Russia’s economy is doomed

[thaibeachlovers]

4 hours ago, Gweiloman said:

Did Putin say so or is that another classic example of western narrative misinformation?

Is that one of those rhetorical questions?

[thaibeachlovers]

On 1/9/2025 at 1:58 PM, stevenl said:

This thread is about the Russian economy. Can we get back on topic please.

Why? It's obvious the Russian economy is not doomed, unless one actually believes western propaganda- you know, the propaganda that said Russia had run out of ammunition, missiles and men a year ago.

[transam]

3 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

In western propaganda anything is possible, but one wonders about those that believe it.

 

If the Russians don't have any ammunition they can surely defeat NATO with those Chinese shovels.

What about your Russian propaganda, we never read anything about that from you, tell us why.........? 🤔

[stevenl]

3 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Why? It's obvious the Russian economy is not doomed, unless one actually believes western propaganda- you know, the propaganda that said Russia had run out of ammunition, missiles and men a year ago.

Took you months to come up with a ridiculous answer like that 

I gather you disagree with the title of the topic. Please don't answer.

[3NUMBAS]

Russia  collapse in 50 yrs

 

 

https://newsukraine.rbc.ua/news/russia-s-predicted-collapse-within-50-years-1736683038.html

[Highball]

This is rubbish post and obvious propaganda. Even the avatar screams Ukraine.

 

Prediction of collapse well past my death .. you are a wizard sir.

 

Russia is despite all the sanctions and a war it was forced into - doing better than the whole of EU. Russia isn't going anywhere

 

This sort of stuff absolutely must be removed from the forum if THIS FORUM doesn't collapse

[Highball]

Let's all revisit this thread in 90 days for a great laugh shall we?

[jvs]

7 minutes ago, Highball said:

This is rubbish post and obvious propaganda. Even the avatar screams Ukraine.

 

Prediction of collapse well past my death .. you are a wizard sir.

 

Russia is despite all the sanctions and a war it was forced into - doing better than the whole of EU. Russia isn't going anywhere

 

This sort of stuff absolutely must be removed from the forum if THIS FORUM doesn't collapse

Can you please give a few examples why and how Russia is doing better then the EU?

oh and while you are at it,can you explain to me please why Russia was forced into this?

Did some country try to attack or invade them?

 

[Highball]

13 minutes ago, jvs said:

Can you please give a few examples why and how Russia is doing better then the EU?

oh and while you are at it,can you explain to me please why Russia was forced into this?

Did some country try to attack or invade them?

 

I'm tired of explaining things tonight.

 

Biden?

Burisma?

2014 coup?

Mining resources?

 

Deep state / MiC wetdream to topple Putin.

 

Totally aggravate Russia by forcing NATO on Ukraine wholly unnecessary.

 

EU lives in fear of Russia. That's an EU problem! Nevertheless they buy the gas and oil and enrich the Russia. Hilarious

 

EU is so freaking weak.

 

US pushed Russia to a point it has to act as if nothing else it's sovereignty and reputation on the line.

 

US has hissy fit accuses Russia of all sorts of BS which US started and instagated. All just blah blah, propaganda.

 

Then it's game on.

 

 

If this was a serious war with serious repercussions Trump would not be so quick to want to settle it. It's just BS

 

Russia and Ukraine are siblings with 1000 year history.

 

Ukraine like it or not is in Russias orbit and we should respect that.

 

Now like 1M dead kids over this absolutely senseless war.

 

Ukraine it's one of the most corrupt countries on the planet. It's not worth $1 of us aid nor worth losing one life over. If the ukrainians really want complete sovereignty from Russia let them fight to the nail to the end for it.

[Highball]

37 minutes ago, 3NUMBAS said:

Russia  collapse in 50 yrs

 

 

https://newsukraine.rbc.ua/news/russia-s-predicted-collapse-within-50-years-1736683038.html

 

What is this trash domain lol? Bias much 😂TOTAL propaganda

[Highball]

9 hours ago, transam said:

What about your Russian propaganda, we never read anything about that from you, tell us why.........? 🤔

 

Pro Russia news *doesn't last* long lol

[Highball]

Seven pages and rated one star

 

There's a reason for that

[thaibeachlovers]

3 hours ago, Highball said:

I'm tired of explaining things tonight.

I don't think they care about anything that isn't supporting their opinion and western propaganda. They keep repeating the same things as if that will make it true, like the Russians economy is doomed, LOL. Don't hear much about how Russia is running out of munitions though- that used to be the mantra a while back.

[stevenl]

10 hours ago, Highball said:

I'm tired of explaining things tonight.

 

Biden?

Burisma?

2014 coup?

Mining resources?

 

Deep state / MiC wetdream to topple Putin.

 

Totally aggravate Russia by forcing NATO on Ukraine wholly unnecessary.

 

EU lives in fear of Russia. That's an EU problem! Nevertheless they buy the gas and oil and enrich the Russia. Hilarious

 

EU is so freaking weak.

 

US pushed Russia to a point it has to act as if nothing else it's sovereignty and reputation on the line.

 

US has hissy fit accuses Russia of all sorts of BS which US started and instagated. All just blah blah, propaganda.

 

Then it's game on.

 

 

If this was a serious war with serious repercussions Trump would not be so quick to want to settle it. It's just BS

 

Russia and Ukraine are siblings with 1000 year history.

 

Ukraine like it or not is in Russias orbit and we should respect that.

 

Now like 1M dead kids over this absolutely senseless war.

 

Ukraine it's one of the most corrupt countries on the planet. It's not worth $1 of us aid nor worth losing one life over. If the ukrainians really want complete sovereignty from Russia let them fight to the nail to the end for it.

You forgot to mention Ukrainians are Nazis.

[RuamRudy]

12 hours ago, Highball said:

Ukraine it's one of the most corrupt countries on the planet.

Up there with Russia. 

 

12 hours ago, Highball said:

If the ukrainians really want complete sovereignty from Russia let them fight to the nail to the end for it.

 

Why should they have to? Sovereignty to an independent country is not Putin's or Russia's to give. 

[jvs]

13 hours ago, Highball said:

I'm tired of explaining things tonight.

 

Biden?

Burisma?

2014 coup?

Mining resources?

 

Deep state / MiC wetdream to topple Putin.

 

Totally aggravate Russia by forcing NATO on Ukraine wholly unnecessary.

 

EU lives in fear of Russia. That's an EU problem! Nevertheless they buy the gas and oil and enrich the Russia. Hilarious

 

EU is so freaking weak.

 

US pushed Russia to a point it has to act as if nothing else it's sovereignty and reputation on the line.

 

US has hissy fit accuses Russia of all sorts of BS which US started and instagated. All just blah blah, propaganda.

 

Then it's game on.

 

 

If this was a serious war with serious repercussions Trump would not be so quick to want to settle it. It's just BS

 

Russia and Ukraine are siblings with 1000 year history.

 

Ukraine like it or not is in Russias orbit and we should respect that.

 

Now like 1M dead kids over this absolutely senseless war.

 

Ukraine it's one of the most corrupt countries on the planet. It's not worth $1 of us aid nor worth losing one life over. If the ukrainians really want complete sovereignty from Russia let them fight to the nail to the end for it.

That is the most bs i have read in one post for a long time.

Most of your stuff has been debunked many times over but all you do is keep repeating the same old Russian propaganda.

I  asked you for some examples how the Russian economy is doing so great,no answer.

Why not?Because the Russian economy is doing really bad but you do not want to see that.

At least you have a fan in beachboy.

[GroveHillWanderer]

I posted this link on another thread but I think it's actually more apposite here. 

 

Ukraine and Russia’s Collapsing Home Front

 

https://nationalinterest.org/feature/ukraine-and-russia’s-collapsing-home-front-213869

[thaibeachlovers]

17 hours ago, stevenl said:

You forgot to mention Ukrainians are Nazis.

Perhaps, but they are certainly corrupt. Terrible reputation pre war and one wonders how much western support went to the front as opposed into certain people's pockets.

[jvs]

6 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Perhaps, but they are certainly corrupt. Terrible reputation pre war and one wonders how much western support went to the front as opposed into certain people's pockets.

I understand your concern about corruption.

If only the russians would win and eradicate corruption in the Ukraine ,oops wait!

Russia is far more corrupt then the Ukraine!!!

The Ukrainian government has been coming down on corruption pretty hard but it is something that

was/is very common in the USSR and Russia and of course The Ukraine was the same way.

One of the reasons the russian are doing "so well" is corruption!

 

[RuamRudy]

7 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Perhaps, but they are certainly corrupt. Terrible reputation pre war and one wonders how much western support went to the front as opposed into certain people's pockets.

 

Corruption permeates every country and every society. When I lived and worked in Russia, it was almost admired - those with the skill to manoeuvre themselves into a position they could exploit were generally seen as the clever ones who should be respected and even emulated.

 

In the mid 2000's in the city I lived in, there were a total of 3 Hummers to be seen on the roads. One belonged to an Armenian guy who owned a string of legit businesses but also controlled all the fresh flowers for sale in the city - I know it sounds like a joke, but Russians love buying flowers and the market there is huge; he got a cut of all flower sales from all retailers. The other 2 Hummers - one was owned by the head of the tax collection service in the city, and the second was owned by his wife. 

 

The fact that these people flaunted their wealth so extravagantly led to no repercussions - everyone knew who they were and how they got rich; what we see as corruption, Russians see as business. 

 

Corruption in Ukraine is nothing to be extolled, but it should be no reason to attempt to overthrow democracy, especially when the ones doing the overthrowing as as bad or even worse. 

[thaibeachlovers]

4 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

Corruption in Ukraine is nothing to be extolled, but it should be no reason to attempt to overthrow democracy, especially when the ones doing the overthrowing as as bad or even worse. 

Corruption in Russia does not excuse it in Ukraine, and it is a reason to not be funding a war that is nothing to do with the west. The only reason I see for doing so is that they are white, while the Hill Tribes in Burma are brown, and we don't fund them, despite being every bit as deserving as the Ukrainians. Perhaps it's because not enough profit as they don't need Leopards or planes or missiles.

 

I find the entire proxy war in Ukraine to be an exercise in hypocrisy, and of course a means for the usual suspects to part the lowly taxpayers from as much of their money as possible, under the guise of fighting the evil Russians.

 

It's not as though Putin has any intention of invading a NATO country, despite the propaganda.

[thaibeachlovers]

23 hours ago, RuamRudy said:

Why should they have to? Sovereignty to an independent country is not Putin's or Russia's to give. 

Yes it is, but that's no reason to deprive the nurses and ambulance drivers in the UK a well deserved pay rise, as all the money is being spent on killing people in Ukraine, as opposed to the nurses who only save lives, so not as deserving, apparently.

[stevenl]

6 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

The only reason I see for doing so is that they are white, while the Hill Tribes in Burma are brown, and we don't fund them, despite being every bit as deserving as the Ukrainians.

Maybe look at the location for another reason.

[thaibeachlovers]

17 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Maybe look at the location for another reason.

So what? It's not part of any treaty with the west, and it was part of the S U for many years and the west didn't go to war to save it from Stalin, who killed many thousands more than Putin has.

 

Western propaganda hasn't given me a single valid reason for supporting Ukraine, other than it makes certain Americans very rich.

 

Supporting the Hill Tribes would not cost more than a week or so of what is being spent in Ukraine, and easily supplied through Thailand. They could certainly do with a few of the anti air shoulder fired missiles that America gave to the Afghan resistance. You know, the guys that became the Taliban and supported the man responsible for flying planes into the WTC.

 

So, please don't give me any of that waffle that it's being done to support freedom from tyranny.

[stevenl]

2 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

So what? It's not part of any treaty with the west, and it was part of the S U for many years and the west didn't go to war to save it from Stalin, who killed many thousands more than Putin has.

 

Western propaganda hasn't given me a single valid reason for supporting Ukraine, other than it makes certain Americans very rich.

 

Supporting the Hill Tribes would not cost more than a week or so of what is being spent in Ukraine, and easily supplied through Thailand. They could certainly do with a few of the anti air shoulder fired missiles that America gave to the Afghan resistance. You know, the guys that became the Taliban and supported the man responsible for flying planes into the WTC.

 

So, please don't give me any of that waffle that it's being done to support freedom from tyranny.

You said "The only reason I see for doing so is that they are white", i gave you another reason.  And apparently more reason for off topic waffle.

[thaibeachlovers]

47 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

Corruption permeates every country and every society.

Rubbish. While it may exist to a small degree at high levels in NZ, it certainly does not "permeate" the society. Singapore is well known for being anti corruption. I never had any suggestion of corruption in the UK in my dealings with officialdom, and the same in Thailand, and the Thai embassy in London and the Thai consulate in Auckland. I suggest that your definition of "permeate" is somewhat different from my own.

[thaibeachlovers]

2 minutes ago, stevenl said:

You said "The only reason I see for doing so is that they are white", i gave you another reason.  And apparently more reason for off topic waffle.

I don't consider location to be a valid reason for the west to give Ukraine loadsacash. It's nowhere near the USA ( or Britain ).

 

 

And apparently more reason for off topic waffle.

Ever heard the saying "those that live in glass houses should not throw stones"?

[RuamRudy]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Rubbish. While it may exist to a small degree at high levels in NZ, it certainly does not "permeate" the society. Singapore is well known for being anti corruption. I never had any suggestion of corruption in the UK in my dealings with officialdom, and the same in Thailand, and the Thai embassy in London and the Thai consulate in Auckland. I suggest that your definition of "permeate" is somewhat different from my own.

 

The levels of sophistication certainly vary according to the country, but it would be very naïve to suggest that corruption doesn't thrive in the western facing world. From the awarding of blatantly unfair covid contract to friends and donors, to the awarding of gongs and baubles to friends and supporters, the UK is no less corrupt than any other country - it is just that we go about it in a different way. 

[RuamRudy]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I don't consider location to be a valid reason for the west to give Ukraine loadsacash. It's nowhere near the USA ( or Britain ).

 

 

And apparently more reason for off topic waffle.

Ever heard the saying "those that live in glass houses should not throw stones"?

 

It is on the very fringes of the EU; the EU itself is being threatened and EU countries' infrastructure being sabotaged. Russian agents have been murdering dissidents across Europe - and also killing citizens of the countries they have been operating in - all with impunity. It is not an abstract affair on the other side of the world - it is happening on our doorstep and in our front yard.

[thaibeachlovers]

Just now, RuamRudy said:

 

The levels of sophistication certainly vary according to the country, but it would be very naïve to suggest that corruption doesn't thrive in the western facing world. From the awarding of blatantly unfair covid contract to friends and donors, to the awarding of gongs and baubles to friends and supporters, the UK is no less corrupt than any other country - it is just that we go about it in a different way. 

Agree with all that, but it doesn't normally affect ordinary citizens. I didn't have to bribe anyone to get a driving license in either the UK or Thailand, and certainly not in NZ.