Was Ex police officer Derek Chauvin wrongly convicted !

[AlwaysThere]

12 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

Guess you didn't see the body cam footage from when Flloyd was in the cop car

 

What does that have to do with kneeling on someone's neck, who wasn't resisting, for an extended amount of time? Do we kill petty criminals now?

 

[Hanaguma]

9 minutes ago, sqwakvfr said:

You may be right. I have seen experienced officers "zone" or check out on several high stress calls. 

I saw similar in the military. It is kind of an "adrenaline dump", where in the aftermath of a hugely stressful event people almost go catatonic.  Takes time for the system to "reset" into normal mode and allow for a return to normalcy.

[sqwakvfr]

1 minute ago, Will B Good said:

 

ONLY......wow...hat off to you.

To some my thoughts on this issue are not relevant. Others automatically assuemd I am going to defend or support Chauvin.  I have encountered some like Chauvin. Any police department in a medium or large sized city have guys like Chauvin.  In police work seniority carries a lot of weight. But in the end if a fellow officer is wrong and not safe one has to act or at the least say something out loud. 

[frank83628]

2 minutes ago, AlwaysThere said:

 

What does that have to do with kneeling on someone's neck, who wasn't resisting, for an extended amount of time? Do we kill petty criminals now?

 

Because it shows Flloyd claiming he couldn't breathe for over 8 minutes before he was put on the floor, so that would indicate he had a breathing issue before being restrained by Chauvin. Which backs up the possibility he had swallowed something .

Is there any eveidence to shown how much pressure Chauvin applied?

[Will B Good]

3 minutes ago, sqwakvfr said:

To some my thoughts on this issue are not relevant. Others automatically assuemd I am going to defend or support Chauvin.  I have encountered some like Chauvin. Any police department in a medium or large sized city have guys like Chauvin.  In police work seniority carries a lot of weight. But in the end if a fellow officer is wrong and not safe one has to act or at the least say something out loud. 

 

Well said....and thank you for your service.

[Chwooly]

9 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

There are no striking parallels with the Penney case. 

Chauvin ;

- Intentionally brutalized Floyd and violated the police department's use of force rules.

- Floyd was already immobilized (handcuffed and lying face down)  and detained when  Chauvin assaulted him. Chauvin knelt on Floyd's neck for 9 and 1/2  minutes, while 2 other police officers  knelt on Floyd's back.  3 officers were on a handcuffed and motionless man.

- For his final 2 minutes,  Floyd was already knocked out and in heart failure with no pulse, and yet, Chauvin kept his knee on Floyd's neck.

 

Penny subdued the deceased Neely on his own. Yes, he used a death hold that as a USMC can be argued was known to be deadly, but  the argument was offered that because he was in fear of his life and the circumstances, there was no intent to do permanent harm. 

 

There is a lot of truth here.

 

But Floyd's Drug use and Heart disease played a factor in his death as well. Chauvin is a least guilty of being overzealous in his treatment. I do think his sentence is way over the top, at best he should have to serve 5-7 years, 23 years is IMO cruel and unusual punishment, If this was just a random guy on the street is would have been a lot less. The sentence was an attempt to be PC and cater to BLM and a specific race.  it was not justice. 

[frank83628]

18 minutes ago, Will B Good said:

 

 

Agree 100%.....just about to write something similar.

Where do you draw the line at, is tryng to pass counterfeit money 'trivial'?

[AlwaysThere]

1 minute ago, frank83628 said:

Because it shows Flloyd claiming he couldn't breathe for over 8 minutes before he was put on the floor, so that would indicate he had a breathing issue before being restrained by Chauvin. Which backs up the possibility he had swallowed something .

Is there any eveidence to shown how much pressure Chauvin applied?

 

Why was he being restrained for nine minutes by having his neck knelt on, if he told the officer that he couldn't breathe? Seventeen minutes of being unable to breathe....

Petty criminals don't matter?

 

[Will B Good]

3 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

Because it shows Flloyd claiming he couldn't breathe for over 8 minutes before he was put on the floor, so that would indicate he had a breathing issue before being restrained by Chauvin. Which backs up the possibility he had swallowed something .

Is there any eveidence to shown how much pressure Chauvin applied?

 

 

"Because it shows Flloyd claiming he couldn't breathe for over 8 minutes before he was put on the floor, that would indicate he had a breathing issue before being restrained by Chauvin".

 

Could that not suggest kneeling on his neck was not the best course of action?

[frank83628]

16 minutes ago, Will B Good said:

 

Federal Rule of Evidence 404(b) generally prohibits introducing evidence of prior crimes to show that a person has a “bad character” or is likely to commit the crime they are accused of. However, prior offences may be introduced for other purposes, such as proving intent, motive, knowledge, or opportunity.

And body cam footage?

[Will B Good]

2 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

Where do you draw the line at, is tryng to pass counterfeit money 'trivial'?

 

I certainly wouldn't want to be asphyxiated if I were caught with a nine bob note.

[AlwaysThere]

2 minutes ago, Chwooly said:

There is a lot of truth here.

 

But Floyd's Drug use and Heart disease played a factor in his death as well. Chauvin is a least guilty of being overzealous in his treatment. I do think his sentence is way over the top, at best he should have to serve 5-7 years, 23 years is IMO cruel and unusual punishment, If this was just a random guy on the street is would have been a lot less. The sentence was an attempt to be PC and cater to BLM and a specific race.  it was not justice. 

 

Overzealous or cruel and 'unusual' behaviour? This time he got caught. Likely wasn't his first time.

[AlwaysThere]

4 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

Where do you draw the line at, is tryng to pass counterfeit money 'trivial'?

 

Yes.

[frank83628]

Just now, Will B Good said:

 

 

"Because it shows Flloyd claiming he couldn't breathe for over 8 minutes before he was put on the floor, that would indicate he had a breathing issue before being restrained by Chauvin".

 

Could that not suggest kneeling on his neck was not the best course of action?

Do you know how much pressure was applied? On the video He was saying 'I can't breath' quite clearly, his voice didn't sound effected or restricted as you would imagine it to be if someone was kneeling on you

[Will B Good]

1 minute ago, frank83628 said:

And body cam footage?

That was fully admissible.....Riclag (intentionally?) produced that headline giving the idea the footage was inadmissible.....but that was from a previous arrest and comes under the same federal law.

[Will B Good]

2 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

Do you know how much pressure was applied? On the video He was saying 'I can't breath' quite clearly, his voice didn't sound effected or restricted as you would imagine it to be if someone was kneeling on you

No.

[AlwaysThere]

2 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

Do you know how much pressure was applied? On the video He was saying 'I can't breath' quite clearly, his voice didn't sound effected or restricted as you would imagine it to be if someone was kneeling on you

 

Why was he kneeling on him?

[frank83628]

1 minute ago, AlwaysThere said:

 

Yes.

Well, I'm sure the police go by the written law as opposed to some dude on ASEAN now opinion

 

[Chwooly]

2 minutes ago, AlwaysThere said:

 

Overzealous or cruel and 'unusual' behaviour? This time he got caught. Likely wasn't his first time.

Not sure what you mean here? If a criminal's past offenses are not allowed why should Chauvin's? Again am not excusing Chauvins actions, I am saying the sentence is over the top. 

[FritsSikkink]

10 hours ago, riclag said:

I just saw a comment on X  that referenced Derek Chauvin  & George Floyd !

Many seem to think he was innocent!

 

Many racists about.

[frank83628]

1 minute ago, AlwaysThere said:

 

Why was he kneeling on him?

He was restraining him, from what I gathered at the time, it is an allowed method. 

[Will B Good]

11 hours ago, riclag said:

I just saw a comment on X  that referenced Derek Chauvin  & George Floyd !

Many seem to think he was innocent!

 

OMG....so you thought this through and still decided to post that statement.....555?

[AlwaysThere]

1 minute ago, frank83628 said:

Well, I'm sure the police go by the written law as opposed to some dude on ASEAN now opinion

 

 

So someone like Trump who has pulled off far bigger scams in the hundreds of millions, is innocent as compared to someone passing off an allegedly counterfeit US$20 note?

[Will B Good]

1 minute ago, frank83628 said:

He was restraining him, from what I gathered at the time, it is an allowed method. 

 

 

"From what I gathered".....I thought every frame of every video was imprinted on your memory.....or was just the audio?

[NoDisplayName]

8 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

Do you know how much pressure was applied? On the video He was saying 'I can't breath' quite clearly, his voice didn't sound effected or restricted as you would imagine it to be if someone was kneeling on you

 

Irrelevant.

 

The man is on the ground and handcuffed.

 

His heart stops beating.

 

Subordinate officers inform Chauvin, and want to render aid.

 

Chauvin prevents this.

 

That is his crime.

[josephbloggs]

42 minutes ago, AlwaysThere said:

 

Trump is also a serial conman. Should we kneel on his neck? So much disgusting nonsense posted on this forum.

 

Thank you. I was in despair, but nice to see there is at least one other non racist poster here. So much disgusting nonsense in here, I almost pity them. 

[AlwaysThere]

2 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

He was restraining him, from what I gathered at the time, it is an allowed method. 

 

Wrong. He didn't follow his own basic training.

 

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The department policy, in place for at least eight years at the time, divided permissible neck restraints into two categories, according to court filings and testimony Monday by the city police chief, Medaria Arradondo. Neck restraints were defined in the policy as a “non-deadly force option.”

One, called a “conscious neck restraint,” was for light pressure applied to the neck to help control a person without rendering unconsciousness. It was permitted for a person actively resisting.

The other was an “unconscious neck restraint,” in which officers could use their arms or legs to knock out a person by pressing carotid arteries on either side of the neck, blocking blood flow to the brain. The policy called for it to be used only for a person “exhibiting active aggression” or actively resisting when lesser attempts to control the person had failed or were likely to fail.

Police guidelines also instructed officers, at the first possible opportunity, to turn people on their sides once they were handcuffed and under control to avoid “positional asphyxia,” in which breathing becomes labored in a prone position and can lead to death. The city had pledged to emphasize to officers the dangers of positional asphyxia as part of a $3 million settlement in the 2010 death of David Smith. Minneapolis officers subdued Smith with a Taser and pinned him face down on the floor for several minutes with their knees on his back.

 

[josephbloggs]

13 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

Do you know how much pressure was applied? On the video He was saying 'I can't breath' quite clearly, his voice didn't sound effected or restricted as you would imagine it to be if someone was kneeling on you

 

He died.

[FritsSikkink]

16 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

Do you know how much pressure was applied? On the video He was saying 'I can't breath' quite clearly, his voice didn't sound effected or restricted as you would imagine it to be if someone was kneeling on you

What a load of BS, he was killed.

[riclag]

11 minutes ago, FritsSikkink said:

Many racists about.

No ,racists is a extreme leftist narrative!

Floyd was a experienced Drug addict , criminal who worked the system to his advantage.

Watch the other side of the story that MSM refuses to acknowledge!

 

 

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