Russia Accused of Using Migrants to Destabilize Europe, Warns Italian PM Meloni

[frank83628]

6 minutes ago, AndreasHG said:

 

What you Frank and the other Russian trolls active here fail to understand, is that dictators are inherently hostile to democracies, which they consider their sworn enemies.

 

When a country governed by a dictatorship opens up to democracy, the best thing that can happen to the dictator is to end up exiled like Pinochet or Assad, the worst is to suffer the same fatal fate of Gaddafi or Ceausescu. This is what keeps Puin awake at night.

 

Russia has never been capable of giving itself democratic institutions. And it never will.

The Russian people are condemned to live under the perpetual yoke of despotism due to their very ethnic composition. Giving Tatars, Chechens, Bashkirs, Chuvash, Avars, Armenians, Ukrainians, Dargins the right to vote freely for their representatives, would lead to the dissolution of the Russian Empire, or of the Russian Federation as it is known today.

It took the carpet bombing of Grozny, and the very heavy hand of a criminal like Ramzan Kadyrov, (the butcher of Grozny) to convince the Chechens to temporarily put aside their aspiration for independence.

 

The price paid by the Russians to keep their empire united is very high. The lack of freedom leads to a lack of innovation. Russia is the most backward country in Europe, except for the production of armaments and weapons of mass destruction (in which it excels in quantity produced, certainly not in quality). 
The lack of solid democratic checks and balances is reflected in endemic and widespread corruption, which permeates every aspect of the Russian life and limits its economic development.
The distribution of wealth favors oligarchs while foreign investments are scarce due to the weakness of the rule of law. 

 

The only beneficiaries of the Russian Empire are the dictator at its helm and the apparatchiks who are close to him. They live like rentiers, whose riches come from the natural resources of which the Empire is rich.

They do not need fellow citizens. All they need are obedient serfs, they use to extract the riches from the soil, and expendable cannon fodder to protect these riches from the occasional threat.

 

The Russian Empire is condemned by its very nature to a permanent and irreversible state of backwardness. The peoples annexed and subjugated in the Russian Empire know this too well. And this is the reason they want to escape it.  

 

 

Ahh, the classic  troll comment, just because I don't agree with you..... its called a difference of opinion!

 

Its Always amusing when a 'Westener' like you preach about democracy when not accepting Democratic results unless they go your way. trumps 16 win and brexit are 2 that spring to mind, the rise of right leaning partys, you squark like chickens when things dont go your way!

Whenever I see Putin or Russian representatives speaking they always refer to the US, UK, and other countires 'our friends in the West' where as those same countries aleay refer to Russia as the enemy.

 

 

[AndreasHG]

8 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

'Westener' like you preach about democracy when not accepting Democratic results unless they go your way. trumps 16 win and brexit are 2 that spring to mind

 

Dear Ivan, kindly explain, what does in your deranged "Eastern" mind lead to the conclusion that Westerns don't accept the results of legitimate, democratically contested elections or referenda?
Not only they are accepted, but their outcome implemented.

 

I am not in the position to give lessons of democracy to anyone. Democracy cannot be taught. Democracy is a people's collective achievement.

An achievement that has always been denied to Russia and to your "Eastern" minds. It's not an opinion. History proves it.

Born in Russia, your choices are tragically limited between been an apartnick, a serf or disposable cannon fodder. That's what you Ivans don't get right yet.

 

[Bkk Brian]

1 hour ago, frank83628 said:

 I know its not from the US, not directly, but the whole Russia BS started from there, its basically blame everything on Russia. It fits your POV so you happily believe anything without question

Yes of course you did.....😄

[frank83628]

1 hour ago, AndreasHG said:

 

Dear Ivan, kindly explain, what does in your deranged "Eastern" mind lead to the conclusion that Westerns don't accept the results of legitimate, democratically contested elections or referenda?
Not only they are accepted, but their outcome implemented.

 

I am not in the position to give lessons of democracy to anyone. Democracy cannot be taught. Democracy is a people's collective achievement.

An achievement that has always been denied to Russia and to your "Eastern" minds. It's not an opinion. History proves it.

Born in Russia, your choices are tragically limited between been an apartnick, a serf or disposable cannon fodder. That's what you Ivans don't get right yet.

 

Perhaps you only got involved with political topics & opinions since Ukraine happened, but I already  told you 2 examples., Brexit was 1, the losers cried & bitched for years about a doing a 2nd vote because they lost, and the Democrats also cried and bitched about Trumps win... and are still acting the same 9 yrs later.

 

[candide]

1 hour ago, frank83628 said:

Ahh, the classic  troll comment, just because I don't agree with you..... its called a difference of opinion!

 

Its Always amusing when a 'Westener' like you preach about democracy when not accepting Democratic results unless they go your way. trumps 16 win and brexit are 2 that spring to mind, the rise of right leaning partys, you squark like chickens when things dont go your way!

Whenever I see Putin or Russian representatives speaking they always refer to the US, UK, and other countires 'our friends in the West' where as those same countries aleay refer to Russia as the enemy.

 

 

And, of course, you forgot to mention the real assault on Democacy: Trump and the MAGA refusing to acknowledge that he lost the 2020 election, evoking ridiculous conspiracy theories of massive voter fraud, plotting fake electors lists and assaulting the Capitol in an attempt to steal elections! 

 

That's laughable! 

[connda]

5 hours ago, Yagoda said:

Russia is a third world country with nukes, cannon fodder for an Army, no air force or Navy, AD systems that cant defeat modern planes, no tanks, worthless currency, no industrial base and a shrinking population.

 

They have nothing to back up their annoyances.

That's the funniest post that I've read in a long time.    Thanks for the laugh.

[connda]

5 hours ago, JonnyF said:

While I have no doubt Russia would love to do this, it requires the facilitation by Western Liberals and progressives in order to allow their plan to succeed. 

 

 

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[frank83628]

1 hour ago, candide said:

And, of course, you forgot to mention the real assault on Democacy: Trump and the MAGA refusing to acknowledge that he lost the 2020 election, evoking ridiculous conspiracy theories of massive voter fraud, plotting fake electors lists and assaulting the Capitol in an attempt to steal elections! 

 

That's laughable! https://assets.aseannow.com/forum/uploads/emoticons/vampire.gif

But the dems cheated, that's clear to see buy the spike in votes in 2020, the 1 time event which  used a pandeic to create panic and push for mass mail in unverified ballots, and also the media supression if the Biden laptop.

Trump is still the same hilter & dictator etc etc as 2020, but stranglely there were no overnight anomalies in the vote count.... nothing to see here

 

[Yagoda]

2 hours ago, connda said:

That's the funniest post that I've read in a long time.  https://assets.aseannow.com/forum/uploads/emoticons/biggrin.gif  Thanks for the laugh.

Did I make an error?

[candide]

46 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

But the dems cheated, that's clear to see buy the spike in votes in 2020, the 1 time event which  used a pandeic to create panic and push for mass mail in unverified ballots, and also the media supression if the Biden laptop.

Trump is still the same hilter & dictator etc etc as 2020, but stranglely there were no overnight anomalies in the vote count.... nothing to see here

 

Complete B.S. All lawsuits, recounts and audits failed! You have nothing! https://assets.aseannow.com/forum/uploads/emoticons/vampire.gif

[AndreasHG]

3 hours ago, frank83628 said:

Brexit was 1, the losers cried & bitched for years about a doing a 2nd vote because they lost, and the Democrats also cried and bitched about Trumps win

 

You surely were still locked behind the Iron Curtain, when the UK hold its first referendum on continued membership in the then European Community in 1975, and therefore you are not aware of it. Unlike in 2016, in 1975 remain won.

 

You also miss the fact that, in democracy, the result of election and referendum have consequences, also when those in power don't like it. Donald Trump became president (not once but twice), and, while David Cameron resigned, Brexit was successfully carried out.

 

Being used to live in a totalitarian state, were people either agree with the Leader or disappear, jump from high floors windows, get food poisoning, or die in jail, it may sound weird to you: in the West, anyone has the right to dissent, also with what the majority voted, and also to call for a second referendum, like happened with regards to the UK membership to the EC now EU.

Or, like it's going to happen in Switzerland, with regards to a more comprehensive agreement with the EU.

 

As I mentioned before, democracy cannot be taught. You have to deserve it. And it's clear to me Russians just don't deserve it.

 

[AndreasHG]

1 hour ago, frank83628 said:

But the dems cheated, that's clear to see buy the spike in votes in 2020, the 1 time event which

 

This is the most childish argument I heard (not for the first time). The spike has been caused by two distinct factors:

1. After four years of constant White House-induced drama, so many people were fed up that they turned out to vote en masse against the then-incumbent president.
    
2. n 2020, Joe Biden, a white, male and experienced candidate, was the perfect opponent to mobilize the Democratic and moderate vote after four years of chaos.

It is easy to predict that, as happened during the first Trump presidency, the next midterm elections will result in a disaster for the republican party. And that a Democratic president will be elected in 2028 (unless Kamala Harris wins the Democratic primaries, of course).