Sleep aid for a long flight

[richard_smith237]

14 minutes ago, Hummin said:

When you have that kind of money, you have other worries and problems, than just sleep in a airplane. If not making money on the plane, better flying 1. class wherever you need to go, and trust me, Thailand wouldnt be one of those places anymore 😄

 

Really ???  Beckham, Zuckerberg, Musk... (amongst Many others) have all visited Thailand... 

 

Musk was even known to troll people on this forum under the moniker Bob Smith and sold his knockoff 36mm Rolex Datejust ref 16200 to an unsuspecting sex pest  

Edited Saturday at 05:44 AM by richard_smith237

[Hummin]

7 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

Really ???  Beckham, Zuckerberg, Musk... (amongst Many others) have all visited Thailand... 

 

Musk was even known to troll people on this forum under the moniker Bob Smith and sold his knockoff 36mm Rolex Datejust ref 16200 to an unsuspecting sex pest  

maybe I should said anymore 😉 Of course I will still visit in the future since my wife is from Thailand, but if I had that kind of money, I wouldnt been moving to Thailand, neither marry a thai. I always had a gf from the place I lived, and same for Thailand when I first moved here. 

 

And if I had that kind of money, I would had been busy making more money elsewhere, simple as that. 

 

Edit note, I would had lived in Switzerland, if I was that wealthy or in Norway, depending on my current situation and which businesses I would be involved in

Edited Saturday at 05:50 AM by Hummin

[richard_smith237]

8 minutes ago, Hummin said:

maybe I should said anymore 😉 Of course I will still visit in the future since my wife is from Thailand, but if I had that kind of money, I wouldnt been moving to Thailand, neither marry a thai. I always had a gf from the place I lived, and same for Thailand when I first moved here. 

 

And if I had that kind of money, I would had been busy making more money elsewhere, simple as that. 

 

Edit note, I would had lived in Switzerland, if I was that wealthy or in Norway, depending on my current situation and which businesses I would be involved in

 

Interesting point...   I always considered that if I had FU money...   where would I be.

 

I'm here now, so I'd probably stay here - but I'd probably also travel more than I already do.

 

My son is already in an Excellent school here - and I think its as good as top schools in the UK, so I might not change that - but Uni of course would be else where.

 

The world would then be a lot smaller because hopping on an over night First Class flight would be no trouble whatsoever...    We'd have houses in the area's we preferred.

 

I'd want to remain active in a business that isn't stressful....   I wouldn't want to just 'settle' into retirement doing nothing...  I already like the work I do and would be happy to continue for as long as I physically can, perhaps stepping back a little....   and of course making the travel less arduous (my job used tave buisness class flights everywhere - now that has been chipped away at which makes the travel side of it a chore rather than something semi-enjoyable).

 

 

So - with $billions would I stay here ??.... I think I just might - I already know plenty of Thai's with that soft of money, they have homes in Japan, London etc...  travel a lot - but this is still their home... and even though I am still considered an Alien here - its my home, is my Wife's home and its my Son's home and it always will be.

 

 

[Hummin]

1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

Interesting point...   I always considered that if I had FU money...   where would I be.

 

I'm here now, so I'd probably stay here - but I'd probably also travel more than I already do.

 

My son is already in an Excellent school here - and I think its as good as top schools in the UK, so I might not change that - but Uni of course would be else where.

 

The world would then be a lot smaller because hopping on an over night First Class flight would be no trouble whatsoever...    We'd have houses in the area's we preferred.

 

I'd want to remain active in a business that isn't stressful....   I wouldn't want to just 'settle' into retirement doing nothing...  I already like the work I do and would be happy to continue for as long as I physically can, perhaps stepping back a little....   and of course making the travel less arduous (my job used tave buisness class flights everywhere - now that has been chipped away at which makes the travel side of it a chore rather than something semi-enjoyable).

 

 

So - with $billions would I stay here ??.... I think I just might - I already know plenty of Thai's with that soft of money, they have homes in Japan, London etc...  travel a lot - but this is still their home... and even though I am still considered an Alien here - its my home, is my Wife's home and its my Son's home and it always will be.

 

 

I have  friend who recently relocated to Singapore,  because of potential tax here. 

[SideOut]

On 11/21/2024 at 9:04 AM, richard_smith237 said:

 

On a recent flight I sat next to a Thai flight attendant who was 'dead-heading'....   She managed to wrap herself up, face mask, eye mask, hoodie, neck pillow... then didn't move for 5 hours - just slept through. Obviously well practiced at sleeping on planes. 

 

The best sleep I get on flights is when I'm exhausted and take an 'aid' (as earlier discussed).. I will have been up since about 5am... and I'm catching a 10pm flight, I speak to the FA, no food etc - wake up with a coffee as late as possible.

As soon as the seatbelt seat is off, seats flat - I'm usually already well on my way to falling asleep by then.

 

BUT... when not travelling for work, with family in Eco, like you I just don't sleep, I find it incredibly difficult so wherever possible, I don't try - I take day flights and use a quick layover to sleep (on the way to or from the UK)

i.e. fly in the morning: BKK to Dubai - we're chilling in a pool by mid afternoon, have a dinner, early to bed, then back at the airport in the morning (<24 hr layover bags through to final destination), no need to check-in (already have boarding passes) - head straight to gate, grab a coffee and breakfast on the way.

 

IMO - IF unable to sleep well on flights, breaking up the flight with a layover is the best option and it also helps with jet-lag.

 

 

That's a great idea for traveling to Europe. I'll definitely consider that for my next trip. Out of curiosity, can you book that as a single flight itinerary, or do you need to book two separate flights? Assuming single itinerary, since you mention already being checked in. 

[richard_smith237]

On 11/21/2024 at 1:50 AM, Rampant Rabbit said:

On 11/20/2024 at 9:35 PM, richard_smith237 said:

 

Topics about sleeping on a flight - not watching TV or bragging about flying business or First.

wind yer neck in as thats exactly what I thought when u responded with your business  class quote about lie flat beds being hard

 

Nope... I was being flippant in direct response to the same flippancy expressed by others with their 'ego trip remarks'... "just fly business" - which is obviously not the answer for someone who's only willing to pay Eco flights and looking for sleep aids.

 

So in response to your 'winder yer neck in' comment - I'd retort... 'wind yer ego in'.. 

 

But, if that wasn't enough info from my comment... part of the comment which you replied to but ignored in your haste to let everyone know you 'turn left'... 

 

On 11/20/2024 at 7:16 PM, richard_smith237 said:

 

Or...  get realistic - not everyone flys business class, so your of cuff remark is pathetic and serves no purpose.

 

 

[richard_smith237]

On 11/24/2024 at 10:24 AM, SideOut said:

That's a great idea for traveling to Europe. I'll definitely consider that for my next trip. Out of curiosity, can you book that as a single flight itinerary, or do you need to book two separate flights? Assuming single itinerary, since you mention already being checked in. 

 

Different Airline Sites manage this option in a different way. 

 

Emirates do this are part of the regular booking - you can select the flight at each stage.

If the flight 'window' you want falls outside of the flights offered on the Website you can chose 'mulit-city' - which then gives you an option to fly with a greater lay over. 

If have found that with Emirates - on our regular booking you can chose a stopover of up to about 35 hours.

Note: Any layover longer than 24 hours requires you to collect your baggage (at the point of layover).

 

Turkish Operate in a Similar Manner - but do this a little better, they offer layovers under a 'visit Istanbul' scheme and include a free hotel... But the free hotel is only included on one of the legs and for one night.

The last trip we took a layover (<24 hrs) and had an included hotel...  arrived in IST - went to the hotel, had a walk around, had a nice meal, slept and then back to the Airport (transport as included but a bit of a faff)

On the return we took a stop over (>24 hrs) - 3 days and made more of a trip of it.

One of the reasons this was a good idea (with Turkisk) was their flights being a lot cheaper when using a 'Layover / Stopover' option.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[SideOut]

10 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

Different Airline Sites manage this option in a different way. 

 

Emirates do this are part of the regular booking - you can select the flight at each stage.

If the flight 'window' you want falls outside of the flights offered on the Website you can chose 'mulit-city' - which then gives you an option to fly with a greater lay over. 

If have found that with Emirates - on our regular booking you can chose a stopover of up to about 35 hours.

Note: Any layover longer than 24 hours requires you to collect your baggage (at the point of layover).

 

Turkish Operate in a Similar Manner - but do this a little better, they offer layovers under a 'visit Istanbul' scheme and include a free hotel... But the free hotel is only included on one of the legs and for one night.

The last trip we took a layover (<24 hrs) and had an included hotel...  arrived in IST - went to the hotel, had a walk around, had a nice meal, slept and then back to the Airport (transport as included but a bit of a faff)

On the return we took a stop over (>24 hrs) - 3 days and made more of a trip of it.

One of the reasons this was a good idea (with Turkisk) was their flights being a lot cheaper when using a 'Layover / Stopover' option.

 

 

 

 

 

 

That's great to know. Thanks for the detailed reply.

[fleur3]

On 11/20/2024 at 5:41 PM, Hummin said:

You do not get zonked our, but an God idea to take 5mg first and if you wake up, drink some water, 5 mg more, another needed restroom visit, and back to sleep

No problem when something happens. They will wake you up .you are not off the world only sleeping 

[Hummin]

1 minute ago, fleur3 said:

No problem when something happens. They will wake you up .you are not off the world only sleeping 

I think you qouted the wrong person, try the one I qouted

[jcmj]

I haven’t been able to get dormicum in about three years. I think they stopped getting them in the hospital. I don’t really use use Xanax , but you can get mirtazapine or trazadone at the pharmacy. Long flights suck. I get it. 

[CygnusX1]

On 11/21/2024 at 10:06 AM, Irish made said:

Antihistamines are very effective for sending you to sleep, but I find they make my mouth very dry, and leave me hungover the next day. 

I have to take an antihistamine travel sickness pill on long bus trips on winding roads, and find them so effective at inducing sleep that I fall asleep when I absolutely don’t want to, such as on a super scenic trip along the Croatian coastline. Also agree on the dry mouth and hangover.

 

I never use these pills on aircraft, as I don’t get airsick, and I almost never manage to get any sleep on long haul flights. I prefer it that way, as I find that if I get extremely tired, I can then go to bed at the right time for my destination, and have a very long sleep, after which I have zero jet lag.

[HermesHermes]

Lemborexant ('Dayvigo') is not cheap but is effective - for me anyway. Available by Rx only. I take half the prescribed dose or I will be groggy for an hour when I wake up 9 hours later.

[Kinok Farang]

On 11/20/2024 at 4:58 PM, Hummin said:

5 valium 5mg have been great for me, I get them at Bangkok hospital for 2k included dr fee, only two each flight, and one for the jetleg when I arrive back home if not straight of offshore. 

 

I know this was not what you asked for, but thats one of the few "legal" ways of doing it, with something that actually works. 

 

My recipee my experience, and should not be taken as an advise. One redvine for the food, and one cognac after, one bottle of water, two valium, do your needed restroom duties,  and sleep 

Bangkok hospital Pattaya are notorious for over-pricing and you have just proved that.

[Kinok Farang]

On 11/22/2024 at 2:29 PM, BigStar said:

 

Amitriptyline is effective and very cheap. It does tend to leave you lethargic the next day. It's also pretty strong. I would have to split it, 3 mg would be quite sufficient. 400 mg of ibuprofen I also find excessive. 200's fine. Ultracet (or Duocetz, from public hsps) is good, might could just go with that and skip the "Ami," as Thais call it, and the ibuprofen.

 

I used to take 10mg of Amitriptyline but soon found out they would knock a rhino out.A third of pill(3mg) gives me a great nights sleep and at 35 baht for 10 has got to be the best value in Thailand.

[Hummin]

21 minutes ago, Kinok Farang said:

Bangkok hospital Pattaya are notorious for over-pricing and you have just proved that.

I got the real thing I couldn't get anywhere else with legal prescription