Australia Urged to Rethink ICC Membership Amid Controversial Arrest Warrants

[billd766]

6 hours ago, dinsdale said:

The Australian Labor Government is a full on member of the progressive woke left. Their position in power is looking very much like that of the Dems in the US. No way will they rethink their ICC membership. As @sherwood they don't want to upset the Muslim voters but I would add to that free Palestine mob which of course are not all Arab or Muslim but are progressive idiots.

Are they all idiots just because they don't agree with your opinion?

[Nick Carter icp]

3 hours ago, JBChiangRai said:

 

There are well documented war crimes being committed by Israeli soldiers, most recently with drones killing injured children, there are multiple eye-witness accounts.

 

To prove Netanyahu is guilty of war crimes you have to either prove he ordered war crimes directly, or that Israel's response is not proportional.  The former is impossible, the latter is down to a jury to decide.

 

   Those are just allegations and those allegations wouldn't stand up in Court .

   You would need evidence of those alleged war crimes first before you could bring a  prosecution .

   You don't actually have any evidence of alleged war crimes by Israel .

There is lots of evidence of Hamas war crimes though

[JBChiangRai]

17 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Those are just allegations and those allegations wouldn't stand up in Court .

   You would need evidence of those alleged war crimes first before you could bring a  prosecution .

   You don't actually have any evidence of alleged war crimes by Israel .

There is lots of evidence of Hamas war crimes though

 

You are entitled to your opinion, I did address the fact they are allegations and well documented and I gave references.

 

On the other hand, you have opinion, which is backed up with ... ?

 

I respectfully, disagree with your opinion.

[MalcolmB]

1 hour ago, mdr224 said:

What kind of logic is that! Its like youve accepted that arabic will be englands first language in a few decades

My language, English is your first language so you make a strange point.

 

And I think you have been listening to too much to right wing Nazi looneys.

 

May 21, 2024 — According to the 2021 Census, 81.7% of the population of England and Wales was white, 9.3% Asian, 4.0% black, 2.9% mixed and 2.1% from other ethnic groups.

 

As of the latest American Community Survey in 2022, US Census Bureau estimates that 60.9% of the US population Non-Hispanic Whites were 57.7% of the population.

 

 

[Nick Carter icp]

 

8 hours ago, JBChiangRai said:

 

I was quite clear about the well documented war crimes committed by Israeli soldiers not likely being Netanyahu's responsibility and the test that would be applied to Netanyahu.

 

 

5 hours ago, JBChiangRai said:

 

You are entitled to your opinion, I did address the fact they are allegations and well documented and I gave references.

 

 

   Your first post contradicts what you said in the second post .

You initially claimed that there were  "well documented war crimes committed by Israeli soldiers" and then in the 2nd post you changed that to saying they are were just allegations of war crimes .

[Nick Carter icp]

5 hours ago, JBChiangRai said:

 

On the other hand, you have opinion, which is backed up with ... ?

 

I respectfully, disagree with your opinion.

 

   Are you asking me to provide evidence to back up my claim that Hamas have committed war crimes ?

   If so , then ask directly and stop being so vague

[Bkk Brian]

Growing list of countries now questioning the warrants.

 

International Criminal Court’s arrest warrant for Israeli officials is wrong, does not help solve problem: Greece

The International Criminal Court’s (ICC) decision to issue arrest warrants for Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and former defense chief Yaov Gallant is wrong and does not help to solve problems, Greece argued Tuesday.

"These decisions do not help. We cannot equate a state that suffered a terrorist attack, in this case by Hamas, with nations that initiated attacks, such as Russia in Ukraine”

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/europe/international-criminal-court-s-arrest-warrant-for-israeli-officials-is-wrong-does-not-help-solve-problem-greece/3405624

[JBChiangRai]

11 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

 

 

   Your first post contradicts what you said in the second post .

You initially claimed that there were  "well documented war crimes committed by Israeli soldiers" and then in the 2nd post you changed that to saying they are were just allegations of war crimes .

 

11 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Are you asking me to provide evidence to back up my claim that Hamas have committed war crimes ?

   If so , then ask directly and stop being so vague

 

Deflect, deflect, deflect.

 

You seem to deny everything to do with Israel.  Hardly a day goes by without me reading additional allegations about more war crimes committed by the IDF.

 

Don't attempt to change the subject by bringing in Hamas.

 

I suspect you are extremely biased, could it be you are Israeli or Jewish? 

 

I am neither Israeli, Jewish, Arab or Muslim and before you go there, No I am not anti-semitic.  I am however anti Israel following all the women & children killed in Gaza.

 

Read carefully what I said.  Well documented war crimes can be either allegations or proven.

 

One of the tests for Netanyahu being proven a war criminal is whether his response is proportional.  From where I sit, that's looking unlikely.  There's also the issue of International Law, Netanyahu is undoubtedly guilty of allowing settlements in the West Bank, contrary to International Law.

 

I also have suspicions that the operation in Gaza will ultimately turn into a land grab by Israel.

 

[Nick Carter icp]

31 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

 

 

Deflect, deflect, deflect.

 

You seem to deny everything to do with Israel.  Hardly a day goes by without me reading additional allegations about more war crimes committed by the IDF.

 

   No defection at all , I was alsing to clarify your post as your post wasn't clear .

   Yes , there are allegation of Israeli war crimes on a daily basis , as there are countless other regular allegations from the Pally siding press , the "imminent mass starvation in Gaza" allegations went on for well over a year and no one actually starved there . 

  My point was that the war crimes are just allegations , you initially claimed that actual war crimes have occurred, now you quite rightly state that they are just allegations  .

  As you cannot name any actual war crimes by Israel (even though you read about it everyday) , the allegations need to be dropped . 

   Name the so called war crimes that you keep reading about 

[Nick Carter icp]

42 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

 

One of the tests for Netanyahu being proven a war criminal is whether his response is proportional.  From where I sit, that's looking unlikely.  There's also the issue of International Law, Netanyahu is undoubtedly guilty of allowing settlements in the West Bank, contrary to International Law.

 

I also have suspicions that the operation in Gaza will ultimately turn into a land grab by Israel.

 

 

   Until Hamas have been defeated and they surrender , then the war against them is just and proportional .

   Its a war crime to take hostages and to hold hostages , you are incredulously claiming that its a war crime to try and free the hostages .

   Crazy World we are living in .

Hamas commit war crimes by taking hostages and holding them for over a year , Israel wages war against war criminals and tries to free the hostages and Israel gets accused of being war criminals .

   I sometimes think think that I am living in some parallel universe .

 

(BTW , West bank settlements may or may not be illegal , but they are NOT war crimes , so irrelevant to the topic discussion )

[JBChiangRai]

16 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   No defection at all , I was alsing to clarify your post as your post wasn't clear .

   Yes , there are allegation of Israeli war crimes on a daily basis , as there are countless other regular allegations from the Pally siding press , the "imminent mass starvation in Gaza" allegations went on for well over a year and no one actually starved there . 

  My point was that the war crimes are just allegations , you initially claimed that actual war crimes have occurred, now you quite rightly state that they are just allegations  .

  As you cannot name any actual war crimes by Israel (even though you read about it everyday) , the allegations need to be dropped . 

   Name the so called war crimes that you keep reading about 

 

 

The crimes I specifically mentioned, are well documented ...

 

Israel uses sniper drones in Gaza, eyewitnesses say : NPR

Gaza surgeon describes drones targeting children

 

A crime can be alleged or proven, in either case it's still a crime until disproven.

 

 

 

4 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

  

(BTW , West bank settlements may or may not be illegal , but they are NOT war crimes , so irrelevant to the topic discussion )

 

There is no "maybe", they ARE illegal.

 

I notice you didn't comment on your (IMHO) obvious bias.

 

I don't believe Netanyahu is interested in freeing the hostages.  His strategy seems to be destruction of domiciles and infrastructure and I suspect this is a prelude to a land grab, in line with the map he presented to the UN on September 22nd 2023 showing Gaza and the West Bank as Israel.  I will be exceedingly surprised if this war ends with the whole of Gaza still being Palestine.

[Nick Carter icp]

26 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

 

 

The crimes I specifically mentioned, are well documented ...

 

Israel uses sniper drones in Gaza, eyewitnesses say : NPR

Gaza surgeon describes drones targeting children

 

A crime can be alleged or proven, in either case it's still a crime until disproven.

 

 

 

  We have innocent until proven guilty rules in most Western Countries .

An allegation is an allegation until it is proven .

  Palestinian supporters have made numerous false claims , claims that have later been found to be untrue .

  Hamas members , actual fighters being classified as journalists , aid workers, children and various other category of people .

   Palestinian supporters frequently lie about things  , their claims cannot be trusted 

Edited 2 hours ago by Nick Carter icp

[JBChiangRai]

1 minute ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

  We have innocent until proven guilty rules in most Western Countries .

An allegation is an allegation until it is proven .

  Palestinian supporters have made numerous false claims , claims that have later been found to be untrue .

  Hamas members , actual fighters being classified as journalists , aid workers, children and various other category of people .

   Palestinian supported frequently lie about things  , their claims cannot be trusted 

 

You're a racist.

[Nick Carter icp]

19 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

 

 

The crimes I specifically mentioned, are well documented ...

 

Israel uses sniper drones in Gaza, eyewitnesses say : NPR

Gaza surgeon describes drones targeting children

 

A crime can be alleged or proven, in either case it's still a crime until disproven.

 

 

 

 

There is no "maybe", they ARE illegal.

 

I notice you didn't comment on your (IMHO) obvious bias.

 

I don't believe Netanyahu is interested in freeing the hostages.  His strategy seems to be destruction of domiciles and infrastructure and I suspect this is a prelude to a land grab, in line with the map he presented to the UN on September 22nd 2023 showing Gaza and the West Bank as Israel.  I will be exceedingly surprised if this war ends with the whole of Gaza still being Palestine.

 

   Once again , even if the Judean settlement  are illegal (which is debatable) , it wouldn't be a war crime, so its irrelevant to the discussion .

[JBChiangRai]

1 minute ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Once again , even if the Judean settlement  are illegal (which is debatable) , it wouldn't be a war crime, so its irrelevant to the discussion .

 

Again you Deflect, Deflect, Deflect.

[Nick Carter icp]

6 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

 

You're a racist.

 

  LOL, are Palestinian supporters a race of people ?

I could only be racist if Palestinian supporters  were a race of people , but Palestinian supporters are all different races of people , so I cannot be racist when correctly stating that Palestinian supporters frequently lie about things and make false claims .

  

[Bkk Brian]

33 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

 

 

The crimes I specifically mentioned, are well documented ...

 

Israel uses sniper drones in Gaza, eyewitnesses say : NPR

Gaza surgeon describes drones targeting children

 

A crime can be alleged or proven, in either case it's still a crime until disproven.

 

 

 

 

There is no "maybe", they ARE illegal.

 

I notice you didn't comment on your (IMHO) obvious bias.

 

I don't believe Netanyahu is interested in freeing the hostages.  His strategy seems to be destruction of domiciles and infrastructure and I suspect this is a prelude to a land grab, in line with the map he presented to the UN on September 22nd 2023 showing Gaza and the West Bank as Israel.  I will be exceedingly surprised if this war ends with the whole of Gaza still being Palestine.

These are allegations not proven crimes, you are being deliberately misleading. Even some of the witnesses are extremely suspect including Prof Nizam Mamode who was sacked from Great Ormond Street Hospital

[Nick Carter icp]

5 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

 

Again you Deflect, Deflect, Deflect.

 

   Not at all .

You were deflecting . 

You made the claim of war crimes in the Gaza war , as you wasn't able to provide any examples, you changed the subject to Settlements in Judea/West bank .

   I was actually stopping your deflection by pointing out the the Judean settlements are a different topic 

   

[JBChiangRai]

11 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

These are allegations not proven crimes, you are being deliberately misleading. Even some of the witnesses are extremely suspect including Prof Nizam Mamode who was sacked from Great Ormond Street Hospital

 

7 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Not at all .

You were deflecting . 

You made the claim of war crimes in the Gaza war , as you wasn't able to provide any examples, you changed the subject to Settlements in Judea/West bank .

   I was actually stopping your deflection by pointing out the the Judean settlements are a different topic 

   

 

You are both extremely biased, would you both be Jewish or Israeli perchance?

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, JBChiangRai said:

 

 

You are both extremely biased, would you both be Jewish or Israeli perchance?

Deflection from the facts presented to you rather than than your false claims. No I am not Jewish or come from Israel and even if I did that would make zero difference on the facts presented.

[Nick Carter icp]

3 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

 

 

You are both extremely biased, would you both be Jewish or Israeli perchance?

 

   You should know that its against forum rules to ask personal questions and to seek personal information  . 

  It maybe a good idea for you to delete your post as it contravenes forum rules 

[JBChiangRai]

4 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   You should know that its against forum rules to ask personal questions and to seek personal information  . 

  It maybe a good idea for you to delete your post as it contravenes forum rules 

 

It's not a personal question, it's generally considered good practice to declare any interest in a subject when it questions your objectivity.

 

I see clear bias in your posts and question your objectivity.

[Nick Carter icp]

Just now, JBChiangRai said:

 

It's not a personal question, it's generally considered good practice to declare any interest in a subject when it questions your objectivity.

 

I see clear bias in your posts and question your objectivity.

 

  Asking a poster  what  their Religion is and what Country they are from IS asking personal questions and seeking real life information .

[Bkk Brian]

9 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

 

It's not a personal question, it's generally considered good practice to declare any interest in a subject when it questions your objectivity.

 

I see clear bias in your posts and question your objectivity.

I also see clear bias in your posts but have no interest in your religion or nationality

[Nick Carter icp]

12 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

 

It's not a personal question, it's generally considered good practice to declare any interest in a subject when it questions your objectivity.

 

I see clear bias in your posts and question your objectivity.

 

   A persons Religious persuasions wouldn't be indicative of any biasedness because there are Jewish people who support the Palestinian cause and oppose Zionism .

   So, you are incorrectly claiming that a Jew would be biased towards Israel , where in fact that isn't the case because Jews are often on your side of the war 

[thaibeachlovers]

22 hours ago, Thingamabob said:

Depends on how the word 'law' is defined in this context.

International law that countries have agreed to abide by.