Trump Calls for Return of Panama Canal Over "Unfair" Transit Rates

[herfiehandbag]

35 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Its a new world: we decide what is your country or not, especially when we are paying your freight.

 

25 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

We will see how high your little country goes when we say "Jump"

What's next eh? Demands for "Lebensraum" in adjacent countries?

[mdr224]

5 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

 

And over 70,000,000 Americans voted for him. What does this tell us about those voters... 

that their opinion counts and yours doesnt?

[Yagoda]

3 minutes ago, herfiehandbag said:

 

What's next eh? Demands for "Lebensraum" in adjacent countries?

Thats a National Socialist gig, we dont need it. If we do, just grab Ontario, they will be bankrupt soon after they get the bill for constant commercials on Fox News begging us not to tariff them.

[Yagoda]

1 minute ago, mdr224 said:

that their opinion counts and yours doesnt?

Shhhhhhhhhh. They think they matter.

[Peabody]

7 hours ago, Social Media said:

calling the move a "token of cooperation" that had been misused. "If the principles, both moral and legal, of this magnanimous gesture of giving are not followed, t

Well, if anyone knows about not following principles, both moral and legal, well...

[Dcheech]

Digging around for a populist cause to keep the mook contingent excited & entertained. It's been done before ... 

[Emdog]

As Senator S.I. Hayakawa notably said back when Panama Canal was returned to .... "Panama!": "It's our canal. We stole it fair and square."

Imbecilic and lacking follow thru thinking to assume US can just take back the canal with no repercussions...

[Peabody]

5 hours ago, 1duckyboy said:

Due to the low water levels supplying  the Panama Canal, the number of ships passing through it has been forced to dramatically decrease, sometimes leaving ships waiting weeks in line to use it. Panama has taken advantage of the situation and raised passage fees to astronomical levels for everyone, not just U.S. ships. There's now an unofficial bidding war among waiting ships to get through the canal.

Capitalism at its best

[1duckyboy]

2 hours ago, mikebike said:

Upon opening in 1914 it cost the equivalent of $38/ton.

 

Today the cost is $10/ton.

 

😂😂😂😂Astronomical 🤣🤣🤣🤣

 

Where do you get this drivel? Oh wait, I know 🤣🤣

 

Comparing the cost of something over 100 years ago to the cost now is nonsensical.

Here's what Google AI's "drivel" says about the cost of transiting the Panama Canal in the last 10 years. 

 

"The cost to pass through the Panama Canal has changed significantly in the last ten years, with the average cost of transiting the canal increasing to $900,000 since the canal's expansion: 

• Tolls

  Tolls are based on a ship's type, tonnage, and payload, with larger ships paying more. For example, Panamax containerships can pay up to half a million dollars in tolls. 
• Auction fees

  Auction fees can double the cost of using the canal, and in 2023 reached as much as $4 million per passage. 
• Drought

  A drought has halved the number of daily slots available through the canal, forcing shippers to pay more to get their cargoes through. 

  The Panama Canal Expansion project, which was completed in 2016, tripled the canal's capacity. The canal authority is planning to create a new reservoir to supply enough extra water to handle an additional 12 to 15 passages a day." 

[alex8912]

14 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Maybe it's time that Britain thinks about taking control again of those Nort American colonies.

Then Britain would become the the 51st state BEFORE Canada!!  Just think a little more about your foolish post. 

[Peabody]

In other news, Russia is demanding Alaska back, Mexico is taking back SW Amerikkka, the Spanish are taking back Florida, and France is demanding the return of the Louisiana Purchase. Contracts, treaties, and promises mean nothing that goon.

[stevenl]

23 minutes ago, Peabody said:

In other news, Russia is demanding Alaska back, Mexico is taking back SW Amerikkka, the Spanish are taking back Florida, and France is demanding the return of the Louisiana Purchase. Contracts, treaties, and promises mean nothing that goon.

You forgot about the Dutch taking over trump tower in new York. Debt free of course.

[Yagoda]

1 hour ago, UWEB said:

That's what the Musk Fascist has told already, we don't need twice the same nonsense.

No, Musk isnt a fascist. Nor a National Socialist, which ideology favours an avatar like yours.

[Yagoda]

1 hour ago, Emdog said:

As Senator S.I. Hayakawa notably said back when Panama Canal was returned to .... "Panama!": "It's our canal. We stole it fair and square."

Imbecilic and lacking follow thru thinking to assume US can just take back the canal with no repercussions...

Who is going to stop us? Socialist cadre ranting on forums?

[Yagoda]

1 hour ago, 1duckyboy said:

 

Comparing the cost of something over 100 years ago to the cost now is nonsensical.

Here's what Google AI's "drivel" says about the cost of transiting the Panama Canal in the last 10 years. 

 

"The cost to pass through the Panama Canal has changed significantly in the last ten years, with the average cost of transiting the canal increasing to $900,000 since the canal's expansion: 

• Tolls

  Tolls are based on a ship's type, tonnage, and payload, with larger ships paying more. For example, Panamax containerships can pay up to half a million dollars in tolls. 
• Auction fees

  Auction fees can double the cost of using the canal, and in 2023 reached as much as $4 million per passage. 
• Drought

  A drought has halved the number of daily slots available through the canal, forcing shippers to pay more to get their cargoes through. 

  The Panama Canal Expansion project, which was completed in 2016, tripled the canal's capacity. The canal authority is planning to create a new reservoir to supply enough extra water to handle an additional 12 to 15 passages a day." 

Quoting Google AI. Got it. Another non thinker.

[OneMoreFarang]

55 minutes ago, Peabody said:

In other news, Russia is demanding Alaska back, Mexico is taking back SW Amerikkka, the Spanish are taking back Florida, and France is demanding the return of the Louisiana Purchase. Contracts, treaties, and promises mean nothing that goon.

 

Imagine you would tell this to Trump.

He wouldn't understand any of those references.

[Yagoda]

1 hour ago, Peabody said:

In other news, Russia is demanding Alaska back, Mexico is taking back SW Amerikkka, the Spanish are taking back Florida, and France is demanding the return of the Louisiana Purchase. Contracts, treaties, and promises mean nothing that goon.

Alaska? We bought it, Russia cant afford to buy it back.

 

Mexico? What are they going to do, beg? They exist as a country solely because we let them.

 

Spanish? They cant even take care of their own internals? They even have an army?

 

France: Bwaaaaahahahahahahahaha. The heighth of pathetic.

 

By the way America is spelled with a "c". Amerika is the German spelling. Let me guess you are trying to make a college kid statement?

[Yagoda]

3 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

 

Imagine you would tell this to Trump.

He wouldn't understand any of those references.

Im sure he would, he is a sucessful and wealthy businessman, unlike the Socialists ranting on a message board

[Will B Good]

Panama Canal Tolls:

 

Uniform Toll Structure: The Panama Canal Authority (ACP) implements a standardised toll system based on vessel size, type, and cargo, applying these rates uniformly to all nations. This approach ensures equitable treatment for all users.

[George Aylesham]

8 hours ago, Social Media said:

 

President-elect Donald Trump has issued a bold ultimatum to Panamanian authorities: either reduce transit fees for U.S. ships using the Panama Canal or relinquish control of the canal back to the United States. His remarks, shared in a flurry of posts on Truth Social, have reignited debates over the canal's role in international trade and sovereignty.  

 

 

Trump's grievances centered on what he described as "unfair and injudicious" treatment of American naval and commercial vessels passing through the canal. In his posts, he criticized previous U.S. administrations for ceding control of the strategic waterway to Panama in 1999, calling the move a "token of cooperation" that had been misused. "If the principles, both moral and legal, of this magnanimous gesture of giving are not followed, then we will demand that the Panama Canal be returned to us, in full, and without question," he stated.  

 

 

Panama's President, Jose Raúl Mulino, swiftly rejected Trump’s demands, reaffirming the nation's sovereignty over the canal. "The sovereignty and independence of our country are not negotiable," Mulino declared in a video response posted on social media. He also emphasized the canal's global importance, describing it as a "mission to serve humanity and its commerce" and a cornerstone of Panama's self-determination.  

 

Trump fired back, quoting Mulino’s response and cryptically adding, "We'll see about that!" He later posted an image of the American flag flying over the canal with the caption, "Welcome to the United States Canal!"  

 

The controversy has reignited discussions about the canal's historical significance and its place in global trade. Originally built and controlled by the United States after an agreement with Panama in 1904, the canal was handed over to full Panamanian control at the end of 1999 under a treaty signed by President Jimmy Carter in 1977. While this agreement guaranteed the canal's neutrality, some critics have viewed the transition as a symbol of colonialism’s lingering legacy.  

 

 

Today, the Panama Canal remains a critical artery for international commerce, with around 10,000 ships transiting annually. Approximately 70% of those ships are bound for or departing from U.S. ports, representing about 2.5% of global maritime trade. However, recent droughts have limited capacity and driven up transit fees, which Trump called "ridiculous" and "highly unfair" during a speech at the Turning Point Action Conference in Phoenix, Arizona.  

 

Adding to the complexity is China’s growing influence in the canal’s operations. Beijing has invested heavily in the Canal Zone in recent years, raising alarms about its potential impact on the waterway’s neutrality. The Center for Strategic and International Studies warned in 2021 of a "key decision point" for U.S. interests in the region, while the U.S. ambassador to Panama has reportedly cautioned against forcing the nation into choosing between the U.S. and China.  

 

Trump’s comments have drawn sharp criticism from Panamanian officials. National Assembly member Manuel Alberto Samaniego Rodriguez took to social media, calling Trump’s remarks "regrettable" and pledging to defend Panama’s sovereignty "with his life if necessary."  

As the debate unfolds, the Panama Canal remains a focal point of global trade and diplomacy, symbolizing both opportunity and contention in a shifting geopolitical landscape.

 

Based on a report by AXIOS 2024-12-24

 

 

 

Along with buying Greenland - the man is clearly senile.

[transam]

Oh, the latest Musk idea....................🙄.....................Go upset everybody......

[Peabody]

1 hour ago, Peabody said:

In other news, Russia is demanding Alaska back, Mexico is taking back SW Amerikkka, the Spanish are taking back Florida, and France is demanding the return of the Louisiana Purchase. Contracts, treaties, and promises mean nothing that goon.

And the American Indians are taking back anything that's left!  🙂

 

[bubblegum]

1 hour ago, Yagoda said:

We will see how high your little country goes when we say "Jump"

Oh my, you are so mighty and strong. How did you do again in Vietnam/Afghanistan/Mogadishu?

 

[Will B Good]

1 hour ago, Peabody said:

In other news, Russia is demanding Alaska back, Mexico is taking back SW Amerikkka, the Spanish are taking back Florida, and France is demanding the return of the Louisiana Purchase. Contracts, treaties, and promises mean nothing that goon.

 

 

Imagine what the Brits might demand should be 'returned' to them.

[Will B Good]

5 minutes ago, George Aylesham said:

Along with buying Greenland - the man is clearly senile.

 

I think it's based on chaos theory........just throw in all kinds of massive distractions to deflect from what investigative journalists should be focussing upon.

 

Trump claims all mineral rights on the Moon

 

Trump claims all sea beds are now US owned

 

Trump claims Mike Gaetz is a suitable candidate for Attorney General.

[Yagoda]

10 minutes ago, bubblegum said:

Oh my, you are so mighty and strong. How did you do again in Vietnam/Afghanistan/Mogadishu?

 

Crappy because we were too nice. Although in a historical sense Vietnam was a victory. But you would have to have a secure foundation in History and Geopolitics to understand that.

[candide]

It's a long story.... 😆

 

Trump’s name removed from Panama hotel after legal fight

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/03/05/trump-organization-panama-hotel-437092

[Yagoda]

7 minutes ago, Will B Good said:

 

I think it's based on chaos theory........just throw in all kinds of massive distractions to deflect from what investigative journalists should be focussing upon.

 

Trump claims all mineral rights on the Moon

 

Trump claims all sea beds are now US owned

 

Trump claims Mike Gaetz is a suitable candidate for Attorney General.

I would love to see Gaetz as AG. O boy, bring me the popcorn.

[stevenl]

1 minute ago, candide said:

It's a long story.... 😆

 

Trump’s name removed from Panama hotel after legal fight

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/03/05/trump-organization-panama-hotel-437092

Yes, that's the real reason.

[Yagoda]

1 minute ago, candide said:

It's a long story.... 😆

 

Trump’s name removed from Panama hotel after legal fight

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/03/05/trump-organization-panama-hotel-437092

From Politico, ergo untrustworthy