The Unheeded Warnings: How Mass Immigration Is Reshaping Europe

[Bkk Brian]

  On 12/27/2024 at 9:59 AM, Neeranam said:

I will refrain from your rude, baiting remarks. 

Back on ignore, so no need to reply. 

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lol, I will reply as and when I see fit. The only baiting remarks were these.........(my highlight of your baiting remarks)

 

Hope you enjoyed the photo, I have others to post for you if you want some more

 

  On 12/27/2024 at 7:01 AM, Neeranam said:

Hardly a surprise! A vile man. 

 

 In The Guardian, the political journalist Gaby Hinsliff described Strange Death as "gentrified xenophobia" and "Chapter after chapter circles around the same repetitive themes: migrants raping and murdering and terrorising"

 

Articles in the academic journals Ethnic and Racial Studies and National Identities associate his views with Islamophobia and he has been linked to far-right.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_Murray_(author)#:~:text=Academic and journalistic sources have,critic of immigration and Islam.

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[Neeranam]

  On 12/27/2024 at 5:19 AM, mokwit said:

 

 

Likewise the Balkans, it became more than an extreme minority doing the beheadings.

 

 

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Strange, when I was  at school, we were taught about the French Mandate (1918–1943), which imposed a sectarian political system in Lebanon that caused divisions, which later played a part in the Lebanese Civil War (1975–1990).

The idea that Muslims somehow “took over” or that they acted violently towards Christians is a distortion of the history.

To put it simply, Lebanon had peace between religions until Western Colonial powers got involved. Quite a common thing in that area. 

Do you need me to teach you about all the ME countries that the UK colonized in the last 2 centuries? 

[Neeranam]

  On 12/27/2024 at 5:27 AM, Peterphuket said:

....and they are now doing so in many countries.

It's an extremely defiant culture.

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Do you mean like Iran, who haven't started a war in the last 200 years?

I bet you can't say that about your country. 

[Neeranam]

  On 12/27/2024 at 7:09 AM, JonnyF said:

 

Like at the German market last week?

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Are you saying immigration should cease to exist. Are you not an immigrant, I am?

Do you think the farang that commit crime in Thailand represent all of us? Come on man. 

[Neeranam]

  On 12/27/2024 at 6:34 AM, riclag said:

Better to be safe than sorry!

Cant stress this enough!

 

islam extremism !

Sept 11

 

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Of course this had nothing to do with US foreign policy? Starting a war in Iraq? Don't tell me you think it was only because of WMD

[mokwit]

  On 12/27/2024 at 10:40 AM, Neeranam said:

Strange, when I was  at school, we were taught about the French Mandate (1918–1943), which imposed a sectarian political system in Lebanon that caused divisions, which later played a part in the Lebanese Civil War (1975–1990).

The idea that Muslims somehow “took over” or that they acted violently towards Christians is a distortion of the history.

To put it simply, Lebanon had peace between religions until Western Colonial powers got involved. Quite a common thing in that area. 

Do you need me to teach you about all the ME countries that the UK colonized in the last 2 centuries? 

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Where and when was this that you were at school and they taught you all this?

 

Before the French Mandate:

    1860 Civil War in Mount Lebanon:
        This conflict was primarily between Druze and Maronite Christians in Mount Lebanon. It resulted in significant violence, including massacres, leading to an estimated 10,000 Christian and at least 6,000 Druze deaths. This conflict prompted international intervention and led to the establishment of the Mutasarrifate of Mount Lebanon under Ottoman rule in 1861, where a Christian governor was appointed to ensure sectarian balance.
    Ottoman Rule and Sectarian Tensions:
        Under Ottoman control, Lebanon was part of a larger Syrian province. Sectarian tensions between different religious groups, particularly between Maronite Christians and Druze, were a constant undercurrent. These tensions were often exacerbated by local leadership disputes and external influences from the Ottoman authorities.

 

Despite the best efforts of the mandate, the problem was basically certain groups prioritisng their interests over national interest, just as this group does everywhere once it has the critical mass to do so.

[mokwit]

  On 12/27/2024 at 10:43 AM, Neeranam said:

Do you mean like Iran, who haven't started a war in the last 200 years?

I bet you can't say that about your country. 

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What about the period post Islamic revolution though? Not even by proxy, right? I mean they're not backing anybody or supplying drones/arms, right. Completely neutral, right?

[Bkk Brian]

  On 12/27/2024 at 10:43 AM, Neeranam said:

Do you mean like Iran, who haven't started a war in the last 200 years?

I bet you can't say that about your country. 

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False, just as well you claim to have me on ignore as it avoids having to face the truth and facts.

 

Iran Has Never Started a War?

https://www.aei.org/articles/iran-has-never-started-a-war/

 

Still sticking up for the axis of evil I see

[jayboy]

  On 12/27/2024 at 12:40 AM, Foxx said:

The author of the original Telegraph piece was Douglas Murray who was educated at Eton and Magdalen College, Oxford.  He was the founder of the right wing Centre for Social Cohesion, which later became part of the Henry Jackson Society.  He's a self-described neo-conservative.  Clearly a man of the people with a balanced perspective.  We should be hanging on his every word.

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The last two sentences suggest that we are being asked to dismiss Douglas Murray, or at least place him somewhere on the sidelines.But it's odd that it's implied his excellent education is somehow a point against him.The Henry Jackson Society is certainly conservative in its approach but it is far from being an extremist organization.

 

So it's not clear to me what the problem is with Murray though I suspect it's mainly because he has strong opinions, superbly articulated, with which many do not agree.So what? I see no particular virtue in being a "man of the people" - that's how George Galloway describes himself.Murray is hated by the Muslim Council of Britain but it's for debate whether that is a recommendation or the opposite.

[Lacessit]

  On 12/27/2024 at 7:05 AM, RocketDog said:

So true.

Models have become the norm in exploring scientific issues. The good models predict reality and the bad ones don't. But to say all models are false is simply ignorance.

But when pressed on such points the answer quickly becomes:

FAKE NEWS.

 

Go on, admit it L. You made up those pictures with colored pens.😃

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Art was by far my worst subject in college.

 

Models are predictions of what may happen. Some are quite close to what actually happens, others are not.

 

The laws of thermodynamics were formulated about 150 years ago, They are the drivers behind global warming and climate change.

 

Starting with Carnot (1796 - 1832 ), these laws were developed progressively by other science luminaries - Joule, Clausius, and Lord Kelvin.

 

Scientists have been attempting to overturn the laws of thermodynamics for the same 150 years. None have succeeded.

 

Deniers are welcome to try for themselves. It will be like monkeys typing out Encyclopedia Brittanica, someone might get lucky a billion years from now.

[mokwit]

  On 12/27/2024 at 11:42 AM, Lacessit said:

Deniers

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Sounds like you are a member of a cult.

 

Extrapolation to climate change via greenhouse gases involves all kinds of assumptions that are not the laws of thermodynamics.

[Lacessit]

  On 12/27/2024 at 11:44 AM, mokwit said:

Sounds like you are a member of a cult.

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A cult of reason, logic, and facts. Unfortunately, it is very small, and swamped by a majority of morons on social media.

[roo860]

  On 12/27/2024 at 11:44 AM, mokwit said:

Sounds like you are a member of a cult.

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I think you've spelt cult wrong 😁

[mokwit]

  On 12/27/2024 at 11:46 AM, Lacessit said:

A cult of reason, logic, and facts. Unfortunately, it is very small, and swamped by a majority of morons on social media.

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Did you ever formally study science? I would guess not as you seem to think scientific theory/current thinking can be chiselled into tablets of stone and posted an article summarising one paper as "proof" on the ice sheets without recognising that the authors were drawing on multiple theories to support their conclusions. Everyone else is a moron, however.

 

Extrapolation to climate change via greenhouse gases involves all kinds of assumptions and theories that are not the laws of thermodynamics.

 

As I said elsewhere, I did a Science degree, including use of statistics in data samples. My lecturers spent three years telling us NOT to trust the science.

 

 

[mokwit]

  On 12/27/2024 at 11:48 AM, roo860 said:

I think you've spelt cult wrong 😁

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If I had written 'you are a cult'

[Lacessit]

  On 12/27/2024 at 11:49 AM, mokwit said:

Did you ever formally study science? I would guess not as you seem to think scientific theory/current thinking can be chiselled into tablets of stone.

 

Extrapolation to climate change via greenhouse gases involves all kinds of assumptions and theories that are not the laws of thermodynamics.

 

As I said elsewhere, I did a Science degree, including use of statistics in data samples. My lecturers spent three years telling us NOT to trust the science.

 

 

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My degree is in chemistry. Physics was a mandatory part of the curriculum.

 

I understand thermodynamics has been dropped as a subject from quite a few science and engineering courses. Not because it is irrelevant, because it is too hard.

 

I said the laws of thermodynamics are the drivers of global warming and climate change. Show me your evidence they are not.

 

I agree there are some fields of science open to dispute. Thermodynamics is not one of them, neither is the physics of infra-red radiation being absorbed by the carbon dioxide molecule.

 

But hey, knock yourself out. If you can disprove the laws of thermodynamics, I'll nominate you for the Nobel Prize in Physics.

 

 

[captpkapoor]

One sentence in the article below riled me:-

"These figures reveal a stark shift: only 10% of the arrivals are EU nationals, while the majority come from countries like India, Nigeria, Pakistan, China, and Zimbabwe. Contrary to optimistic assumptions, most of these migrants are unlikely to contribute more in taxes than they take in public services, exacerbating pressures on housing, healthcare, and other resources. " 

 

The clubbing of educated Indians with the other sorry bunch of losers is completely unjustified. 

In most Western countries wherever they are present, Indians are among the most highly educated, and usually in the highest earning immigrant group.

[Lacessit]

  On 12/27/2024 at 12:27 PM, captpkapoor said:

One sentence in the article below riled me:-

"These figures reveal a stark shift: only 10% of the arrivals are EU nationals, while the majority come from countries like India, Nigeria, Pakistan, China, and Zimbabwe. Contrary to optimistic assumptions, most of these migrants are unlikely to contribute more in taxes than they take in public services, exacerbating pressures on housing, healthcare, and other resources. " 

 

The clubbing of educated Indians with the other sorry bunch of losers is completely unjustified. 

In most Western countries wherever they are present, Indians are among the most highly educated, and usually in the highest earning immigrant group.

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Perhaps you should also include China in your reclassification. Most of the ones I know in Australia are high income earners.

[Neeranam]

  On 12/27/2024 at 11:07 AM, mokwit said:

Where and when was this that you were at school and they taught you all this?

 

Before the French Mandate:

    1860 Civil War in Mount Lebanon:
        This conflict was primarily between Druze and Maronite Christians in Mount Lebanon. It resulted in significant violence, including massacres, leading to an estimated 10,000 Christian and at least 6,000 Druze deaths. This conflict prompted international intervention and led to the establishment of the Mutasarrifate of Mount Lebanon under Ottoman rule in 1861, where a Christian governor was appointed to ensure sectarian balance.
    Ottoman Rule and Sectarian Tensions:
        Under Ottoman control, Lebanon was part of a larger Syrian province. Sectarian tensions between different religious groups, particularly between Maronite Christians and Druze, were a constant undercurrent. These tensions were often exacerbated by local leadership disputes and external influences from the Ottoman authorities.

 

Despite the best efforts of the mandate, the problem was basically certain groups prioritisng their interests over national interest, just as this group does everywhere once it has the critical mass to do so.

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I went to decent 750 year old school that Lord Byron also went to. I studied history in 1981-1983, when the US occupation in Lebanon was happening. 

The French Mandate was responsible for causing sectarian divisions in Lebanon, particularly through the institutionalization of sectarian politics, the marginalization of Muslim communities, and the promotion of Christian dominance.

While the Ottoman Empire certainly faced challenges with sectarian tensions, the level of institutionalized sectarianism created by the French was unprecedented.

The French prioritized their political interests over national unity, exacerbating existing divisions and creating new ones. Therefore, the French Mandate was directly responsible for creating a political and social system that perpetuated sectarian conflicts, which still affect Lebanon today.

 

The French Mandate created divisions in Lebanon by favoring Christian communities, especially the Maronites, and giving them political advantages, which sowed the seeds for later sectarian tensions.

Lebanon gained independence from France in 1943, but sectarianism and external influences continued to shape the country.

 

 

 

[Neeranam]

  On 12/27/2024 at 11:08 AM, mokwit said:

What about the period post Islamic revolution though? Not even by proxy, right? I mean they're not backing anybody or supplying drones/arms, right. Completely neutral, right?

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They are allies of Hezbollah, and other resistance groups, if that's what you mean. 

As I stated, they have not started any war/conflict in 200 years. 

[Bkk Brian]

  On 12/27/2024 at 2:20 PM, Neeranam said:

They are allies of Hezbollah, and other resistance groups, if that's what you mean. 

As I stated, they have not started any war/conflict in 200 years. 

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Hezbollah are terrorists and Iran certainly has started wars and is officially a State Sponser of Terrorism, all you do is defend it. Stop spreading misinformation. Link already provided.

[RocketDog]

  On 12/27/2024 at 11:42 AM, Lacessit said:

Art was by far my worst subject in college.

 

Models are predictions of what may happen. Some are quite close to what actually happens, others are not.

 

The laws of thermodynamics were formulated about 150 years ago, They are the drivers behind global warming and climate change.

 

Starting with Carnot (1796 - 1832 ), these laws were developed progressively by other science luminaries - Joule, Clausius, and Lord Kelvin.

 

Scientists have been attempting to overturn the laws of thermodynamics for the same 150 years. None have succeeded.

 

Deniers are welcome to try for themselves. It will be like monkeys typing out Encyclopedia Brittanica, someone might get lucky a billion years from now.

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Indeed. If I witnessed what appeared to be an apparent act of magic, such as making an elephant disappear, I could choose to investigate how it happened while still keeping an open mind that it might really be magic until I could understand what happened.

 

OR I could just mutter 'fake news' and walk away convinced and smug in my knowledge which is actually no knowledge at all.

 

Personally I believe that the current backlash against all science is the result of people being woefully ignorant of any science. To save face they remain ignorant and obstructive to reality.

 

As an electronic engineer and microcircuit designer my whole career I could not afford to blithely decide what physics was true and what wasn't. Stupidity cannot be cured and the only cure for ignorance is knowledge. Science is the only source of understanding the world.

 

Everybody makes a choice; most today choose ignorance.

[Chomper Higgot]

  On 12/27/2024 at 2:50 AM, JonnyF said:

 

You can bet DEI quotas would be dropped when it came to reruiting soldiers for any conflicts. They'd have to be, because none of the cultural enrichers would put their hands up. 

 

Personally speaking, I would never fight for a government like Labour who views British working class patriotic people as worthy of derision.

 

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You’ve posted this photo a number of times Jonny.

 

Is it your gaff?