On 12/24/2024 at 12:56 PM, BritScot said:

You need to read some history! Ask yourself why Russians are never taken hostage in the middle east? You will find its because of their response years ago. It involved going after the terrorists male family members and I believe removal of a body part! Their hostages were immediately released. Over millennium it has been shown the only way to deal with terrorists is with terror. 

Suuuure! 

 

https://www.reuters.com/world/russian-rights-commissioner-calls-swift-release-russians-held-by-hamas-2024-06-11/

 

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2024/11/15/moscow-calls-for-release-of-russians-held-hostage-in-gaza-a87021

18 minutes ago, candide said:

Suuuure! 

 

https://www.reuters.com/world/russian-rights-commissioner-calls-swift-release-russians-held-by-hamas-2024-06-11/

 

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2024/11/15/moscow-calls-for-release-of-russians-held-hostage-in-gaza-a87021

 

   Although those people are Israeli/Russian and not just Russian 

On 12/24/2024 at 1:27 AM, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Who are you referring to ?

Who is the American citizen that got cut up with a bone saw and by whom ?

 

US government had a duty to warn Jamal Kashoggi of the Saudi plot which US intelligence had identified. Kashoggi was a resident of the USA  as a holder of an O Visa.  US government failed to warn Kashoggi. Hence, the financial settlement.

3 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

 

US government had a duty to warn Jamal Kashoggi of the Saudi plot which US intelligence had identified. Kashoggi was a resident of the USA  as a holder of an O Visa.  US government failed to warn Kashoggi. Hence, the financial settlement.

 

   What financial settlement was that ?

51 minutes ago, candide said:

As if the Hamas or other terrorists would be impressed by the perspective  of being shot! 

 

   The Hamas terrorists have began the process of releasing the hostages , they did that just after Trump made his threats to severely punish them .

   The Hamas terrorists made their move a few days after Trumps' announcement , although Bidens supporters are crediting Joe for getting the hostages released .

   It was Joes negotiating skills that will get the hostages released 

20 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   The Hamas terrorists have began the process of releasing the hostages , they did that just after Trump made his threats to severely punish them .

   The Hamas terrorists made their move a few days after Trumps' announcement , although Bidens supporters are crediting Joe for getting the hostages released .

   It was Joes negotiating skills that will get the hostages released 

Nice MAGA Christmas tale! 

2 minutes ago, candide said:

Nice MAGA Christmas tale! 

 

  It's all true . 

7 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

  It's all true . 

So they haven't been deterred by Israeli threats (and proven ability) to retaliate, but they would have been impressed by vague threats from Trump, months before he would come to power!

 

Indeed, a nice MAGA Christmas tale,....

44 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   The Hamas terrorists have began the process of releasing the hostages , they did that just after Trump made his threats to severely punish them .

   The Hamas terrorists made their move a few days after Trumps' announcement , although Bidens supporters are crediting Joe for getting the hostages released .

   It was Joes negotiating skills that will get the hostages released 

 

 "The Hamas terrorists have began the process of releasing the hostages"............ have any actually been released since Trump made his threat?

 

You then say....."although Bidens supporters are crediting Joe for getting the hostages released"......so they have already been released?

 

You then say.......... "It was Joes negotiating skills that will get the hostages released" ......so not Trump's threats????

28 minutes ago, Will B Good said:

 

 "The Hamas terrorists have began the process of releasing the hostages"............ have any actually been released since Trump made his threat?

 

You then say....."although Bidens supporters are crediting Joe for getting the hostages released"......so they have already been released?

 

You then say.......... "It was Joes negotiating skills that will get the hostages released" ......so not Trump's threats????

 

   I don't have a patience to explain things to you, sorry about that 

3 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   I don't have a patience to explain things to you, sorry about that 

 

Weak....very weak.

4 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   I don't have a patience to explain things to you, sorry about that 

 

To be fair....if you didn't write garbage you wouldn't need to explain.

So Waltz can dance his way into infamy with grand threats of Mighty US threats while ignoring GITMO ?

Yeehaw !

4 minutes ago, Will B Good said:

 

Weak....very weak.

 

  You were rude and abusive and insulting to me earlier. 

Do you really think that I would continue the dialogue with you ?

On 12/24/2024 at 1:04 PM, jcmj said:

It’s time to make America strong again. It’s been weak for years and nothing like America used to be. It’ll take more than this, but it’s a start. America has been the butt of jokes all over the world and at least 1/2 of them don’t even know that. 

The MAGATS?

50 minutes ago, candide said:

So they haven't been deterred by Israeli threats (and proven ability) to retaliate, but they would have been impressed by vague threats from Trump, months before he would come to power!

 

Indeed, a nice MAGA Christmas tale,....

 

   Hamas  have refused to release the hostages for over a year now .

Kept the hostages for 14 months .

Trump told them to release the hostages before he took power and within a few weeks , Hamas took steps for the hostages release .

   Its a true story

12 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

  You were rude and abusive and insulting to me earlier. 

Do you really think that I would continue the dialogue with you ?

When?

8 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Hamas took steps

 

555

4 hours ago, Will B Good said:

 

You're onto a loser here....literally......save yourself some time and effort.....555

 

  Right here . 

Saying that I am a loser and its a waste of time and effort talking to me .

On 12/24/2024 at 12:56 PM, BritScot said:

You need to read some history! Ask yourself why Russians are never taken hostage in the middle east? You will find its because of their response years ago. It involved going after the terrorists male family members and I believe removal of a body part! Their hostages were immediately released. Over millennium it has been shown the only way to deal with terrorists is with terror. 

 

Apparently untrue:

 

https://carnegieendowment.org/middle-east/diwan/2024/09/alpha-males-in-beirut?lang=en

 

And Hamas has/had Russian hostages:

 

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/world/moscow-calls-on-hamas-to-free-2-russian-hostages/3394849

1 hour ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Hamas  have refused to release the hostages for over a year now .

Kept the hostages for 14 months .

Trump told them to release the hostages before he took power and within a few weeks , Hamas took steps for the hostages release .

   Its a true story

That's a fairy tale for the gullible.

 

Those guys already have a target on them and they know (as you do) how effective the Israeli can be. They know that whenever the Israeli find them, they will be terminated. Trump's threat is peanuts for them compared to the proven ability of the Israeli to eliminate terrorists.

 

2 minutes ago, candide said:

That's a fairy tale for the gullible.

 

Those guys already have a target on them and they know (as you do) how effective the Israeli can be. They know that whenever the Israeli find them, they will be terminated. Trump's threat is peanuts for them compared to the proven ability of the Israeli to eliminate terrorists.

 

 

   We are talking about the hostages being released .

We are not talking about the fate of the hostage takers 

7 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   We are talking about the hostages being released .

We are not talking about the fate of the hostage takers 

It confirms that your explanation for the release is a MAGA fairy tale.

2 minutes ago, candide said:

It confirms that your explanation for the release is a MAGA fairy tale.

 

  Its not  fairy tale .

Trump told the hostage takers to release the hostages and the hostage takers immediately took steps for them to be released 

Just now, Nick Carter icp said:

 

  Its not  fairy tale .

Trump told the hostage takers to release the hostages and the hostage takers immediately took steps for them to be released 

Correlation is not causation.

2 minutes ago, candide said:

Correlation is not causation.

 

   Was it Joe Bidens negotiating skills that caused the hostage takers to have a change of stance and to take steps to release the hostages ? 

3 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Was it Joe Bidens negotiating skills that caused the hostage takers to have a change of stance and to take steps to release the hostages ? 

I don't know, as I am not privy to the negotiations. My point is that the threats made by Trump are peanuts compared to the (more than) threats by the Israeli.

 

What can Trump do which can be worse than the past and current decimation of Hamas by Israeli?

1 minute ago, candide said:

I don't know, as I am not privy to the negotiations. My point is that the threats made by Trump are peanuts compared to the (more than) threats by the Israeli.

 

What can Trump do which can be worse than the past and current decimation of Hamas by Israeli?

 

   Trump mentioned the people responsible for taking the hostages . 

Iran would be those people responsible for the hostages being held .

As Iran financed it all , as they bank roll Hamas .

Trump was talking about Iran/Hamas .

Iran quite probably have told Hamas to release the hostages .

Trump can provide more weapons to Israel , so Israel can turn Iran into another Gaza

 

1 hour ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

  Right here . 

Saying that I am a loser and its a waste of time and effort talking to me .

 

NO!!! I meant the battle with you means he would be a loser!!!!.....He wouldn't win.

24 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Trump mentioned the people responsible for taking the hostages . 

Iran would be those people responsible for the hostages being held .

As Iran financed it all , as they bank roll Hamas .

Trump was talking about Iran/Hamas .

Iran quite probably have told Hamas to release the hostages .

Trump can provide more weapons to Israel , so Israel can turn Iran into another Gaza

 

How do you know that? 🙂

 

I checked the latest news about it and there's no mention of a sudden release of hostages. Just a difficult negotiation, in which Trump is not involved, which may (hopefully) succeed.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/hostage-negotiators-returning-to-israel-from-qatar-for-internal-deliberations/