Amnesty International "It's a Genocide in Gaza"

[Nick Carter icp]

58 minutes ago, bannork said:

To quote the journalists again:

“The risks of conflict reporting are well understood by our organisations who have decades of experience of reporting in warzones around the world and in previous wars in Gaza".

But Israel and Brian know best.

Let them in if there's nothing to hide.

 

 

   Do you want lots of journalists to go into Gaza, knowing and hoping they will be killed , just so you can use that as evidence that there's genocide going on ? 

 * 50 more innocent journalists killed by the IDF , stop the war *

[bannork]

1 minute ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Do you want lots of journalists to go into Gaza, knowing and hoping they will be killed , just so you can use that as evidence that there's genocide going on ? 

 * 50 more innocent journalists killed by the IDF , stop the war *

They want to go, they're grown ups used to war zones.

Extraordinary how coy Israel is, me thinks they doth protest too much.

Meanwhile Israeli 'precision bombing of terrorists' kill 7 children from one family 

https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/gaza-rescuers-say-7-children-from-one-family-killed-in-israeli-strike-7297616/amp/1

[Nick Carter icp]

3 minutes ago, bannork said:

They want to go, they're grown ups used to war zones.

Extraordinary how coy Israel is, me thinks they doth protest too much.

Meanwhile Israeli 'precision bombing of terrorists' kill 7 children from one family 

https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/gaza-rescuers-say-7-children-from-one-family-killed-in-israeli-strike-7297616/amp/1

 

3 minutes ago, bannork said:

They want to go, they're grown ups used to war zones.

Extraordinary how coy Israel is, me thinks they doth protest too much.

Meanwhile Israeli 'precision bombing of terrorists' kill 7 children from one family 

https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/gaza-rescuers-say-7-children-from-one-family-killed-in-israeli-strike-7297616/amp/1

 

   So that news was reported ?

Why would you need 50 more journalists in Gaza ?

The news is already being reported .

There's enough journalists in Gaza already 

[Bkk Brian]

10 minutes ago, bannork said:

They want to go, they're grown ups used to war zones.

Extraordinary how coy Israel is, me thinks they doth protest too much.

Meanwhile Israeli 'precision bombing of terrorists' kill 7 children from one family 

https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/gaza-rescuers-say-7-children-from-one-family-killed-in-israeli-strike-7297616/amp/1

Are you also protesting to Ukraine who is stopping journalists visiting the front line war zones alone? Or is it just Israel?

[Nick Carter icp]

17 hours ago, bannork said:

r but if Israel is so precise in it's attacks, as it claims ( only kill Hamas terrorists),

 

 

 

   Did you make a false claim ?

Can you back your claim up ?

When did Israel say the above ?

[Nick Carter icp]

53 minutes ago, bannork said:

They want to go, they're grown ups used to war zones.

Extraordinary how coy Israel is, me thinks they doth protest too much.

Meanwhile Israeli 'precision bombing of terrorists' kill 7 children from one family 

https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/gaza-rescuers-say-7-children-from-one-family-killed-in-israeli-strike-7297616/amp/1

 

   Well of course Journalists would say that they want to go there , its their job .

If you ask a journalist about covering story  in a foreign Country, asking him when he knows he cannot go there , of course he's going to say that he wants to go .

   Hes hardly going to say "Yes, I agree, Journalists should not be allowed to enter dangerous places".

   Of course hes going to say that he wants to go .

Its his job to go and report on issues

[Patong2021]

On 12/6/2024 at 1:58 AM, SomNaNa555 said:

Attacking the messenger Bkk Brian. The oldest most prestigious newspaper in Israeli which was recently cut off from government sources in retaliation for reporting facts rather than only IOF propaganda. The publisher even had the guts to correctly label the Palestinian resistance as "freedom fighters"

It is not the most prestigious. It has a political agenda just as the  right wing  newspapers in Israel do.

[bannork]

On 12/21/2024 at 3:42 PM, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Well of course Journalists would say that they want to go there , its their job .

If you ask a journalist about covering story  in a foreign Country, asking him when he knows he cannot go there , of course he's going to say that he wants to go .

   Hes hardly going to say "Yes, I agree, Journalists should not be allowed to enter dangerous places".

   Of course hes going to say that he wants to go .

Its his job to go and report on issues

Love your torturous attempts to get inside journalists' heads to justify Israel's censorship.

Look, they themselves wrote to Israel asking for access. 

Israel denied. 

Of course if Israel had nothing to hide, Israel could consent.

 

[Nick Carter icp]

Just now, bannork said:

Love your torturous attempts to get inside journalists' heads to justify Israel's censorship.

Look, they themselves wrote to Israel asking for access. 

Israel denied. 

Of course if Israel had nothing to hide, Israel could consent.

 

 

   As I stated a few times previously , journalists would put themselves, the IDF and the hostages in danger and it would also interfere the IDFs work .

  There have been numerous constant media reports of genocide and mass starvation in Gaza  .

  What do you think that Israel could be wanting to hide ?

[Bkk Brian]

49 minutes ago, bannork said:

Love your torturous attempts to get inside journalists' heads to justify Israel's censorship.

Look, they themselves wrote to Israel asking for access. 

Israel denied. 

Of course if Israel had nothing to hide, Israel could consent.

 

Look, they themselves wrote to Israel asking for access.

 

So? 

 

Anyway again I would like them to come, first job would be to explore all remaining tunnels to get exclusive interviews with the hostages and bring them some food and water. Perhaps ask the Hamas terrorists to stop raping and sexually assaulting them too. I know it would be too much to ask to release the hostages but one could try. After all this would all be over if that happened. 

 

They would of course also need to sign a contract that if they got taken hostage themselves that's their own fault, and if they get killed because they in an active zone where Hamas are (everywhere) there are no repercussions because they were warned to stay away.

 

By the way, any more news on the genocide that Amnesty & HRW was making up?

 

 

[Evil Penevil]

To try to bring this thread back on topic, I'm posting  figures on the number of deaths since 2008 due to the conflict in what's called "the occupied Palestinian territory."  The figures come from the United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs (OCHA). not exactly a source friendly towards Israel.  The figures don't include deaths in the Gaza Strip from the current conflict that began on Oct. 7, 2023, because OCHA says such figures haven't yet been verified.   https://www.ochaopt.org/data/casualties

 

   

 

Prior to the Oct. 7 attacks, the "occupied Palestine territory" had a total population of roughly 5.3 million, with 2.1 million on the Gaza Strip.  The 7,093 fatalities from 2008 through 2024 cover both Palestinian combatants and non-combatants who died in the conflict.  That's only 0.18% of the population, with males over 18 suffering 68% of the deaths.  OCHA considers anyone under 18 to be a "boy" or "girl."  Women and girls made up about 13% of those killed.  

 

That doesn't look like much of a genocide, even when you add in the 45,000 killed since Oct. 7, 2023.  The expanded number would be 0.98%, or just under 1%.  In the Holocaust, two-thirds of Europe's Jews (6 million out of  9 mllion) were murdered.  In Cambodia under Pol Pot, at least 25% and may 33% of the country's population died.  About half the Tutsi population of Rwanda died in the Rwandan Genocide.   From Sudan to the Democratic Republic of Congo, many, many millions of Africans have died in various conflicts over the past 30 to 50 years.  Often the goal of the African conflicts has been truly genocidal, the elimination of a rival tribe or ethnic group.

 

Those are real genocides in terms of numbers killed and the intent to wipe out certain groups of people.  What has happened in Gaza comes nowhere near a true genocide.  A lot of Palestinian lives have been lost, but that is collateral damage from warfare in a high-density urban environment coupled with Hamas' use of civilians as human shields.

 

Also according to the OCHA figures,  Palestinian fatalities surged in the years the conflict with the IDF flared.  Otherwise, the annual death count was far lower.  In most years, the number of homicides in large U.S. cities were higher than deaths due to conflict in Gaza and the West Bank.  For example, 108 Palestinians were killed in the conflict in 2016, while 778 people were victims of homicide in Chicago that year.  Chicago has a population of 2.75 million. No one talks about genocide in Chicago or any other U.S. city.  https://www.chicagotribune.com/2024/12/16/chicago-homicides-in-2024-5-people-slain-heres-how-that-compares-with-previous-years/

 

 

One final point: The population of the Gaza Strip will grow  about 1.0% in 2024, according to the Palestinian Central Statistics Bureau. "Based on the data, the estimated growth rate in Gaza Strip for 2023 will decrease from about 2.7%, according to PCBS estimates for 2023, to only about 1% during 2024,"  the PCBS stated.  Prior to 2023, Palestinian women had a significantly  higher feretility rate than their Israeli counterparts.   https://www.pcbs.gov.ps/portals/_pcbs/PressRelease/Press_En_WPD2024E.pdf 

It's difficult to claim genocide is taking place when the population is still growing,  even if the growth rate has slowed significantly. In all previous genocides, the birth rate of the victimized population fell sharply.

 

The notion that Palestinians have been subjected to genocide for many years is nonsense with no support in reality. 

 

 

[Social Media]

A reminder of the topic is needed:

 

Amnesty International "It's a Genocide in Gaza"

 

This is not a general update on incidents of the war in Gaza, there is a topic already for that here:

 

Israel Hamas War the Widening Middle East Conflict

 

 

 

 

 

[thaibeachlovers]

On 12/6/2024 at 3:03 PM, baansgr said:

Where should the Jewish population go?. after all Hamas want them wiped off the face of the Earth...now that would be genocide, and one that the Jewish population suffered over 80 years ago

Silly question. America loves israelis, so they could all go there.

 

Different story for the Palestinians. No welcome for them in America.

 

Given the history of Jews it seems strange that they are doing what they are doing in Gaza and the West Bank.

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Silly question. America loves israelis, so they could all go there.

 

Different story for the Palestinians. No welcome for them in America.

 

Given the history of Jews it seems strange that they are doing what they are doing in Gaza and the West Bank.

Silly antisemetic response

[thaibeachlovers]

On 12/21/2024 at 9:42 PM, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Well of course Journalists would say that they want to go there , its their job .

If you ask a journalist about covering story  in a foreign Country, asking him when he knows he cannot go there , of course he's going to say that he wants to go .

   Hes hardly going to say "Yes, I agree, Journalists should not be allowed to enter dangerous places".

   Of course hes going to say that he wants to go .

Its his job to go and report on issues

Hes hardly going to say "Yes, I agree, Journalists should not be allowed to enter dangerous places".

 

Strange thing to say. Journalists have been going to dangerous places as long as I can remember, as evidenced by the numbers killed doing their job

 

However, being a journalist in Gaza seems excessively dangerous, it's almost as it they are targeted, but surely the most moral army in the world would never do that?

 

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/12/16/media-freedom-watchdog-decries-israels-killing-of-journalists-in-gaza

CPJ says the Israeli military ‘continues to act with total impunity when it comes to the killing of journalists’.

[Nick Carter icp]

52 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Hes hardly going to say "Yes, I agree, Journalists should not be allowed to enter dangerous places".

 

Strange thing to say. Journalists have been going to dangerous places as long as I can remember, as evidenced by the numbers killed doing their job

 

However, being a journalist in Gaza seems excessively dangerous, it's almost as it they are targeted, but surely the most moral army in the world would never do that?

 

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/12/16/media-freedom-watchdog-decries-israels-killing-of-journalists-in-gaza

CPJ says the Israeli military ‘continues to act with total impunity when it comes to the killing of journalists’.

 

   How can they be being targeted , if they aren't allowed into Gaza ?

Why would you want journalists to be allowed into Gaza if they are being targeted ?

  Do you want even more journalists to be killed ?

[baansgr]

5 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Silly question. America loves israelis, so they could all go there.

 

Different story for the Palestinians. No welcome for them in America.

 

Given the history of Jews it seems strange that they are doing what they are doing in Gaza and the West Bank.

Not even the arabs want to take the palestinians, say about it all really