21 hours ago, FritsSikkink said:

How many people are killed by the police in the UK compared to the USA?

What is the population of the USA compared to the UK?

39 minutes ago, NoshowJones said:

What is the population of the USA compared to the UK?

USA 33.1killings per 10 million

UK     0.5 killings per 10 million

 

List of countries with annual rates and counts for killings by law enforcement officers - Wikipedia

10 hours ago, KhunLA said:

 

Again, has nothing to do with USA, and not acting  in any diplomatic capacity for the USA.  He's always been a believer in free speech, and why he bought X / twitter.  I think it was a post on X where he made the statements.

 

Guess it gives you and the other posters a chance to USA bash, and don't know why, since he didn't even mention USA.  He is Canadian & S. African also, but no comments about those countries & free speech or expression of thoughts.

 

Since you guys bring it up, USA is far better allowing free speech & expression.  Not as much as in the past though, but that's in the PC, woke world, not legality, like the UK.  1st Amendment ensures that right, and fairly obvious, considering what MSM spews all the time.

 

Musk became a US citizen in 2002.

 

No, not with a view to "USA bash", but trying to understand the psych of senior US players. Given Musk is a direct appointee of trump and a significant influencer I'm fairly sure his public opinions of foreign countries would be viewed through a diplomatic filter. trump also previously made some very obnoxious comments concerning UK. Personally I struggle with some of the Free Speech policies in USA e.g. Nazi Party being legal in the USA, perhaps the only country in the world where this is so. Plus of course the volume of spiteful hate speech which, IMO, must damage the social fabric in the USA.

 

Another example of Musk's breach of privilege- the guy obviously has some serious issues...

 

'Libelous on its face': Internet critics blast Musk's 'disgusting' treason accusation

 

 

Edited November 28, 20241 yr by simple1

On 11/27/2024 at 8:03 AM, JonnyF said:

I don't see the controversy here. The UK is clearly a police state.

 

The only controversy is that he failed to mention it is also a 2 tier system. 

 

The UK is clearly not a police state as evidenced by the fact that individuals have freedom of expression and the ability to protest. Note that I said 'protest', not 'riot'.

 

Nor is there a 2-tier (policing) system which discriminates against white people.

7 minutes ago, RayC said:

The UK is clearly not a police state as evidenced by the fact that individuals have freedom of expression and the ability to protest.

 

Not on social media they don't.

 

One guy posted a question "what happens when the immigrants come to our turf" and got a custodial sentence rushed through the court system in a week. Does a question on social media constitute a riot in your mind?

30 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

Not on social media they don't.

 

One guy posted a question "what happens when the immigrants come to our turf" and got a custodial sentence rushed through the court system in a week. Does a question on social media constitute a riot in your mind?

 

Got a link for that?

31 minutes ago, RayC said:

 

Got a link for that?

 

I've posted it many, many times Ray. 

 

Here it is again.

 

https://www.newsandstar.co.uk/news/24516571.elon-musk-attacks-cumbrian-crackdown-racist-online-content/

 

4 hours ago, JonnyF said:

 

Not on social media they don't.

 

One guy posted a question "what happens when the immigrants come to our turf" and got a custodial sentence rushed through the court system in a week. Does a question on social media constitute a riot in your mind?

He showed photos of gangs with the text 'coming to a town near you '.

 

Far from your claim.

13 hours ago, stevenl said:

He showed photos of gangs with the text 'coming to a town near you '.

 

Far from your claim.

 

Gangs? I think you are showing your bias there Steven. A "group" might be more appropriate language.

 

And yes they are coming to a town near everyone, according to Labour's very own Angela Rayner.

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/06/26/labour-every-uk-borough-must-take-fair-share-migrants/

 

And yes, many are indeed from Asia.

 

So why was he jailed for repeating already stated government policy? Seems a tad authoritarian, no?

 

Here is another story of the UK being 'Tyrannical'

 

"Man held after secret filming shared on Tik Tok"

According to the article the police have arrested a man who was filming women, in a public place, and posting them on TIK TOK, I thought there was no expectation pf privacy whilst in a public place?  Guess the the UK is worse than I thought??

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/man-held-secret-filming-shared-124155451.html

42 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

Gangs? I think you are showing your bias there Steven. A "group" might be more appropriate language.

 

And yes they are coming to a town near everyone, according to Labour's very own Angela Rayner.

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/06/26/labour-every-uk-borough-must-take-fair-share-migrants/

 

And yes, many are indeed from Asia.

 

So why was he jailed for repeating already stated government policy? Seems a tad authoritarian, no?

 

Straight from your link.

"Memes that show images of migrant gangs with a caption saying "Coming to a town near you''".

You're the one distorting the quote from your link.

Just now, stevenl said:

Straight from your link.

"Memes that show images of migrant gangs with a caption saying "Coming to a town near you''".

You're the one distorting the quote from your link.

 

It's the author of the article that called them gangs, not the guy who was sent to jail.

 

If you wish to repeat/re-enforce such stereotypes, that's up to you. 

2 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

It's the author of the article that called them gangs, not the guy who was sent to jail.

 

If you wish to repeat/re-enforce such stereotypes, that's up to you. 

No, it's the guy convicted that used the phrase. Hence the conviction, a conviction you clearly oppose.

So you're the one re-enforcing the stereotype.

3 minutes ago, stevenl said:

No, it's the guy convicted that used the phrase.

 

In which tweet?

 

Please provide a link/quote to where he referenced gangs. 

45 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

Gangs? I think you are showing your bias there Steven. A "group" might be more appropriate language.

 

And yes they are coming to a town near everyone, according to Labour's very own Angela Rayner.

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/06/26/labour-every-uk-borough-must-take-fair-share-migrants/

 

And yes, many are indeed from Asia.

 

So why was he jailed for repeating already stated government policy? Seems a tad authoritarian, no?

 

 

One post the guy made was:

 

The message included emojis of both an ethnic minority person and a gun

 

I assume you're a trump supporter, such content would also be illegal in the US? However, US and UK have different tolerances for "hate speech". Personally I view the level of unrestrained hate speech ridiculous and extremely divisive within the US. At this stage I agree with HMG doing down the correct path by not supporting the equivalent vile rhetoric emanating from trump & co.

7 minutes ago, simple1 said:

 

One post the guy made was:

 

The message included emojis of both an ethnic minority person and a gun

 

I assume you're a trump supporter, such content would also be illegal in the US? However, US and UK have different tolerances for "hate speech". Personally I view the level of unrestrained hate speech ridiculous and extremely divisive within the US. At this stage I agree with HMG doing down the correct path by not supporting the equivalent vile rhetoric emanating from trump & co.

 

No he didn't.

 

You seem to be confusing Lee Dunn with Billy Thompson. 

 

We are discussing Lee Dunn, who questioned what happens when they come to "your turf" as Angela Rayner stated they would. 

 

Your opposition to freedom of speech is noted though. 

 

23 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

No he didn't.

 

You seem to be confusing Lee Dunn with Billy Thompson. 

 

We are discussing Lee Dunn, who questioned what happens when they come to "your turf" as Angela Rayner stated they would. 

 

Your opposition to freedom of speech is noted though. 

 

 

Same context, stirring up divisions and hatred

On 11/26/2024 at 9:02 PM, Social Media said:

 

Elon Musk, owner of X (formerly Twitter) and adviser to U.S. President-elect Donald Trump, has reignited tensions with the British government, labeling the United Kingdom a “tyrannical police state” in a weekend tirade. Musk, who commands an audience of over 200 million on X, also shared a controversial documentary by far-right activist Tommy Robinson, raising fresh questions about his political stance and influence.  

 

Musk’s remarks come amid an ongoing feud with Britain’s new Labour government, led by Prime Minister Keir Starmer. He criticized the administration’s policies and posted a graph highlighting Starmer’s declining approval ratings, captioning it with: “The voice of the people is a great antidote.” Musk has consistently painted Britain under Starmer as a nation struggling with authoritarianism and inequities in its justice system.  

 

 

Over the summer, Musk became particularly vocal about the UK after the tragic killing of three schoolgirls in Southport. He criticized the police response, accused Starmer of presiding over a “two-tier” justice system biased against white citizens, and spread unverified claims about the incident.

 

His rhetoric escalated, with Musk predicting “civil war is inevitable” in Britain. Downing Street dismissed his claims but notably excluded him from a high-profile investment summit in the fall. Efforts to repair relations between Musk and British officials have since been reported, though tensions remain.  

 

This weekend, Musk reignited controversy by questioning the imprisonment of Tommy Robinson, a British far-right figurehead jailed earlier this year for breaching a court order. Robinson had admitted to spreading false and defamatory claims about a Syrian refugee schoolboy in a documentary. Musk not only voiced skepticism about Robinson’s imprisonment but also shared the activist’s documentary with his followers, amplifying its reach significantly.  

 

Prime Minister Starmer’s office responded diplomatically to the uproar. A spokesperson stated that Starmer “looks forward to working with President Trump and his whole team, including Elon Musk,” to strengthen the UK-U.S. relationship. The statement sidestepped Musk’s direct criticisms and emphasized the importance of collaboration between the two nations.  

 

Musk’s increasingly combative stance toward Britain has raised eyebrows on both sides of the Atlantic. Critics argue that his comments risk inflaming social divisions and undermining international relations. His amplification of far-right narratives, in particular, has drawn condemnation, with many questioning the implications of his platform ownership on global discourse.  

 

As Musk continues to leverage his influence in the realms of politics and media, his remarks about the UK highlight the complex interplay between technology, power, and international diplomacy. For Britain, managing its relationship with Musk—a figure whose opinions can ripple across millions—presents a unique challenge amid shifting political dynamics.

 

Based on a report by Politico 2024-11-27

 

 

 

 

Because of his political ambitions, and teaming up with a controversial team, the Musk empire will gradually decay, first signs already visible: 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2024/nov/29/tesla-owners-elon-musk