Myanmar Navy Fires on Thai Fishing Boats in Thai Waters, Seizing Two Vessels

[Burma Bill]

4 hours ago, Sig said:

 

 

Among others who think that Burma is within their rights to defend their territorial waters.... Yeah, sure they are, of course, but I think you'd be very hard pressed to find that they were within their rights here! Unless, of course, a major part of the story is missing - that the Thai fishermen responded to the Burmese legal (assuming they were in Burmese waters) boarding and inspections of their vessels, with violence. If that were the case, then it could warrant shots fired. International law doesn't call for poachers to be killed on sight! That is insane to give even an ounce of defense to such an action. "Nothing to see here"?  Murder is no big deal in some people's book, apparently. Just wait until it hits your family....

 

With respect, I do not get your gist about "murder". Very sadly, the Thai fisherman who died, drowned when he jumped into the sea along with some of his workmates. No suggestion of being shot or murdered by Burmese naval personnel.  For reference:

 

"Three fishermen jumped into the water during the incident, one of whom drowned while two were rescued by the Thai navy, Thanatip said"

 

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/myanmar-navy-fires-thai-fishing-boats-detains-31-fishermen-thailand-says-2024-11-30/

 

Personally, I detest the current Burmese Junta and hope it will soon be erased from power.

[NoDisplayName]

On 12/2/2024 at 8:42 AM, harryviking said:

I consider Thailand as cowards if they do not respond with real force and show these bastards who is the boss in Thai territories!

 

Perhaps that's exactly what the Myanmar navy were doing.

Showing the serial poachers who's da boss.

 

[BTB1977]

And in the  north the Myanmar military has their military camps on thai soil so not to be attacked. Seems they can do what they want. And thailand has zero balls to do anything about it. 

[Sig]

11 hours ago, Burma Bill said:

 

With respect, I do not get your gist about "murder". Very sadly, the Thai fisherman who died, drowned when he jumped into the sea along with some of his workmates. No suggestion of being shot or murdered by Burmese naval personnel.  For reference:

 

"Three fishermen jumped into the water during the incident, one of whom drowned while two were rescued by the Thai navy, Thanatip said"

 

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/myanmar-navy-fires-thai-fishing-boats-detains-31-fishermen-thailand-says-2024-11-30/

 

Personally, I detest the current Burmese Junta and hope it will soon be erased from power.

Reasonable question. Yes, I believe it could be argued as a second degree murder. Of course, it depends on any given country's different sorts of laws on murder. In the U.S., second degree murder would apply if the attackers acted without premeditation (this was obviously a premeditated attempt to kill, so that would make a stronger case against the Burmese), but with "malice aforethought or extreme recklessness" and "demonstrated a depraved indifference to human life". The attackers don't need to be the immediate cause of death, like a bullet in them, but as a secondary cause of death due to their actions.
I can't imagine it as anything other than murder in this case, but if for some reason or another it didn't fit the laws here, it's difficult to imagine that it wouldn't at the very least be manslaughter. It was a heinous unjust reckless action with nothing but intention to kill or grievously harm. If the fishermen were in Burmese waters, the law would allow the Burmese to board, inspect, and seize their vessels and arrest the perpetrators, not to use lethal force or otherwise harm them. That is, of course, assuming the fishermen were not armed or responding with violence.
Yeah, "erased from power" would be the least I feel toward the genocidal tyrants who have usurped power there. I think erased from existence would be more beneficial. I guess I'm not as diplomatic and polite as you  😅

[watchcat]

On 12/2/2024 at 2:29 AM, Watawattana said:

Classic misunderstanding.

 

Correct, don't lose face whatever happpens.

[paul1804]

On 12/2/2024 at 11:47 AM, Jonathan Swift said:

I never heard that they are supporting this regime.  It's much more complicated than appears on the surface. My research shows that the regimes are intertwined, that each depends on the other for necessary imports/exports. Thailand is extremely dependent on Myanmar for a wide range of needs.That's certainly not the same as propping up a regime for political reasons. This reminds me of how the Chinese are harassing the Filipinos, except the Chines never fired on anyone, to their credit. https://fulcrum.sg/neighbour-to-civil-war-thailands-relations-with-myanmar-in-2024/

Well what we do know is the Thailand supplies them with aviation fuel so they can bomb the "S" out of their own citizens. Remember the Junta are an illegal entity so everything they are doing to their people just to name a few from human rights abuses, torturing innocent people, numerous killings of civilians, openly torturing and killing the resistance, destroying dwelling, schools, hospitals and infrastructure, stealing, land grabbing, displacing probably many more than a million people etc etc is illegal and Thailand doesnt have the morals or ethics to come out and condemn their actions, it sounds like you condone them as well!!! 

[watchcat]

On 12/2/2024 at 5:54 AM, NatureFilm said:

Time to send the Aircraft Carrier “HTMS Chakri Naruebet”! The aircrafts can be ordered later

 

If they can start it?

[watchcat]

On 12/2/2024 at 1:42 AM, harryviking said:

I consider Thailand as cowards if they do not respond with real force and show these bastards who is the boss in Thai territories!

 

Still Thailands military are spending billions on war equipment yearly, but they never use them, why is that?

[watchcat]

16 hours ago, NoDisplayName said:

Showing the serial poachers who's da boss.

 

Thailand is  just waitng for the order from Xi

[Burma Bill]

1 hour ago, watchcat said:

 

Still Thailands military are spending billions on war equipment yearly, but they never use them, why is that?

 

"FOR SHOW"?

[Patong2021]

On 12/1/2024 at 8:42 PM, harryviking said:

I consider Thailand as cowards if they do not respond with real force and show these bastards who is the boss in Thai territories!

 

You have assumed that the incident occurred in Thai waters. There is no evidence to support your assumption. On the contrary, Thailand has a long history of fishing in the waters of other nations. Are you aware of the piracy problem off the coast of Somalia? Do you know the origins of the  pirates?  Years ago, those pirates were local fisherman. Foreign fishing fleets would come into the Somali waters and overfish, leaving nothing behind for the locals. That's when the locals turned to piracy.  One of the worst offenders was Thailand.

 

Fish catches by Thailand’s distant-water fleet fishing throughout the Indo-Pacific are almost seven times higher than what the country reports to the Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations. The fact that Thai authorities still cannot account for an important amount of what Thai vessels are catching beyond its borders puts the entire industry in jeopardy. “Unsustainable and illegal practices, as well as slavery and human trafficking, are still widespread. Knowing this, the European Union gave Thailand a ‘yellow-card status,’    https://www.seaaroundus.org/thailand-hides-big-numbers-when-it-comes-to-its-fish-catches-in-neighbouring-waters/

 

This is nothing new and was reported on again  last May. Thai plan to relax fishing law stokes fear of return to illegal catches, worker abuse  https://news.mongabay.com/2024/05/thai-plan-to-relax-fishing-law-stokes-fear-of-return-to-iuu-catches-worker-abuse/

 

https://www.welthungerhilfe.org/global-food-journal/rubrics/climate-resources/fishy-business-damage-done-by-distant-water-fishing

 

 

On 12/1/2024 at 5:25 PM, cardinalblue said:

The main issue of dispute will be whose waters were the Thai fishing boats were in?

 

of course Thais will say the boats were in Thai waters…now that will need to be verified or proven wrong by Burma as well as what is the appropriate action to take if they were given civilians were involved 

 

Congratulations, for being one of the few rational people and taking into consideration past conduct of Thai fishing fleets.

 

[NoDisplayName]

8 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

You have assumed that the incident occurred in Thai waters. There is no evidence to support your assumption. On the contrary, Thailand has a long history of fishing in the waters of other nations.

 

Already sorted:

 

Two of 15 Thai fishing vessels were fired at after they operated 4-5.7 nautical miles (7.4-10.6 km) inside Myanmar's territorial waters, spokesperson Thanatip Sawangsang said in a statement.

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/myanmar-navy-fires-thai-fishing-boats-detains-31-fishermen-thailand-says-2024-11-30/

[Patong2021]

9 hours ago, NoDisplayName said:

 

Already sorted:

 

Two of 15 Thai fishing vessels were fired at after they operated 4-5.7 nautical miles (7.4-10.6 km) inside Myanmar's territorial waters, spokesperson Thanatip Sawangsang said in a statement.

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/myanmar-navy-fires-thai-fishing-boats-detains-31-fishermen-thailand-says-2024-11-30/

 

Credit goes to Thai  representative for  honesty and transparency. The nationalists won't like it, but the use of live fire as warnings for non compliant fishing vessels is a common occurrence. 

[watchcat]

On 12/1/2024 at 11:46 PM, Tarteso said:

"Of course you know, this means war" !

 

Yes it should.