It is not a simple matter of accepting/rejecting  the Bible. There is an intelligent conversaton to be had as to what the original Gospels probably  actually said and what it means.

 

The original versions/source materials  are not available today so translation is very much an issue.

 There is an ancient  Hebrew term meaning "young woman" that may have been erroneously translated as "virgin". 

 

It is noteworthy that several places in the synoptic gospels it states  Jesus had direct descent ftom the house of David. This was a patrilineal society so would need to have come via his father. Joseph had descent ftom David.

 

In  short it is possible that  the notion of a virgin birth was not a part of early Christianity but came in later, perhaps fueled both by mistranslations and by the evolution of Mary into a figure of worship -- itself a later occurrence  -- in a cultural context which might have perceived a need for a woman to be a virgin in order to be sanctified. 

 

 

I agree, Common sense shows us that as Mary and Joseph were married, hanky-panky had to be going on. Either that, or they had serious psychological problems.

On 12/23/2024 at 8:24 AM, CHdiver said:

Pages should explore more possibilities like:

• Mary was a man in a womans body
• Mary was a woman in a mans body
• Mary stole the baby
• Josef gave birth to it but wanted to hide it, so he gave it to Mary

 

That will keep her busy for some more years........

 

Just for the record, yes a woman can get pregnant without penetration as long as the semen is placed inside her vagina. 

 

 

 

As Broom Broom Cupboard Boris Becker found out to his cost 🤣

On 12/30/2024 at 3:27 PM, Hummin said:

Whatever Jesus once was, it have become pure politics at once the romans accepted the faith in the years of 300. First Constantine the great and later Theodosius 

Of course it was. What else would it be? The rulers always co opt anything popular to control people.

The church had little to do with Christ's message, and everything to do with power and money.

4 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Of course it was. What else would it be? The rulers always co opt anything popular to control people.

The church had little to do with Christ's message, and everything to do with power and money.

Jesus will reappear as blue eyed American. Just saying

17 hours ago, Hummin said:

Jesus will reappear as blue eyed American. Just saying

America doesn't need Jesus- they have social media and celebrities.