Warning Signs: The Looming Collapse of a Critical Ocean System

[BritManToo]

7 minutes ago, newbee2022 said:

So, doctor's business has nothing to do with science? Well, similar job like a plumber? 

Tell this #sheryll...😂😂😂 and make yourself a laughingstock.

(I studied 6 years plus 4 for specialisation. What do you think I learned there? No science?)🥴😳🥺

 

Sheryl is a nurse.

As for your studies, yeah, I also wasted a lot of my time at university but i did learn as a scientist to always give the answers your employers wanted..

[newbee2022]

1 hour ago, BritManToo said:

Sheryl is a nurse.

As for your studies, yeah, I also wasted a lot of my time at university but i did learn as a scientist to always give the answers your employers wanted..

I would like you to consider that your doctor is prescribing your pills according his science level or science. And since YOU are not a doctor you don't have the knowledge to decide if your pills are the right ones. And your doctor will explain why the pills are the right ones which will cure your problem. So, if you believe him you will trust him.

 

[GammaGlobulin]

7 minutes ago, newbee2022 said:

I would like you to consider that your doctor is prescribing your pills according his science level or science.

 

Actually, I think this is NOT the case.

 

We all know how many doctors make their choices of what to prescribe, and it is not based on science.

 

Also, medical doctors are NOT scientists, and do not pretend to be.

 

Medical doctors can also be scientists if they have had the extra education required.

Or, they can, maybe, be self-taught scientists.

I am speaking of the Natural Sciences...because....Social Sciences is  NOT science.

 

 

[newbee2022]

5 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

 

Actually, I think this is NOT the case.

 

We all know how many doctors make their choices of what to prescribe, and it is not based on science.

 

Also, medical doctors are NOT scientists, and do not pretend to be.

 

Medical doctors can also be scientists if they have had the extra education required.

Or, they can, maybe, be self-taught scientists.

I am speaking of the Natural Sciences...because....Social Sciences is  NOT science.

 

 

Oh dear, that's too much. Really. Physiology, Anatomie, Biochemistry, Surgery, Dermatology, Virology, Neurology, Pathology, Psychiatry, ....aso, all no science? I hope you'll never need a doctor?!🧑‍🎄

[Lacessit]

3 hours ago, BritManToo said:

Doctor worship ....... I don't really see doctors as scientists, and I certainly don't believe them, although I may seek their advice from time to time.

Doctors are scientists, and the selection process in terms of becoming a doctor is far more brutal and Darwinian than anyone getting a degree in physics, chemistry or biology.

 

You think a surgeon waltzes into an operating room brandishing a newly minted degree? It takes years of understudying with more experienced surgeons before they can pick up a scalpel.

 

The expertise required to read an X'ray , CAT scan, ultrasound or ECG does not come out of a cereal box.

[Lacessit]

6 hours ago, impulse said:

 

They estimate historical temperatures by looking at tree rings, pollen, ice cores and other well accepted methods.  So there is an answer.  Maybe not one that fits the narrative.  But there is an answer.

 

 

Obviously, quoting my post in full did not fit your narrative either.

[Lacessit]

31 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

 

Actually, I think this is NOT the case.

 

We all know how many doctors make their choices of what to prescribe, and it is not based on science.

 

Also, medical doctors are NOT scientists, and do not pretend to be.

 

Medical doctors can also be scientists if they have had the extra education required.

Or, they can, maybe, be self-taught scientists.

I am speaking of the Natural Sciences...because....Social Sciences is  NOT science.

 

 

You have it @rse about.

 

One of my  chemistry instructors was a M.Sc in organic chemistry.

 

Many years later, I saw him again. He had added M.D. to his name, and specialized in dermatology.

 

He used to joke he chose dermatology because his patients never died, and they never got better.

 

 

[Lacessit]

6 hours ago, BritManToo said:

CO2 in the Cambrian period was 4000ppm, that was the time when most diversity of life first appeared (Cambrian explosion) on earth. The average temp at that time was 22c (vs 14c now).

 

So it looks like higher Co2 and higher temperature was better for life back then. 

While the Cambrian period was great for plant life, we are not plants, and we don't have exoskeletons. False equivalence.

 

You post omitted to mention the Cambrian era ended with a mass extinction.

[Lacessit]

5 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Who is denying climate change? Not I. I guess if you lot are running around screaming climate change denier it saves you from having to come up with something sensible to say.

 

I, as always, refer to the faux MMCC BS, beloved of government and the twitterati.

 

Sea level is rising.

 

You lot really love that particular bit of BS, don't you? Unless the sea is rising more at the Maldives than on the shores of NZ, then it's fake news. Sea level is rising by millimeters a year, not centimeters.

 

There are other reasons for islands flooding more, such as they are sinking. You did learn about tectonic plates at school didn't you? You know, those geological features of which land is formed and rises and falls depending on which plate is over the other.

Perhaps the Maldives are sinking simply because of the weight of BS being applied there.

 

BTW, if the islands are sinking, and it's not just a clever strategy to get developed countries to throw a few billion at them, there is not a single thing that can be done to stop it. Man vs nature, man loses every time.

 

Not just the islands......

 

 

[Lacessit]

2 hours ago, BritManToo said:

Sheryl is a nurse.

As for your studies, yeah, I also wasted a lot of my time at university but i did learn as a scientist to always give the answers your employers wanted..

If that's what you learned, you did not become a scientist. You became a PR guy.

[BritManToo]

27 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

If that's what you learned, you did not become a scientist. You became a PR guy.

I studied to be a scientist, then I realised scientists didn't get paid the sort of money I wanted to earn. When I asked the media (purely by accident) about a job they immediately offered to double my scientists wage, they didn't even have to think about it..

[BritManToo]

43 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

While the Cambrian period was great for plant life, we are not plants, and we don't have exoskeletons. False equivalence.

 

You post omitted to mention the Cambrian era ended with a mass extinction.

Yeah, but nobody says why ....... Low atmospheric Oxygen plus a sudden rise in sulphides makes me think sudden volcanic activity that might have been caused by large asteroid impact. Not burning coal and oil for heavy industries.

[BritManToo]

1 hour ago, Lacessit said:

Doctors are scientists, and the selection process in terms of becoming a doctor is far more brutal and Darwinian than anyone getting a degree in physics, chemistry or biology.

 

You think a surgeon waltzes into an operating room brandishing a newly minted degree? It takes years of understudying with more experienced surgeons before they can pick up a scalpel.

 

The expertise required to read an X'ray , CAT scan, ultrasound or ECG does not come out of a cereal box.

My GP sits in a chair all day talking, no science there.

As for all the hospital equipment you mentioned, all operated by technicians, no doctors or scientists there.

[Lacessit]

1 hour ago, BritManToo said:

I studied to be a scientist, then I realised scientists didn't get paid the sort of money I wanted to earn. When I asked the media (purely by accident) about a job they immediately offered to double my scientists wage, they didn't even have to think about it..

Quite true, scientists are usually not well paid. One has to enjoy the work one does. I did it well enough to get paid above the odds, after saving the company I worked for a lot of money.

 

I made myself quite unpopular with several engineers and one purchasing manager, when my findings conflicted with what they had down as holy writ.

[Lacessit]

1 hour ago, BritManToo said:

My GP sits in a chair all day talking, no science there.

As for all the hospital equipment you mentioned, all operated by technicians, no doctors or scientists there.

My oncologist sits in a chair all day talking too. I would probably be dead without the medical science she used.

[rickudon]

The tiny increments of temperature caused by CO2 are not what does the damage, but what they have an effect on. Think tipping points. 

Warming causes more ice in Greenland to melt, this weakens AMOC. Nobody knows exactly when it will fail, but estimates are as soon as 15 years, but maybe 300.One positive is that if AMOC fails, Greenland will get colder, and the rate at which ice melts declines.

BUY what about other effects? European Agriculture declines. Maybe it will effect the West African monsoon, which could either make West Africa, wetter, or dryer. It might also accelerate the collapse of the Amazon rain forest, which could happen in 50 years. If it changes to Savanah, hard to change back. There are at least 14 tipping points which have been identified as possible due to the current warming, some have only a regional impact, others Global. The worst impacts could trigger mass extinctions (especially if masses of methane are released from frozen tundra and methane clathrates).

 

Oh, and one little point about water vapour for ThaiBeachlover - it might be a significant greenhouse gas, but its presence is purely a temperature response - warmer air can hold more water vapour. So nothing you can do about it directly.

[GammaGlobulin]

3 hours ago, newbee2022 said:

Oh dear, that's too much. Really. Physiology, Anatomie, Biochemistry, Surgery, Dermatology, Virology, Neurology, Pathology, Psychiatry, ....aso, all no science? I hope you'll never need a doctor?!🧑‍🎄

 

Me, too.

 

[Lacessit]

18 minutes ago, rickudon said:

The tiny increments of temperature caused by CO2 are not what does the damage, but what they have an effect on. Think tipping points. 

Warming causes more ice in Greenland to melt, this weakens AMOC. Nobody knows exactly when it will fail, but estimates are as soon as 15 years, but maybe 300.One positive is that if AMOC fails, Greenland will get colder, and the rate at which ice melts declines.

BUY what about other effects? European Agriculture declines. Maybe it will effect the West African monsoon, which could either make West Africa, wetter, or dryer. It might also accelerate the collapse of the Amazon rain forest, which could happen in 50 years. If it changes to Savanah, hard to change back. There are at least 14 tipping points which have been identified as possible due to the current warming, some have only a regional impact, others Global. The worst impacts could trigger mass extinctions (especially if masses of methane are released from frozen tundra and methane clathrates).

 

Oh, and one little point about water vapour for ThaiBeachlover - it might be a significant greenhouse gas, but its presence is purely a temperature response - warmer air can hold more water vapour. So nothing you can do about it directly.

A countervailing effect in Greenland and Antarctica is albedo.

 

Being white, ice reflects solar radiation. Black rock exposed by ice melting absorbs it.

 

Between 2002 and 2023, the Greenland ice cap lost 270 billion metric tons of ice every year.

 

Greenland is currently 20% exposed bedrock. It's another tipping point.

 

 

[Lacessit]

7 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

 

Me, too.

 

We all hope that, but don't get much choice in the matter.

 

Except for psychiatrists, where attendance is optional.

[GammaGlobulin]

1 hour ago, Lacessit said:

We all hope that, but don't get much choice in the matter.

 

Except for psychiatrists, where attendance is optional.

 

I thought he said, upon my first reading, that I would never BE a doctor.

 

I don't want to be a medical doctor.

Too much anatomy for me.

 

 

[HighPriority]

11 hours ago, ElwoodP said:

Post advocating violence removed.

Surely you’re kidding ?

🤦🏼‍♂️

[Lacessit]

12 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

 

I thought he said, upon my first reading, that I would never BE a doctor.

 

I don't want to be a medical doctor.

Too much anatomy for me.

 

 

I love anatomy, especially that of women.

[gamb00ler]

On 12/4/2024 at 12:46 PM, Yagoda said:

Well since your so smart, answer the question. Here Ill make it easier, what was the average world wide temperature between dec 1, 1522 and dec 1, 1532?

 

Surely if the world is warming to the point of crisis (as it was cooling to the point of crisis 40 years ago) that question should be answerable.

 

 

Always looking for a one dimensional explanation when there are literally hundreds of variables invovled.  As far as science is concerned you're still in the squirming on the blanket phase that comes before crawling.

[gamb00ler]

11 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

So you still don't know the answer.

and your silence when asked for evidence in another thread is still profound.

[GammaGlobulin]

24 minutes ago, gamb00ler said:

and your silence when asked for evidence in another thread is still profound.

 

Either profound or....maybe...

Golden.

 

[Yagoda]

8 hours ago, gamb00ler said:

Always looking for a one dimensional explanation when there are literally hundreds of variables invovled.  As far as science is concerned you're still in the squirming on the blanket phase that comes before crawling.

Well dude it's simple basic logic of the world and science. If you want to compare things, you need things to compare. If one of the things is not known or made up, then you don't have a comparison, you have speculation.

 

Tell us what a model is,  Einstein. And to make your gratuitous insult more topical, if I am in the crawling out of the blanket phase in science, you are crawling out of the Primeval Seas during the Precambrian explosion.

[Yagoda]

9 hours ago, Lacessit said:

I love anatomy, especially that of women.

Based on your repeated posts demonstrating your political leanings, I question whether you know what a woman is

[thaibeachlovers]

20 hours ago, newbee2022 said:

I know now you're not into science at all. 

And you are not believing scientists? What about your doctor? Sure, you don't believe him too? 

Sorry, but I can't chatt with those who are dead from the neck up. Of course I will not include you. Have a good public holiday.

Baaaah.

[thaibeachlovers]

9 hours ago, gamb00ler said:

and your silence when asked for evidence in another thread is still profound.

No idea what you are on about. If it was asked by a poster I have on ignore of course I will be silent on it as I never saw it.

Nice try, no cigar.

 

Perhaps you can repeat the question and I'll answer it.

[thaibeachlovers]

10 hours ago, gamb00ler said:

As far as science is concerned you're still in the squirming on the blanket phase that comes before crawling.

That would be a good characterisation of science as it is today. Hardly knows anything. Can't even prevent cancer.