1 hour ago, frank83628 said:

To save embarrassment of being shot down by the houties

 

 

You really think the US would be more embarrassed about the Houthi's shooting it down than their own friendly fire....  

 

Oh yea I forgot, you labelled the US as terrorists so living in a dreamworld is a thing for you. Along with a couple of more crazies who gave your post a +1

 

12 hours ago, DaddyWarbucks said:

Since the Allied defeat of Nazi Germany and the absolute crushing of Imperial Japan in 1945, American Forces haven't won a decisive military victory of any consequence anywhere in the world.

Incidents such as this characterize their actions and lead to deadly quagmires that more often than not result in ignominious defeats in the end.

I'm guessing you missed the Vietnam War and Desert Storm. Maybe some thought we didn't win because we pulled out but the amount of casualties on the other side tells the story. Yes, the objective of the Vietnam War wasn't achieved, so that would be considered a loss to many.

false flag, something like this could be a fake excuse to invade iran...

 

as if houtis have f18...

 

the real people in power in the usa is a war based economy... plus in the US, people pay incredible prices for healthcare, education and crimes are everywhere

15 minutes ago, john donson said:

false flag, something like this could be a fake excuse to invade iran...

 

as if houtis have f18...

 

the real people in power in the usa is a war based economy... plus in the US, people pay incredible prices for healthcare, education and crimes are everywhere

Your post makes absolutely no sense. 

US Warplane Brought Down in Red Sea Amid “Friendly Fire” Incident.

 

Are those Jets not aquipped with Anti Missile Systems and more sophisticated systems.

Seems a bit odd that Flying around in a Hot Area that this happen.

 

On 12/23/2024 at 11:26 PM, 0ffshore360 said:

Again a typical Incident.

At least this time revealed with a rare degree of transparency.

Probably because it's not just the Americans involved. Hard to cover something up when other nationalities are involved.

Is this the first time that we've heard about the USA bombing Yemen ?

Where all all these journalists queuing up to get into Gaza ?

Why not go to Yemen and repot from there ?

"But we want to go to Gaza:" 

18 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

I'm guessing you missed the Vietnam War and Desert Storm. Maybe some thought we didn't win because we pulled out but the amount of casualties on the other side tells the story. Yes, the objective of the Vietnam War wasn't achieved, so that would be considered a loss to many.

Not sure what you are claiming, but neither Vietnam nor Desert Storm were wins. Success in war is not measured simply by the number of deaths, including civilians killed, but by what comes after. Germany and Japan became allies post war, North Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan etc did not.

11 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Not sure what you are claiming, but neither Vietnam nor Desert Storm were wins. Success in war is not measured simply by the number of deaths, including civilians killed, but by what comes after. Germany and Japan became allies post war, North Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan etc did not.

Spot on.

The post-war relations after the fighting stops are an excellent way to judge ultimate success or failure in a war.

On 12/25/2024 at 2:43 AM, thaibeachlovers said:

Not sure what you are claiming, but neither Vietnam nor Desert Storm were wins. Success in war is not measured simply by the number of deaths, including civilians killed, but by what comes after. Germany and Japan became allies post war, North Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan etc did not.

Some measure war by casualties also. Sometimes you are fighting terrorism and disturbed thinking, and elimination of those is a win. When you enter a country, of course you are dealing with civilians, many of whom are controlled or worse, so ridding that country of those that are doing that is also a win. South Korea, South Vietnam, and many in the Middle East are our allies. Desert Storm was indeed a win. ......Yes, Operation Desert Storm was a victory for the US-led coalition: 

Liberated Kuwait

The coalition defeated the Iraqi army and liberated Kuwait by February 28, 1991. .....

Destroyed enemy equipment

The coalition destroyed over 3,000 tanks, 1,400 armored personnel carriers, and 2,200 artillery pieces......

Low US casualties

The coalition suffered only a few hundred losses, including 96 soldiers killed in action....

One-sided conflict

Some say that Operation Desert Storm was one of history's most one-sided conflicts.......

The coalition's success was due to a number of factors, including:

• Training, armament, and leadership: The US air and ground forces had a decisive advantage in these areas....Deception: The coalition deceived the Iraqi chain of command at both the operational and tactical levels........Naval integration: The coalition deployed ships in the Arabian Gulf to protect airpower, gun fire, and missiles, and to deny the enemy port access....After the war, the US turned to humanitarian missions in Kuwait, including sorting out refugees, helping with reoccupation, and setting up food, water, and fuel distribution points. .

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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On 12/24/2024 at 12:32 PM, digger70 said:

US Warplane Brought Down in Red Sea Amid “Friendly Fire” Incident.

 

Are those Jets not aquipped with Anti Missile Systems and more sophisticated systems.

Seems a bit odd that Flying around in a Hot Area that this happen.

 

Perhaps the IFF Identification Friend or Foe transponder) had been destroyed and possibly the radio damaged as well. If the IFF was not working it would have shown up on a radar screen as not friendly and if the main radio was out of action as well, the aircrew would not have been able to respond to any calls to identify itself.

 

Just a thought.

An expensive career killing mistake to be sure,at least it wasn’t as bad as the Vincennes shooting down that Iranian airliner.or the latest blunder by putin shooting down a Russian airliner on Christmas Day,he usually at least kills one of his enemies when he kills a plane load of passengers not so this time apparently.

3 hours ago, billd766 said:

Perhaps the IFF Identification Friend or Foe transponder) had been destroyed and possibly the radio damaged as well. If the IFF was not working it would have shown up on a radar screen as not friendly and if the main radio was out of action as well, the aircrew would not have been able to respond to any calls to identify itself.

 

Just a thought.

Not likely, who would've  done that during the flight Before it was shot down?

Just thinking.

3 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

Some measure war by casualties also. Sometimes you are fighting terrorism and disturbed thinking, and elimination of those is a win. When you enter a country, of course you are dealing with civilians, many of whom are controlled or worse, so ridding that country of those that are doing that is also a win. South Korea, South Vietnam, and many in the Middle East are our allies. Desert Storm was indeed a win. ......Yes, Operation Desert Storm was a victory for the US-led coalition: 

Liberated Kuwait

The coalition defeated the Iraqi army and liberated Kuwait by February 28, 1991. .....

Destroyed enemy equipment

The coalition destroyed over 3,000 tanks, 1,400 armored personnel carriers, and 2,200 artillery pieces......

Low US casualties

The coalition suffered only a few hundred losses, including 96 soldiers killed in action....

One-sided conflict

Some say that Operation Desert Storm was one of history's most one-sided conflicts.......

The coalition's success was due to a number of factors, including:

• Training, armament, and leadership: The US air and ground forces had a decisive advantage in these areas....Deception: The coalition deceived the Iraqi chain of command at both the operational and tactical levels........Naval integration: The coalition deployed ships in the Arabian Gulf to protect airpower, gun fire, and missiles, and to deny the enemy port access....After the war, the US turned to humanitarian missions in Kuwait, including sorting out refugees, helping with reoccupation, and setting up food, water, and fuel distribution points. .
   

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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The ineptitude that resulted in the shooting down of this aircraft is typical of the modern American Military. Otherwise they would win more of the armed conflicts they engage in.

Saying that "South Vietnam" is now one of "...our allies." when that entity ceased to exist with the Fall of Saigon in 1975 is beyond ludicrous.

The initial successes in the assault on Kuwait and Iraq in the early '90s led to the full scale invasion and occupation of Iraq that ended in 2011 without anything like a "win" by any conceivable metric.

It would be like pointing to the success of the Nazi Blitzkrieg in Western Europe and ignoring subsequent events in WWII; D-Day; the carpet-bombing of German cities and the Fall of Berlin.

6 minutes ago, DaddyWarbucks said:

The ineptitude that resulted in the shooting down of this aircraft is typical of the modern American Military. Otherwise they would win more of the armed conflicts they engage in.

Saying that "South Vietnam" is now one of "...our allies." when that entity ceased to exist with the Fall of Saigon in 1975 is beyond ludicrous.

The initial successes in the assault on Kuwait and Iraq in the early '90s led to the full scale invasion and occupation of Iraq that ended in 2011 without anything like a "win" by any conceivable metric.

It would be like pointing to the success of the Nazi Blitzkrieg in Western Europe and ignoring subsequent events in WWII; D-Day; the carpet-bombing of German cities and the Fall of Berlin.

Friendly fire happens for a few reasons. Mechanical failure and under skilled pilots happens. America would win more armed conflicts? Seems like they won quite a few, as far as casualties is concerned. Politics ruins things and war is money, so things don't always end the way they should, but that aside,America could destroy any country that went up against them. Don't kid yourself thinking you know all about what they have waiting. As far as Vietnam being an ally..........https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States–Vietnam_relations

The USA lost the Vietnam war  totally  , But it  was warned  by the British in 1964 when the Americans  asked the British  to help , that it was unwinable and that  A friendly Ho chi Minh   even though a communist, was   better than defending a failed fascist colonial South Vietnam  where  90%  of the population  were Viet cong supporters  .  THe North Vietnamese were fiercely independent and Anti Russia and China  and would have been a good bulwark or USA  and saved Laos and Cambodia from the horrors too.  But the USA were too paranoid and stupid and led by greed to  see that the British were correct in their assessment .So 12 years of war resulted in Millions of deaths  , huge costs  and devastation of Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos . 

 

Today Laos and Cambodia are controlled by China  while Vietnam is a friendly prosperous country and staunchly anti China ... But the Americans learned nothing ..   The military industrial complex however did very well out of the disaster at the cost of 65,000 Americans  who were  expendable  pawns .

 

, In Iraq USA and alliance  won most of the battles  but still lost the war due to poor planning and strategy, Same in Afghanistan for Nato and USA . 

 

But the profits still roll in for the big military industrial complex ....and the same blunders continue ....