UN Removes Genocide Advisor: She Refused To Label Israels actions as Genocide

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, Thorgal said:

 

7th of October could have been avoided by implementing all UN resolutions (in history) against Israel's occupation on Palestine since it's creation.

 

Again, it requires intellectual honesty to come to that conclusion...

 

Go away. This topic is not about that and you have already proved yourself to be dishonest

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Troll post removed @Thorgal, the thread discussion here is:

 

UN Removes Genocide Advisor: She Refused To Label Israels actions as Genocide

 

 

[Thingamabob]

1 hour ago, placnx said:

The beheadings of babies were debunked a long tome ago. Rapes if any were from a lack of discipline, not an intended weapon of war. What is contemptible is the US vetoes against the 14 other members of the Security Council who want a ceasefire and aid distribution.

Disgraceful comments. You should be ashamed of yourself.

[Thingamabob]

1 hour ago, Thorgal said:

 

Haley always opposed against any UN resolution to restrict, punish and/or limit Israel's occupation on Palestine.

 

My intellectual honesty tells me that she's also responsible for what happened since 7th of October...

Your 'intellectual honesty' ? Not only not very bright, but also pompous.

[Thingamabob]

9 hours ago, RuamRudy said:

 

So Israel is beyond any criticism; any negative comment can only be borne of anti-semitism? Is that what you are saying?

Yes, to a large degree.

[Nick Carter icp]

1 hour ago, placnx said:

The beheadings of babies were debunked a long tome ago. Rapes if any were from a lack of discipline, not an intended weapon of war. What is contemptible is the US vetoes against the 14 other members of the Security Council who want a ceasefire and aid distribution.

 

   Babies were killed .

How they actually died isn't really that impotent .

Babies and children were deliberately murdered .

How they were deliberately murdered isn't really important 

[Chomper Higgot]

4 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

  About half of those deaths were Hamas terrorists and the civilian death rate is very low for a war

Do you have a credible source for that claim?

[Chomper Higgot]

2 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

Its not just in the WSJ. Your attempt to kill the messenger is not working. Many outlets are carrying this:

 

UN adviser leaves office ‘over refusal to accuse Israel of genocide’
Alice Wairimu Nderitu left her post after four years amid claims she was edged out by those critical of the war against Hamas

https://www.thetimes.com/world/middle-east/article/un-adviser-genocide-israel-gaza-t058xrpcv

 

 

Your comments on the ICJ case is also misleading

That’s how syndicated news articles make money, selling the same article across multiple platforms.

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

That’s how syndicated news articles make money, selling the same article across multiple platforms.

Except it's not the same article. Syndicated news is normaly from Reuters and AP. Try again at deflection 

[Nick Carter icp]

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Do you have a credible source for that claim?

 

  Answered on the previous page 

[placnx]

On 11/27/2024 at 3:04 PM, ericbj said:

The article is of interest, in that it provides facts.  Seeing as it comes from the Wall Street Journal, one mst filter out the bias.

 

Note:  The words 'anti-semite' and 'anti-semitic', correctly used, signify a fundamental opposition to the semitic peoples.  i.e. jews and arabs.  'Anti-jewish' means opposition to jews in general and should not be confused with 'anti-zionism'.

 

Zionism was originally opposed go both Judaism and jewish-ness, going so far as recommending jews adhere to the Protestant faith.

 

It gained little traction until it did an about-turn, became nationalist, and, in the process (according to many Jews) distorted the religion to reflect its goals of statehood.
Perhaps a more radical change than that, for Christianity, of the Council of Nicaea.

As I noted before, the "article" is from the Editorial Board of WSJ in the 3-page Opinion section of the print edition. There facts are not obligatory as it is not reporting news.

[placnx]

On 11/27/2024 at 11:17 AM, Patong2021 said:

 

It is a false narrative to describe Islam and Judaism having rubbed along rather well until the mid 20th century. Islam has always treated non muslims as subhuman. The historic reality is that the harmony you allude to was a direct result of Ottoman Empire Rule and of the presence of European colonial powers, particularly the French in North Africa. The Ottoman Turks were not given to the religious excess of their arab subjects. However, in the places where  local muslims  were in power, the jewish people were obliged to pay a special tax and were subject to employment restrictions. Unlike muslims, jews (and Christians) were considered Dhimmis and were denied the same rights as muslims. The muslims undertook periodic ethnic cleansings. For example, they drove out the jewish tribes from Arabia. Those tribes then sought refuge in greater Israel.

 

Your statement denies the historic mistreatment of non muslims and  presents a false history. Itis no different than the  idiots who are now claiming that Jesus was a Palestinian. (He was a Judean and a jew.)

 

 

The historical treatment of People of the Book, i.e. including Christians & Jews, was nice relative to the apartheid which Palestinians in Israel and the Occupied Territories have experienced. They didn't experience home demolitions and wanton execution.

[Bkk Brian]

57 minutes ago, placnx said:

As I noted before, the "article" is from the Editorial Board of WSJ in the 3-page Opinion section of the print edition. There facts are not obligatory as it is not reporting news.

False, enough of the propaganda from you, it is certainly reporting facts as well as fact based opinions. Just one of the numerous facts reported:

 

"In assessing Israel’s ongoing conflict with Hamas, Ms. Nderitu argued that it did not meet the definition of genocide. She acknowledged the tragic civilian toll but pointed to Israel's stated intent: dismantling a terrorist organization rather than eradicating an ethnic group. Israel, she noted, has taken significant steps to minimize civilian casualties, even as Hamas reportedly uses Palestinian civilians as shields, exploiting their deaths for propaganda."

[Patong2021]

5 hours ago, placnx said:

The historical treatment of People of the Book, i.e. including Christians & Jews, was nice relative to the apartheid which Palestinians in Israel and the Occupied Territories have experienced. They didn't experience home demolitions and wanton execution.

 You are changing your narrative as the false statements are exposed.

The historic treatment of  Jews and Christians by muslim colonialist and occupiers has not been consistently fair or good.

As previously stated, non muslims were forced to pay special taxes. Jews were specifically barred from multiple occupations, typically activities that might result in prosperity.

.

Jews in muslim countries were forced to live in walled ghettos. The Moroccans called them mellahs. It was a common occurrence for the muslims to go on slaughtering binges where dhimmis were mass murdered. Jews were forced off their historic lands as the muslim population expanded and grabbed the jewish land.

There is no apartheid in Israel. Repeating a lie will not make it true. All Israelis have the right to due process and are emancipated. They have equal access to health and education services.

Demolitions of buildings occur in buildings linked to  violent activities. If someone wishes to use a building  to cover for terrorist activity, then they accept the consequences.In 2023 24 buildings were demolished for terror related activity. In 2022, there were 11.

Quite a contrast to the forced expulsion of jews from Egypt, or the seizure of all assets of the jews of Syria and Iraq.

 

[thaibeachlovers]

On 11/27/2024 at 2:49 PM, RuamRudy said:

 

The demonisation of any institution or individual who dares to criticise the state of Israel as anti Jewish or anti semitic has become as tiresome as it is predictable. 

On that I agree with you.

[thaibeachlovers]

It's good to see the UN doing the right thing for once.

Unfortunately till it gets rid of the veto in the so called security council it's going to be a toothless old dog.

[thaibeachlovers]

On 11/28/2024 at 12:03 AM, Thingamabob said:

Disgraceful comments. You should be ashamed of yourself.

If there are any disgraceful comments it's not from the poster to which you responded, and it's certainly not that poster that should be ashamed.

[thaibeachlovers]

On 11/27/2024 at 4:10 PM, RuamRudy said:

 

The UN is clearly not perfect, but its very basis as an intended means of countries collectively formulating a consensus means that it will inevitably be influenced by the prevailing attitudes of the majority of its constituent members and this leads it open to bias. I don't know the form that reform should take, but I believe that its better to talk than not. 

Of course, if the criticisms of Israel were baseless then there would definitely be cause of alarm, but if your defence is that the other bad guys get less grief than us bad guys, then its still not a great look. 

I never thought that we would be of similar minds, but on this we are.

[thaibeachlovers]

On 11/27/2024 at 4:31 PM, Thingamabob said:

0n October 7 2023 over 1700 Israeli civilians were killed by Palestinians. Many of them were women, children and infants who were raped and then beheaded. Others were taken as hostages. It is understandable that Israel will continue to hunt down all those directly or indirectly responsible. On the broader issue, events leading up to and during WW2 speak for themselves. Taking account of these two occurrences alone renders the UN's position on Israel not only unacceptable, but also contemptible.

Over 40,000 Palestinians ( mostly women and children ) have been blown by up the israelis with US supplied weapons and munitions, yet it seems that to you 1,700 israelis count for more than the entire population of Gaza.

 

Most of the people of the world disagree with you.

 

[thaibeachlovers]

On 11/27/2024 at 8:13 PM, loong said:

Hamas had 100's of miles of tunnels that they did not allow the civilians to shelter in as they wanted as many dead women and children as possible as it is good for propaganda!

What a silly statement. If they allowed civilians into the tunnels the israelis would know where the entrances were ( you are aware that drones are constantly overhead observing for such, don't you? ), and then drop bunker buster bombs on them killing every person that was sheltering in them.

Do try and think about what you are saying before posting.

[rickudon]

On 11/27/2024 at 5:07 PM, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   In Netanyahu's speech yesterday about the ceasefire in Lebanon 

Netanyahu is not a credible source. He claims 14,000 civilian deaths in Gaza, and that only half the dead are civilians. But various, VERIFIED sources all claim that the 43,000 plus death toll is credible, and 70% of the deaths are women and children. That the remaining 30% are all Hamas is laughable. This total does not include bodies buried under the rubble which are unreachable without heavy machinery, those who have died of ill health and being unable to access medical care due to IDF destroying most hospitals, and those (mainly children) who have died of disease and starvation due to Israel denying most aid deliveries.

 

Also, the Russian war in Ukraine, for the last 2 and a half years, afflicting a population of 40 million, has only resulted in 12,000 civilian Ukrainian casualties. Even Russia cannot kill as many civilians as Israel does.

[Nick Carter icp]

18 minutes ago, rickudon said:

Netanyahu is not a credible source. He claims 14,000 civilian deaths in Gaza, and that only half the dead are civilians. But various, VERIFIED sources all claim that the 43,000 plus death toll is credible, and 70% of the deaths are women and children.

 

  Those figures all come from Hamas , they have been shown and proven to lie about their figures .

   They still count the 500 Pally children killed in a Gaza hospital as deaths by IDF bombing , even though it has been proven that the hospital was hit by a misfiring Hamas rocket .

 IA live streamed video shows a Hamas rocket being fired from Gaza to Israel  and falling short and hitting that Gaza hospital .

  Those figures still count that as 500 Pally children being hit by  the IDF , even though video evidence shows that it was a misfiring Hamas rocket

  Hamas figures are not reliable  and all the pro pally figures come from Hamas 

  

 

[Nick Carter icp]

21 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

What a silly statement. If they allowed civilians into the tunnels the israelis would know where the entrances were ( you are aware that drones are constantly overhead observing for such, don't you? ), and then drop bunker buster bombs on them killing every person that was sheltering in them.

Do try and think about what you are saying before posting.

 

  IF, if Israel wanted to kill civilians , they would just bomb the civilians above ground , the bombs would be more effective above ground than targeting the tunnels 

[Bkk Brian]

6 hours ago, rickudon said:

Netanyahu is not a credible source. He claims 14,000 civilian deaths in Gaza, and that only half the dead are civilians. But various, VERIFIED sources all claim that the 43,000 plus death toll is credible, and 70% of the deaths are women and children. That the remaining 30% are all Hamas is laughable. This total does not include bodies buried under the rubble which are unreachable without heavy machinery, those who have died of ill health and being unable to access medical care due to IDF destroying most hospitals, and those (mainly children) who have died of disease and starvation due to Israel denying most aid deliveries.

 

Also, the Russian war in Ukraine, for the last 2 and a half years, afflicting a population of 40 million, has only resulted in 12,000 civilian Ukrainian casualties. Even Russia cannot kill as many civilians as Israel does.

You really have no clue on checking sources do you. Your comparison to Russia/Ukraine war is also as bizarre.

[rickudon]

16 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

You really have no clue on checking sources do you. Your comparison to Russia/Ukraine war is also as bizarre.

Ok provide a reliable source. As far as i am concerned, any Israeli government source is not reliable. You know, they do actually lie sometimes (maybe a lot.). There is a reason they will not allow Foreign journalists and many others into Gaza.

I believe the UN more

 

This a UN update from May-

 

https://www.ochaopt.org/content/hostilities-gaza-strip-and-israel-flash-update-168 

 

Another UN report - 

 

https://www.axios.com/2024/11/08/un-report-70-gaza-dead

 

The Guardian -

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/sep/17/gaza-publishes-identities-of-34344-palestinians-killed-in-war-with-israel

[rickudon]

Scale of destruction in Gaza.

 

The scale and pace of destruction and damage of buildings in the Gaza Strip ranks among the severest in modern history,^{[908][909][910]} surpassing the bombing of Dresden, Hamburg, and London combined during World War II,^{[911][912][913][ah]} and included apartment buildings, hospitals, schools, religious sites, factories, shopping centres, and municipal infrastructure.^[913] As of January 2024, researchers at Oregon State University and the City University of New York estimated that 50–62% of buildings in the Gaza Strip had been damaged or destroyed.^{[915][916][ai][aj]} The damage to buildings in northern Gaza reportedly exceeds that in Bakhmut and Mariupol in the Russian invasion of Ukraine,^[912] Aleppo in the Battle of Aleppo,^[908] and Mosul and Raqqa in the War against the Islamic State.^[908] The 29,000 munitions Israel had dropped on Gaza in three months exceeded the amount (3,678) dropped by the US between 2004 and 2010 after its invasion of Iraq.^[919] According to satellite analyses, 68% of roads, 70% of greenhouses, and nearly 70% of tree crops have been damaged or destroyed.^[920] After a year, the UN estimates that a total of 42m tonnes of rubble clutter the Strip, to clear and rebuild which might take 80 years and cost over $80bn.^[921] An earlier estimate worked out that 300 kilograms of rubble on average existed per square meter of Gaza.^[922]

 

^{https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel–Hamas_war#cite_note-174}

[Nick Carter icp]

1 hour ago, rickudon said:

Scale of destruction in Gaza.

 

The scale and pace of destruction and damage of buildings in the Gaza Strip ranks among the severest in modern history,^{[908][909][910]} surpassing the bombing of Dresden, Hamburg, and London combined during World War II,^{[911][912][913][ah]} and included apartment buildings, hospitals, schools, religious sites, factories, shopping centres, and municipal infrastructure.^[913] As of January 2024, researchers at Oregon State University and the City University of New York estimated that 50–62% of buildings in the Gaza Strip had been damaged or destroyed.^{[915][916][ai][aj]} The damage to buildings in northern Gaza reportedly exceeds that in Bakhmut and Mariupol in the Russian invasion of Ukraine,^[912] Aleppo in the Battle of Aleppo,^[908] and Mosul and Raqqa in the War against the Islamic State.^[908] The 29,000 munitions Israel had dropped on Gaza in three months exceeded the amount (3,678) dropped by the US between 2004 and 2010 after its invasion of Iraq.^[919] According to satellite analyses, 68% of roads, 70% of greenhouses, and nearly 70% of tree crops have been damaged or destroyed.^[920] After a year, the UN estimates that a total of 42m tonnes of rubble clutter the Strip, to clear and rebuild which might take 80 years and cost over $80bn.^[921] An earlier estimate worked out that 300 kilograms of rubble on average existed per square meter of Gaza.^[922]

 

^{https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel–Hamas_war#cite_note-174}

 

   That's what it takes for Hamas to surrender .

It needs to happen to stop anymote Hamas attacks on Israel 

 

[Bkk Brian]

6 hours ago, rickudon said:

Ok provide a reliable source. As far as i am concerned, any Israeli government source is not reliable. You know, they do actually lie sometimes (maybe a lot.). There is a reason they will not allow Foreign journalists and many others into Gaza.

I believe the UN more

 

This a UN update from May-

 

https://www.ochaopt.org/content/hostilities-gaza-strip-and-israel-flash-update-168 

 

Another UN report - 

 

https://www.axios.com/2024/11/08/un-report-70-gaza-dead

 

The Guardian -

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/sep/17/gaza-publishes-identities-of-34344-palestinians-killed-in-war-with-israel

LOL. You have not worked out what a source is yet. The links you provided are just messengers parroting data given to them by a local source, usually concerning deaths that would be Hamas health authority.

 

Here check out what sources are:

 

Missed this? Media claimed Gaza faced “imminent famine” and 70% of casualties were women and children. Here’s the catch: no famine, just speculation. And those casualty stats? Based on a tiny, skewed sample. Bad journalism or bias?

https://honestreporting.com/media-spread-baseless-gaza-famine-casualty-reports-despite-debunking-evidence/

 

Never forget who the journalists of Gaza are.

 

Your statement saying you don't trust any Israeli government source reveals exactly where you are on this. You are outed fella. Jewish facts are still facts.

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

5 hours ago, rickudon said:

Scale of destruction in Gaza.

 

The scale and pace of destruction and damage of buildings in the Gaza Strip ranks among the severest in modern history,^{[908][909][910]} surpassing the bombing of Dresden, Hamburg, and London combined during World War II,^{[911][912][913][ah]} and included apartment buildings, hospitals, schools, religious sites, factories, shopping centres, and municipal infrastructure.^[913] As of January 2024, researchers at Oregon State University and the City University of New York estimated that 50–62% of buildings in the Gaza Strip had been damaged or destroyed.^{[915][916][ai][aj]} The damage to buildings in northern Gaza reportedly exceeds that in Bakhmut and Mariupol in the Russian invasion of Ukraine,^[912] Aleppo in the Battle of Aleppo,^[908] and Mosul and Raqqa in the War against the Islamic State.^[908] The 29,000 munitions Israel had dropped on Gaza in three months exceeded the amount (3,678) dropped by the US between 2004 and 2010 after its invasion of Iraq.^[919] According to satellite analyses, 68% of roads, 70% of greenhouses, and nearly 70% of tree crops have been damaged or destroyed.^[920] After a year, the UN estimates that a total of 42m tonnes of rubble clutter the Strip, to clear and rebuild which might take 80 years and cost over $80bn.^[921] An earlier estimate worked out that 300 kilograms of rubble on average existed per square meter of Gaza.^[922]

 

^{https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel–Hamas_war#cite_note-174}

Another fine example of your ignorance to what sources are and the real facts. Your link above focuses mainly on the destruction of Gaza as of Jan 2024.

 

Yet the UN's own satellite data records clearly that only 30% of buildings in Gaza have been damaged at that time.

 

A New Satellite Imagery Analysis Reveals 30% of Gaza Strip Structures Damaged

2 February 2024, Geneva, Switzerland – The United Nations Satellite Centre - UNOSAT released a comprehensive assessment of the damage and destruction inflicted on structures in the Gaza Strip. The analysis, based on very high-resolution satellite imagery collected on 6 and 7 January, paints a stark picture of the extent of devastation in the Gaza Strip.

The satellite imagery, acquired on 6 and 7 January 2024, 

https://unitar.org/about/news-stories/press/new-satellite-imagery-analysis-reveals-30-gaza-strip-structures-damaged

 

I hope you are thanking Hamas for all the above destruction.

 

[placnx]

On 11/29/2024 at 6:51 PM, Bkk Brian said:

False, enough of the propaganda from you, it is certainly reporting facts as well as fact based opinions. Just one of the numerous facts reported:

 

"In assessing Israel’s ongoing conflict with Hamas, Ms. Nderitu argued that it did not meet the definition of genocide. She acknowledged the tragic civilian toll but pointed to Israel's stated intent: dismantling a terrorist organization rather than eradicating an ethnic group. Israel, she noted, has taken significant steps to minimize civilian casualties, even as Hamas reportedly uses Palestinian civilians as shields, exploiting their deaths for propaganda."

Ms Nderitu was just echoing propagandistic claims of Israel, just as the Wall Street Journal Opinion of the Editorial Board does.