CPR Training: where in PTY?

[Peabody]

I would like my GF to get trained in CPR. We live in the Pattaya area. Any tips?

[anchadian]

Your GF just need to watch a youtube CPR training video.

[Hummin]

11 minutes ago, Peabody said:

I would like my GF to get trained in CPR. We live in the Pattaya area. Any tips?

Check with local red cross

[Smokin Joe]

1 hour ago, Peabody said:

I would like my GF to get trained in CPR. We live in the Pattaya area. Any tips?

 

https://firstaidtrainingpattaya.com/

[0ffshore360]

It is difficult to get the recipient requiring cpr to sign a non liability document prior to application due to the risk of law suit  for associated physical damage such as  broken ribs and/or lung puncture, bruising and etc's.

I learned cpr   as a part of occupational requirements  but obese old individuals  were invisible in eligibility to it from me.

Unless you desire to be a recipient I would suggest simply supplying a card with emergency  contact information to "rescue" orgs that possibly have risk immunity.

Or have an "Enduring Will" to accomodate your timely  demise.

[Peabody]

2 hours ago, 0ffshore360 said:

Unless you desire to be a recipient...

That is EXACTLY why I want her to be trained, and hands-on beats Youtube for this skill.

[Peabody]

Much obliged to all who replied!  ❤️

[thaibeachlovers]

11 hours ago, anchadian said:

Your GF just need to watch a youtube CPR training video.

Not the same as using a training dummy, but for most it doesn't matter how it's done as long as the head is positioned to open the airway and  lungs are compressed and released at a rapid rate.

For those that learned long ago, it's no longer required to do a finger sweep in the mouth or to do breaths. The compressions move air in and out. It's also done faster.

 

Obviously it's better to do it properly, but even doing it properly can result in broken ribs.

 

Something to bear in mind is that even a successful resus requires hospital follow up, and hopefully oxygen asap, so hope the ambulance has some on board.

 

Something that can be learned off a VDO is how to put the patient in recovery position- essential post resus while waiting for an ambulance.

[thaibeachlovers]

6 hours ago, Peabody said:

That is EXACTLY why I want her to be trained, and hands-on beats Youtube for this skill.

Surely you know how to do it, or is it only for your benefit?

It should be taught at school for everyone, but of course isn't.

[thaibeachlovers]

9 hours ago, 0ffshore360 said:

I learned cpr   as a part of occupational requirements  but obese old individuals  were invisible in eligibility to it from me.

Ditto re training, but being selective was not an option for myself.

However these days I can do it for 5 minutes and give up due to old age. It's actually hard work if having to do it for a while.

[thaibeachlovers]

9 hours ago, 0ffshore360 said:

It is difficult to get the recipient requiring cpr to sign a non liability document prior to application due to the risk of law suit  for associated physical damage such as  broken ribs and/or lung puncture, bruising and etc's.

Luckily I live in a country with a Good Samaritan law, so can't be prosecuted for any of those complications but I probably would be if I refused to try, given my career.

 

Up to now there has been no requirements for me to put my training into practice outside a hospital. The only road accident I came across where I might have had to do something involving resus didn't ,as the casualty, a m'bike rider, was literally headless.

[Hummin]

36 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Not the same as using a training dummy, but for most it doesn't matter how it's done as long as the head is positioned to open the airway and  lungs are compressed and released at a rapid rate.

For those that learned long ago, it's no longer required to do a finger sweep in the mouth or to do breaths. The compressions move air in and out. It's also done faster.

 

Obviously it's better to do it properly, but even doing it properly can result in broken ribs.

 

Something to bear in mind is that even a successful resus requires hospital follow up, and hopefully oxygen asap, so hope the ambulance has some on board.

 

Something that can be learned off a VDO is how to put the patient in recovery position- essential post resus while waiting for an ambulance.

 

Cpr only keeps your brain and organs saturated with oxygen. You need shooks to restart the hearth

 

 

Can you survive cardiac arrest?

Without immediate treatment, sudden cardiac arrest can lead to death. Emergency treatment for sudden cardiac arrest includes cardiopulmonary resuscitation (CPR) and shocks to the heart with a device called an automated external defibrillator (AED). Survival is possible with fast, appropriate medical care

[thaibeachlovers]

46 minutes ago, Hummin said:

 

Cpr only keeps your brain and organs saturated with oxygen. You need shooks to restart the hearth

 

 

Can you survive cardiac arrest?

Without immediate treatment, sudden cardiac arrest can lead to death. Emergency treatment for sudden cardiac arrest includes cardiopulmonary resuscitation (CPR) and shocks to the heart with a device called an automated external defibrillator (AED). Survival is possible with fast, appropriate medical care

CPR without an AED and without prompt medical treatment is only likely to lead to brain impairment, IMO. No one can keep it up for long, so unless one has a replacement it's only as long as one can keep pumping.

[Hummin]

16 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

CPR without an AED and without prompt medical treatment is only likely to lead to brain impairment, IMO. No one can keep it up for long, so unless one has a replacement it's only as long as one can keep pumping.

And if not done before it is hard to do even a few minutes during a real situation. Training is one thing, a real case is another.

 

And broken ribs is most likely to happen

[PJ71]

14 hours ago, anchadian said:

Your GF just need to watch a youtube CPR training video.

Is that all surgeons do too?

[PJ71]

1 hour ago, Hummin said:

And if not done before it is hard to do even a few minutes during a real situation. Training is one thing, a real case is another.

 

And broken ribs is most likely to happen

Broken ribs trump death tho, right?

[Hummin]

1 minute ago, PJ71 said:

Broken ribs trump death tho, right?

And lung injuries is common, but bot heals if you survive. 

 

However if I'm at a good age, and happy in life, and maybe more if I start to have bad health, I hope I'm not rescued if my hearth stops. I'm okay to not be rescued.

 

 

[RocketDog]

17 hours ago, anchadian said:

Your GF just need to watch a youtube CPR training video.

Agreed

It's not rocket science and there are literally hundreds of videos.

[newbee2022]

18 hours ago, Peabody said:

I would like my GF to get trained in CPR. We live in the Pattaya area. Any tips?

In Pattaya??? Better to go for a self defense course 🤗

[In Full Agreement]

18 hours ago, Hummin said:

Check with local red cross

 

 

Or hospital.     The hospital may even offer training.

[Hummin]

57 minutes ago, In Full Agreement said:

 

 

Or hospital.     The hospital may even offer training.

Red cross offer training world wide at their local offices

 

https://training.redcross.or.th/en/course/emergency-first-aid-awareness-course/

[Sheryl]

4 hours ago, RocketDog said:

Agreed

It's not rocket science and there are literally hundreds of videos.

Speaking as one who has been certified and (innumerable times) recertified in CPR, and actually performed it scores of times over the years: 

 

It is s physical skill and cannot be adequatly learned ftom a video. Hands on practice is needed.  There are mannikins specifically designed for this purpose .

 

Even among people properly  trained and certified, if they never actually do it, skill level is often poor and confidence lacking.

 

Note that CPR and first aid are not the same thing.

 

As for the utility of CPR in a situation where defibrillation etc not available, it really depends on the cause of the arrest.  And how quickly medical aid arrives.

 

CPR by a lay person in a community or home setting does the most good when the victim is comparatively young and  healthy, and arrest was due to a sudden event rather than underlying medical condition.  e.g. cases of drowning etc.

 

For that matter, even CPR by medical personnel accompanied by defibrillation if indicated (it is NOT alwsys necessary) often  does not have a very good outcome if the arrest resulted ftom an underlying medical condition as opposed to sudden event. Especially in older people. 

 

[Watawattana]

The last CPR training I did (& defrib) was with a dive school in Pattaya - https://www.divecentrepattaya.com/.  There was some theory and plenty of time to practice on a mannequin.  From memory there was no full practice with a defrib as it needs a real body but the unit was switched on so we could see the indicators, then after it was switched off we practiced where to place the probes on the mannequin.  I thought it was a good course.

 

They demonstrated the "Stayin' Alive" technique, but not in these costumes 🤭 - 

 

[WorriedNoodle]

On 12/25/2024 at 8:25 PM, 0ffshore360 said:

Unless you desire to be a recipient I would suggest simply supplying a card with emergency  contact information to "rescue" orgs that possibly have risk immunity.

What is this nonsense you scribe and say you have "learned as a part of occupational requirements"?

 

CPR is not not something a person who has stopped breathing or has no pulse is likely to sue over whilst preferring to wait on emergency services. Its a life saving technique anyone can learn that is applied during the wait for medical professionals to arrive.

[RocketDog]

On 12/26/2024 at 4:39 PM, Sheryl said:

Speaking as one who has been certified and (innumerable times) recertified in CPR, and actually performed it scores of times over the years: 

 

It is s physical skill and cannot be adequatly learned ftom a video. Hands on practice is needed.  There are mannikins specifically designed for this purpose .

 

Even among people properly  trained and certified, if they never actually do it, skill level is often poor and confidence lacking.

 

Note that CPR and first aid are not the same thing.

 

As for the utility of CPR in a situation where defibrillation etc not available, it really depends on the cause of the arrest.  And how quickly medical aid arrives.

 

CPR by a lay person in a community or home setting does the most good when the victim is comparatively young and  healthy, and arrest was due to a sudden event rather than underlying medical condition.  e.g. cases of drowning etc.

 

For that matter, even CPR by medical personnel accompanied by defibrillation if indicated (it is NOT alwsys necessary) often  does not have a very good outcome if the arrest resulted ftom an underlying medical condition as opposed to sudden event. Especially in older people. 

 

So you're saying that even with a trained expert CPR is often not successful and that retraining is necessary repeatedly.

 

Realistically that is just not going to happen. For me it's more a case of using the best efforts one can make at the time needed regardless of actual talent since the outcome without intervention is usually pretty clear.

 

I also experienced cpr as I was the only present who was willing to try. When I arrived at the scence people were wandering around in shock and couldn't even tell me how long the patient had been unconscious.

So I bent the head back, cleared the tongue, started alternating compression and breathing. I continued this on a dead body until the ambulance arrived.  I figured the guy had been dead for a while but what choice did I have? Doing nothing is what everybody else on the scene did.

 

I think rendering inexpert aid is better than none at all. It's an imperfect world but we do all we can.

 

If you are suggesting that anybody not thoroughly and repeatedly trained in all the nuances of CPR is the only one who should render aid I have to disagree.

Most people cannot spend the time and energy to become experts in preparation for an event they will probably never experience.

 

It takes experience to be an expert on using an AED  too but they are ubiquitous in public areas. I'm going to assume they are there for people besides a doctor or paramedic to use.

 

I can appreciate your response and recommendations but if you ever need CPR  yourself just hope somebody not an expert is at least willing to give you a chance at life.

[Sheryl]

3 hours ago, RocketDog said:

 

If you are suggesting that anybody not thoroughly and repeatedly trained in all the nuances of CPR is the only one who should render aid I have to disagree.

 

No, I was saying -- contrary to several posts ptior to mine -- that it cannot be adequately learned by just watching a video. A CPR course will include hands on (mannewuin) practice.

 

 

 

 

[RocketDog]

5 hours ago, Sheryl said:

No, I was saying -- contrary to several posts ptior to mine -- that it cannot be adequately learned by just watching a video. A CPR course will include hands on (mannewuin) practice.

 

 

 

 

Agreed, but the fundamental mechanics can, and the few basic steps to follow. The words "adequately learned" is the existential point here.

 

More people are likely to pick up the basics, at least, from YouTube than by making the effort to take classes and periodic refreshers.

 

Such individuals may feel empowered to at least try to save a life than they would if totally ignorant. The same reasoning follows for the Heimlich Maneuver.

 

In the news recently was a 9 year-old saving his younger brother from choking to death. I'm willing to bet he never had any training but got the idea from TV.

 

In many cases limited knowledge is worse than none at all, but for this situation I'd say that's not the case.

 

I didn't like kissing a fat dead guy for 20 minutes but knew I was his only chance.

 

There were over ten other people standing around clutching their pearls. They were incoherent and couldn't even tell me how long he had been laying there before I arrived.

 

Needs must.

 

All that said, I highly respect your experience and knowledge in matters medical and find your advice always beneficial. Thank you for your efforts in these forums.