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Transparency - the day that AI changed American politics forever.

theblether

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Dan O Platinum Member

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On 12/19/2024 at 10:58 AM, Airalee said:

No more of this….

 

 

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Its unfortunate that you post a sound bite from a long interview and its taken out of the complete context of the interview and discussion. Typical GOP tactic to twist info for a hidden agenda. Post the whole interview if you wont to be taken seriously, 

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Airalee Gold Member

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1 hour ago, Dan O said:

Its unfortunate that you post a sound bite from a long interview and its taken out of the complete context of the interview and discussion. Typical GOP tactic to twist info for a hidden agenda. Post the whole interview if you wont to be taken seriously, 

It’s unfortunate that you are so dishonest.  It was part of a big steaming pile of word salad.  How you can support bills being passed without it being a legal requirement for them to actually be read by the congress members is disgusting.  Shame on you.

 

 

 

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OneMoreFarang Star Member

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On 12/19/2024 at 10:55 AM, theblether said:

One of the provisions was a vast increase in pay for Congress as well as enhanced health benefits. X users cracked

It seems you believes what the X owner tweeted (or Xed or whatever).

Maybe check your facts before you believe that guy - or anybody else.

 

As far as I am concerned AI makes people only stupider. They "think" they can rely on AI - they can't.

There was also a time when people thought if it was printed it was true - a long time ago.

Dan O Platinum Member

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35 minutes ago, Airalee said:

It’s unfortunate that you are so dishonest.  It was part of a big steaming pile of word salad.  How you can support bills being passed without it being a legal requirement for them to actually be read by the congress members is disgusting.  Shame on you.

 

 

 

You go watch and listen to the whole interview , Not the You Tube edited version, and what was posted earlier was completely out of the context of the whole conversation that happened. 1 sentence extracted does not make it a fact. Twisting information is what makes many have no credibility in any way as they shortcut thinking for sound bites to appear like they are intelligent. 

 

I like how you want to blame me for the rules of congress not requiring bills to be read in their entirety. No where did I say that the bills shouldnt be read completely or that the bills were even good ones. But dont post crap and act like you know what your talking about. I guessing you dont even know that the bills are not even written by the actually elected officials in either house but their assistants, legal aides and office aides. 

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Lacessit Star Member

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On 12/19/2024 at 10:58 AM, theblether said:

And I note the Democrats new attack line, describing Musk as "President Musk." They are enraged that he has brought upon them the one thing they could not afford to lose - the end of their grip on the news narrative. 

 

$44 billion for Twitter was cheap. And Grok AI alone ( part of Twitter ) has already changed the political narrative. 

$400 million for the Presidency was even cheaper.

rwilem Advanced Member

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On 12/19/2024 at 10:58 AM, Airalee said:

No more of this….

 

 

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Excuse the duplicate posts, some issues with that.

Can add, from a GOP staffer, “It’s silly to pretend this is just a skinny CR,” one GOP staffer told said. “It’s a three-month spending bill with ornaments hanging all over it.”

Lacessit Star Member

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On 12/19/2024 at 1:52 PM, theblether said:

 

Do you subscribe to Politico? The difference here is that the more controversial aspects of the bill were exposed to a worldwide audience in minutes. 

Is it not strange when AI does this it is being applauded, when Assange did it the establishment screamed bloody murder?

theblether Star Member

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5 hours ago, Lacessit said:

Is it not strange when AI does this it is being applauded, when Assange did it the establishment screamed bloody murder?

 

Assange directly undermined national security. I didn't have a strong opinion on his fate as I could see why people supported him. 

 

Equally government officials should be free to have internal discussions without fear of exposure. A prime example was the Enigma decoder. 

 

Would Assange have told the Germans that the Allies had cracked the code? 

Lacessit Star Member

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26 minutes ago, theblether said:

 

Assange directly undermined national security. I didn't have a strong opinion on his fate as I could see why people supported him. 

 

Equally government officials should be free to have internal discussions without fear of exposure. A prime example was the Enigma decoder. 

 

Would Assange have told the Germans that the Allies had cracked the code? 

I have seen enough criminal activity in so-called respected companies I have worked for, to know people take shortcuts and break the law, either for money or advancement.

 

I don't know what it is like in other countries. Being a whistleblower in Australia is certain to bring down the wrath of the establishment, quite apart from being a career killer.

 

Assange is a villain because he makes government machinations visible. Zuckerberg is a business hero that sells the personal information Facebook harvests to the highest bidder, including hackers and foreign countries. Go figure.

 

 

bumpkin Senior Member

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I am not often a  conspiracy theorist, but how do we know that AI algorithms are not , and cannot be, influenced by the designers / controllers / owners.    

 

( I guess I will be excoricated most severely by the intelligentsia who make comment here )

 

Will B Good Star Member

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On 12/19/2024 at 10:58 AM, Airalee said:

No more of this….

 

 

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Pelosi was explaining that the public would not fully comprehend the bill’s provisions until it was enacted and implemented.     

 

The legislative process was transparent, with the bill being available for public review before the vote.

 

 

 

 

 

jerrymahoney Ruby Member

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ChatGPT has maybe come a long way since MAY 2023 but then there was this:


A lawyer used ChatGPT to prepare a court filing. It went horribly awry.

 

Updated on: May 29, 2023 / 5:40 PM EDT /


A lawyer who relied on ChatGPT to prepare a court filing on behalf of a man suing an airline is now all too familiar with the artificial intelligence tool's shortcomings — including its propensity to invent facts. 

 

Roberto Mata sued Colombian airline Avianca last year, alleging that a metal food and beverage cart injured his knee on a flight to Kennedy International Airport in New York. When Avianca asked a Manhattan judge to dismiss the lawsuit based on the statute of limitations, Mata's lawyer, Steven A. Schwartz, submitted a brief based on research done by ChatGPT, Schwartz, of the law firm Levidow, Levidow & Oberman, said in an affidavit. 

 

The fabrications were revealed when Avianca's lawyers approached the case's judge, Kevin Castel of the Southern District of New York, saying they couldn't locate the cases cited in Mata's lawyers' brief in legal databases.

 

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/lawyer-chatgpt-court-filing-avianca/

 

 

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RPCVguy Advanced Member

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I like the possibilities. I also did not see any link to where and how the use of AI in this instance was verified.
My friends know I have consistently been opposed to AI. This would be an exception where I think it might pay excellent rewards. Might, ... absolutely there are risks.
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"Government policy processes involve a deep understanding of the political, historical, and social contexts that today’s GenAI models might not fully reflect based on their available training data. Therefore, while GenAI might excel in analyzing and summarizing raw data, we still need human oversight to ensure that those outputs are interpreted correctly.
https://news.broadcom.com/artificial-intelligence/the-promise-and-pitfalls-of-generative-ai-for-legislative-analysis


 
theblether Star Member

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13 hours ago, bumpkin said:

I am not often a  conspiracy theorist, but how do we know that AI algorithms are not , and cannot be, influenced by the designers / controllers / owners.    

 

( I guess I will be excoricated most severely by the intelligentsia who make comment here )

 

 

They can be and it has already happened. This is one of the reasons why AI is ringing alarm bells. 

 

However Iin this case Grok AI functioned in a straightforward way by reading and bullet pointing the published report. 

 

Also, note the excessive reaction to Musk tweeting 40%. I didn't quote that figure as I knew it was wrong. How did I know? The AI bullet point had revealed the actual pay raise and Musk hadn't seen it. So his own AI proved him wrong. 

 

Also note how people are ranting about that single mistake by Musk when the real scandal in the bill was Congressional immunity from FBI investigation for criminal activity. 

 

Do any sane American want to grant immunity to their politicians? 

theblether Star Member

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Also note this excellent fact check by Reuters. Contrary to the idiotic brigade two things are clear. 

 

1. Musk said "if it includes a 40% pay raise. 

2. The bill did include reference to the 40% pay raise, pointing out the childish freeze on Congressional pay. Link: 

 

https://www.reuters.com/fact-check/bipartisan-stopgap-spending-bill-did-not-include-40-pay-raise-congress-2024-12-20/

 

mdr224 Gold Member

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Elon is way smarter than any democrat in washington. I for one am thankful if he is the one that makes decisions. Hating someone because theyre rich is what socialists do. How many rich people have used their money to benefit regular people like Elon

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