the slave trade ?

[Yagoda]

5 minutes ago, MarkBR said:

In Russia it is the Russian Orthodox church - equally extreme as evangelical protestant christianity

Show me any Mainstream Christian organization that is as "extreme" as Orthodoxy.

 

Tell us what you mean by "extreme" in the context of the discussion.

 

Otherwise you are just spewing stupid Leftist slogans. I would not that the Left cannot tolerate any religion, except as it acts as useful idiots for them or as a weapon against the West.

[Enoon]

16 hours ago, Jaggg88 said:

You are correct, it is not a teaching in the Quran but it only exists now among Muslim communities because Islam is the only main religion that does not allow outside marriage or relationships. Therefore, it is not a cultural action but an act caused directly by the edicts of Islam. Many religions and communities practised honour killings centuries ago but it seems only the Muslim communities are perpetuating it in the 21st century. 

 

"only the Muslim communities are perpetuating it in the 21st century"

 

It still thrives among Hindus in India:

 

"The killing of couples defying caste norms of marriage such as caste endogamy and gotra
exogamy in India is given the nomenclature of ‘honour’ killings in English media."

 

https://www.jmc.ac.in/uploads/staticfiles/jmcreview/vol6/The JMC Review Mahima Varma.pdf

 

 

 

 

[richard_smith237]

6 minutes ago, Enoon said:

 

"only the Muslim communities are perpetuating it in the 21st century"

 

It still thrives among Hindus in India:

 

"The killing of couples defying caste norms of marriage such as caste endogamy and gotra
exogamy in India is given the nomenclature of ‘honour’ killings in English media."

 

https://www.jmc.ac.in/uploads/staticfiles/jmcreview/vol6/The JMC Review Mahima Varma.pdf

 

 

Facts: 

Honour Killings in India in 2019: 25

Honour Killings in India in 2020: 25

Honour Killings in India in 2021: 33

 

Honour Killings in Pakistan in 2021: 385

(Human rights defenders estimate that figure is closer to 1,000)

 

Thus:

Honour Killings in India occurs at a rate of 0.017 to 0.023 per Million of Population.

Honour Killings in Pakistan occurs at a rate of 1.5 to 3.9 per Million of Population.

 

Honour Killings in Pakistan occur at a rate approximately 88 to 175x greater than in India.

 

 

No matter how hard to avoid a harsh reality with these comparisons - the information remains absolutely damning against Pakistan. 

 

 

 

 

[Yagoda]

On 11/18/2024 at 12:05 PM, MarkBR said:

Indeed.  Given there is now a sexual predator to be the President again in USA.

And the so-called Christians want repression of women in the USA through men controlling women and what they decide about their own bodies.  Irony indeed.

Just bald faced lies.

[Yagoda]

52 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

Your point of comparison is something that occurred in the 15th century and you are somehow using this normalise honour killings by Pakistani's in todays world ???

 

Surely you see the silliness in this analogy of yours...  Whats next, you'll mention the slave trade ?

Slavery is a fact of life in the Muslim world. Always has been. Especially Black Muslims who would sell their own.

[thaibeachlovers]

On 11/19/2024 at 6:27 PM, KannikaP said:

Please explain. Nowhere does it mention their sexual relationship.

And is it illegal for 16 & 17 year olds to have sex in USA?

Seems that for the humour bereft I need to put a "Sarcasm" warning on my sarcastic posts.