The Decline of Free Speech: How the UK Became a Third-Class Nation

[JonnyF]

15 minutes ago, RayC said:

How about the treatment of Bianca Williams and her partner? The use of 'stop and search' where young black males are disproportionately more likely to be stopped? Is that 2-tier justice or solid, common sense policing?

 

Bianca Williams was in a car that failed to stop and was driving on the wrong side of the road. It was nothing to do with her colour. Stop race baiting. 

 

The Police Officers were later reinstated.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ckgnln17zn6o

[RayC]

7 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

Bianca Williams was in a car that failed to stop and was driving on the wrong side of the road. It was nothing to do with her colour. Stop race baiting. 

 

The Police Officers were later reinstated.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ckgnln17zn6o

 

Two sides to every story as the BBC link and attached video makes plain. Sky's analysis suggests that Williams' partner was guilty of driving at 32mph in a 20mph zone. Not good but given that he realised that he was being chased by an unmarked van, quite understandable in the circumstances.

 

Now I'm race baiting. Makes a change for gaslighting I suppose.

 

 

[James105]

4 minutes ago, RayC said:

 

Two sides to every story as the BBC link and attached video makes plain. Sky's analysis suggests that Williams' partner was guilty of driving at 32mph in a 20mph zone. Not good but given that he realised that he was being chased by an unmarked van, quite understandable in the circumstances.

 

Now I'm race baiting. Makes a change for gaslighting I suppose.

 

 

 

I presume you didn't bother to watch the full video.   "They drive for 32 seconds more while being chased by the police van with its flashing blue lights on".   Is that quite understandable i(n the circumstances), or does that indicate someone has something to hide which necessitates the stop and search?  Perhaps if they had pulled over when they saw it was a police van chasing them then they would not have been subjected to stop and search.

[JonnyF]

35 minutes ago, RayC said:

 

Two sides to every story as the BBC link and attached video makes plain. Sky's analysis suggests that Williams' partner was guilty of driving at 32mph in a 20mph zone. Not good but given that he realised that he was being chased by an unmarked van, quite understandable in the circumstances.

 

Now I'm race baiting. Makes a change for gaslighting I suppose.

 

 

 

Go speeding down the wrong side of the road, then speed off erratically when the police lights go on for your traffic offense.

 

Finally stop after a chase through busy streets, then claim it all happened because you are black, even though the car has heavily tinted windows. 

 

Sounds about right 😃.

 

Is this really the best example you have?

[RayC]

20 minutes ago, James105 said:

 

I presume you didn't bother to watch the full video.   "They drive for 32 seconds more while being chased by the police van with its flashing blue lights on".   Is that quite understandable i(n the circumstances), or does that indicate someone has something to hide which necessitates the stop and search?  Perhaps if they had pulled over when they saw it was a police van chasing them then they would not have been subjected to stop and search.

 

If they had something to hide then they did a very good job of concealing the evidence as nothing incriminating was found either on their person or in the car.

 

I very much doubt that they would have not been st a search no matter what stage they pulled over.

[JonnyF]

4 minutes ago, RayC said:

 

If they had something to hide then they did a very good job of concealing the evidence as nothing incriminating was found either on their person or in the car.

 

I very much doubt that they would have not been st a search no matter what stage they pulled over.

 

Probably thrown out the window during the 30 seconds they were speeding away from the chasing police with the flashing lights on. 

 

Why do you think they ran?

 

Anyway the race baiting worked for them as the conversation quickly changed from the offense of them fleeing the police to police racial profiling. They even got the officer sacked (later re-instated). Job's a goodun. Played the system very well. 

 

In a tight spot? Just fled from the police? No problem... Just play the race card. Works every time. They are even some useful idiots who will argue the case on your behalf. 

[RayC]

1 minute ago, JonnyF said:

 

Go speeding down the wrong side of the road, then speed off erratically when the police lights go on for your traffic offense.

 

Finally stop after a chase through busy streets, then claim it all happened because you are black, even though the car has heavily tinted windows. 

 

Sounds about right 😃.

 

Is this really the best example you have?

 

As Dos Santos stated, and as is clear from the video, the cars parked on the left-hand side of the street make it impossible not to cross the central line.

 

There was no indication that the van was a police van when Dos Santos realised he was being followed. The video also shows that Dos Santos' car was out of sight when the lights on the police van were switched on and he pulled over at the next junction. How can you know that the couple's colour could not be seen from the police's first vantage point?

[GammaGlobulin]

Good Topic:

 

 

 

 

Where is NOAM when we need him most?

 

Long live Chomsky.

 

 

[Nick Carter icp]

6 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

Good Topic:

 

 

 

 

Where is NOAM when we need him most?

 

Long live Chomsky.

 

 

 

   Noam can no longer talk 

[RayC]

17 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

Probably thrown out the window during the 30 seconds they were speeding away from the chasing police with the flashing lights on. 

 

Why do you think they ran?

 

Anyway the race baiting worked for them as the conversation quickly changed from the offense of them fleeing the police to police racial profiling. They even got the officer sacked (later re-instated). Job's a goodun. Played the system very well. 

 

In a tight spot? Just fled from the police? No problem... Just play the race card. Works every time. They are even some useful idiots who will argue the case on your behalf. 

 

Of course they threw the evidence out of the car when they were out of sight. What other explanation could there be for anyone driving away hurriedly when they knew that they were being followed by an unmarked van?🤦

 

We white people in the UK do have it hard. Unlike non-whites we can't play the race card.

 

Funnily enough, during all the millions of encounters that I've had in the UK over the years - whatever the situation, whatever the profession/ personal circumstances of the individuals I've interacted with - I've never personally experienced any anti-white discrimination anywhere in the UK. I guess that I must be the lucky exception.

[GammaGlobulin]

6 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Noam can no longer talk 

 

Really?

 

And he is one of the ones I have always dearly loved to hear talk.

 

If true, then this is very sad.

Sad.

 

(Still, his books, lectures, and videos speak.)

 

[Nick Carter icp]

7 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

 

Really?

 

And he is one of the ones I have always dearly loved to hear talk.

 

If true, then this is very sad.

Sad.

 

(Still, his books, lectures, and videos speak.)

 

 

   Here

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/books/news/noam-chomsky-health-update-tributes-b2561064.html

[JonnyF]

7 minutes ago, RayC said:

Funnily enough, during all the millions of encounters that I've had in the UK over the years - whatever the situation, whatever the profession/ personal circumstances of the individuals I've interacted with - I've never personally experienced any anti-white discrimination anywhere in the UK. I guess that I must be the lucky exception.

 

It's not luck. You have all the "correct" political opinions. They need people like you. Pro immigration, "progressive", anti nation state, pro open borders, Pro Trans, pro high taxation, pro censorship, pro EU, anti free speech, pro climate alarmism, anti Israel, anti Tory, pro lockdown, pro mandatory vaccination etc.

 

You tick all the boxes. They love turkeys that vote for Christmas. Keep being a good boy and you won't have any problems from the establishment. 

[GammaGlobulin]

14 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Here

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/books/news/noam-chomsky-health-update-tributes-b2561064.html

 

Yes.

I read that months ago.

But, I thought he might have recovered....as....he has done in the past from a minor stroke.

 

Anyway....this is sad news.

 

Still, living and TEACHING past the age of 90 is not something that most can do.

 

(He still speaks, however.)

 

And, I did not read this part of the article which you quoted:

 

Really and truly sad.

Very sorry to read this.

 

 

 

 

 

[RayC]

1 minute ago, JonnyF said:

 

It's not luck. You have all the "correct" political opinions. They need people like you. Pro immigration, "progressive", anti nation state, pro open borders, Pro Trans, pro high taxation, pro censorship, pro EU, anti free speech, pro climate alarmism, anti Israel, anti Tory, pro lockdown, pro mandatory vaccination etc.

 

You tick all the boxes. They love turkeys that vote for Christmas. Keep being a good boy and you won't have any problems from the establishment. 

 

😂

 

If you really believe that nonsense, Jonny, then I'd keep looking behind. 

 

 

 

[JonnyF]

11 minutes ago, RayC said:

 

😂

 

If you really believe that nonsense, Jonny, then I'd keep looking behind. 

 

 

 

 

Ah, the old "you're imagining it", "you're paranoid".😃

 

Gaslighting 101. 

 

It's all you have at this point. 

[RayC]

16 hours ago, JonnyF said:

 

Ah, the old "you're imagining it", "you're paranoid".😃

 

Gaslighting 101. 

 

It's all you have at this point. 

 

Ahh .... Gaslighting Part 4. This one's got legs

[JonnyF]

5 minutes ago, RayC said:

 

Ahh .... Gaslighting Part 4. This one's got legs

 

If you keep doing it, I will keep calling it out. 

[RayC]

1 minute ago, JonnyF said:

 

If you keep doing it, I will keep calling it out. 

 

You keep calling out a lot of things that don't exist; my gaslighting is just one example.

[JonnyF]

4 minutes ago, RayC said:

 

You keep calling out a lot of things that don't exist; my gaslighting is just one example.

 

I have provided multiple examples for my claims including links.

 

Your response is "you're imagining it" with no counter examples (except the black couple arrested for failing to stop and then fleeing the police at speed down busy streets 😃).

 

If that's the best you've got, I'm not surprised you resort to gaslighting. 

 

[RayC]

7 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

I have provided multiple examples for my claims including links.

 

As do I.

 

7 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

Your response is "you're imagining it" with no counter examples (except the black couple arrested for failing to stop and then fleeing the police at speed down busy streets 😃).

 

https://www.statista.com/statistics/284677/police-stop-and-searches-in-england-and-wales-by-ethnicity/

 

7 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

If that's the best you've got, I'm not surprised you resort to gaslighting. 

 

 

Accusation of gaslighting #5 in this thread alone.

 

You are doing an excellent job of making yourself look like someone gaslighting 

 

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/gaslighting

[JonnyF]

1 minute ago, RayC said:

Accusation of gaslighting #5 in this thread alone.

 

Yes, I let 3 others slide.

 

This thread is about free speech Ray, not people getting arrested after fleeing the police down busy London streets. But I guess if that's all you've got, you have to roll with it.  😆

[RayC]

11 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

Yes, I let 3 others slide.

 

Ahh gaslighting definition #1:

 

"Psychological manipulation of a person usually over an extended period of time that causes the victim to question the validity of their own thoughts, perception of reality, or memories and typically leads to confusion, loss of confidence ..."

 

So what shall we settle on? Gaslighting claim #5 or #8? I'm easy. You choose.

 

11 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

This thread is about free speech Ray, not people getting arrested after fleeing the police down busy London streets. But I guess if that's all you've got, you have to roll with it.  😆

 

This thread is about free speech, Jonny, but you are the one who introduced a racial element into the discussion, so why be surprised when those who disagree with your contention offer counter-examples to your claims?

 

From page 3 of this thread (recognise the words?):

 

"Just pay your taxes and shut up. Or jail awaits (but only if you're white working class of course)"

 

I've got more but that's enough for now.