Very confused about E visa system

[Marcel Samson]

I just read a lot about the new E visa per 01-01-2025
I am married and i usually do a visarun to Savannakhet where i stay 1-2 nights
I made a appointment online
I not need financial requirements

Is this now all changed per 01-01-2025
Can i apply online while i am in Thailand??
Do i need financial requirements now?
I must wait 10-15 days .Can i wait in Thailand?
or must i go Laos and there wait 2 weeks?

Maybe somebody can explain step by step how i must do now
My Non-O /extension willexpires 28 february 2025
Must i apply E visa 2 weeks before
I had a accident and my knowledge and undersanding is worse

Thank you all
 

[DrJack54]

1 minute ago, Marcel Samson said:

Is this now all changed per 01-01-2025

Yes

 

2 minutes ago, Marcel Samson said:

Can i apply online while i am in Thailand?

Sadly (at this point) NO

 

3 minutes ago, Marcel Samson said:

I must wait 10-15 days .Can i wait in Thailand?

Since you apply while in Laos that would require 2 trips to Laos.

Also nobody knows process time at this point.

BTW are you asking about Multiple Entry non O marriage? 

 

Just one person's opinion.

I would skip idea of obtaining non O in Laos. 

An alternative is to apply for 12 month extension from your current permission of stay.

Has requirements. 

eg 2 month seasoning if 400k on date of application. 

[Marcel Samson]

Best mr Jack

I hope you can help me further
I have/apply only for a SINLGE entree NON-O Visa
You mentioned (as i am now in Thailand) that i can NOT apply E-Visa here in Thailand
Can i use a VPN?
Are there now financial requirmnets
If i apply online (in other country or use VPN) must i do that 2 week before?
Its very difficult for me to understand..sorry about that

If i not meet financaial requirements...is there another option like
Tourist Exempt Visa (which i fall in those countries)
But then i have to go also to another country?

Can i extend examplre a Exempt (visa) with 60 days based on visit my wife?
Thank you helping me
Sorry about my non knowledge of undertanding

[DrJack54]

30 minutes ago, Marcel Samson said:

Can i extend examplre a Exempt (visa) with 60 days based on visit my wife?

Just a suggestion...

You can obtain a 60 day extension to visit wife prior to your current permission of stay expiry.

At some point you can do border bounce without reentry permit and obtain a visa exempt entry stamp.

BTW that 60 can be extended by 60 days "to visit wife" as its a new entry.

These extensions to visit wife would be to buy time to organize financials.

 

From the visa exempt entry you can obtain a Non O marriage at local immigration office. Requires 400k in bank on day of application.

That will provide a 90 day stamp.

30 days prior to expiry and having the 400k in bank for 2 months you obtain a 12 month extension. 

 

After extension is granted you can use the 400k 

 

I see very little purpose in guys obtaining non O at nearby consulates/embassies.

Unless of course ME Non O is still available. 

Even then the financial requirements may make it redundant 

[Upnotover]

The e-visa system should not be confusing, but for you is very inconvenient for sure.

 

Yes you have  to apply in the country you are applying.  VPN won't help.

Yes, for a single entry non-O you will need 400k (or equal) in the bank, not necessarily a Thai bank.

They say the processing time is 10-15 days (Laos), if this is actually true nobody knows yet (anywhere else it is not).

 

If you have 400k then an in country extension of your current non-O would be the best.  But you need the money.

 

[Caldera]

2 hours ago, Marcel Samson said:

Can i use a VPN?

 

As things stand, you'll need to pay at the consulate (no online payment option).

 

They also want to see a picture of your Lao entry stamp as proof that you're in Laos at the time of application.

 

Their rules state that you need to stay in the country where you apply for the entire duration of the visa application process. They might or might not ask for further proof of your compliance with this.

 

Long story short, it doesn't look like a good option. 

[DrJack54]

9 minutes ago, Caldera said:

Long story short, it doesn't look like a good option. 

Has Zero appeal.

The OP could consider places such as Vietnam that have had eVisa in place.

This is for others eg OP.

Skip plan for Non O eVisa in Laos.

Outlined earlier 

 

In fact moving forward obtain non O in Thailand. Better option..

[Marcel Samson]

Thank you so far everybody
Sorry about my non knowledge of understanding

If i not meet the requirements for obtaining my visa in Thailand (400K)
then i have no choice to do a borderun to Cambodia where i can get a Visa Exempt
If i am informed well i get 60 days and i can get a extension of 60 day (visit wife)
So instead of a Non-O i get a Tourist visa
I will loose 1 month
I also need to stay 3 night in Cambodia according to Borderun agency
Costs 4000 baht incl Visa Cambodia
Then i have 4 month time to get the finance for obtaining again a Non -O
Hope i am correct about this

[Negita43]

what on earth is an e-visa (for Thailand) is it replacing the non o retirement extension?

[Phillip9]

3 minutes ago, Negita43 said:

what on earth is an e-visa (for Thailand) is it replacing the non o retirement extension?

No, not replacing extensions.  Evisa is used if you apply for a new visa outside of Thailand.

[DrJack54]

47 minutes ago, Marcel Samson said:

Thank you so far everybody
Sorry about my non knowledge of understanding

If i not meet the requirements for obtaining my visa in Thailand (400K)
then i have no choice to do a borderun to Cambodia where i can get a Visa Exempt
If i am informed well i get 60 days and i can get a extension of 60 day (visit wife)
So instead of a Non-O i get a Tourist visa
I will loose 1 month
I also need to stay 3 night in Cambodia according to Borderun agency
Costs 4000 baht incl Visa Cambodia
Then i have 4 month time to get the finance for obtaining again a Non -O
Hope i am correct about this

Normally I cut one or two sentences.

Your posts are over the shop.

Clearly state you status in Thailand along with financial situation.

Where is your location in Thailand? 

Also age.

Which immigration office? 

 

Edit: just answered your PM.

Your location is important for border bounce recommendations 

[Caldera]

53 minutes ago, Marcel Samson said:

I also need to stay 3 night in Cambodia according to Borderun agency
Costs 4000 baht incl Visa Cambodia

 

Unless that's a very recent development (which wouldn't completely surprise me, considering what has been reported from border crossings with Laos lately), same-day border runs to Cambodia should be possible when using a border run service, so it might be worth checking with a few other agencies.

 

What's your passport country and where in Thailand would you like to start the border bounce from?

[DrJack54]

3 minutes ago, Caldera said:

What's your passport country and where in Thailand would you like to start the border bounce from?

Critical information that has not been posted.

OP?

[Marcel Samson]

I am married
Stay now on a Non-O single entree
(No financial requirements BEFORE)
Netherlands / 64 years almost 65
I not have the financial requirements (400K)
Live with wife in Bangkok
thank you Jack and others
 

[DrJack54]

19 minutes ago, Marcel Samson said:

Netherlands / 64 years almost 65
I not have the financial requirements (400K)
Live with wife in Bangkok

State "live in Bangkok"

A border run to Cambodia using minivan company is an option if you run out of time.

As mentioned earlier 60 day extension to visit wife is available.

Ongoing you need to obtain  Non O and subsequent annual extensions.

The financial requirements are either 400k in bank ONLY for two months OR

monthly income of 40k per month.

Dutch folk can obtain "income letter" from Dutch embassy in Bangkok? 

 

[DrJack54]

50 minutes ago, Marcel Samson said:

I not have the financial requirements (400K)
Live with wife in Bangkok

I notice you had very similar issue back in May and started this thread.

To live ongoing in Thailand you need to be on annual extensions rather that a non O plus 60 day extension or visa exempt plus 60 day extension.

Since your embassy provides income letter for immigration don't understand why you are in this situation. 

You state in both threads that the financial requirements is the issue. ?

Seems more like poor planning. 

[Rob Browder]

On 12/30/2024 at 6:39 AM, Marcel Samson said:

I am married
Stay now on a Non-O single entree
(No financial requirements BEFORE)
Netherlands / 64 years almost 65
I not have the financial requirements (400K)
Live with wife in Bangkok
thank you Jack and others

Removing my original advise, as I now realize his entry is for marriage, so cannot do 1st 12-mo extension based on "retirement" - my bad.

[ndreamer]

On 12/29/2024 at 5:11 PM, Marcel Samson said:

Can i use a VPN?
 

Looking into this, the wording reads as it won't be processed until paid which requires cash and it's 10-15 Working Days (Not Days).


 

[DrJack54]

9 minutes ago, ndreamer said:

Looking into this, the wording reads as it won't be processed until paid which requires cash and it's 10-15 Working Days (Not Days).


 

More importantly it needs to be paid at Savannakhet consulate at this stage in person.

The time for processing is not clear.

 

Also the OP (absent) stated...

"I not have the financial requirements (400K)"

Don't really follow the strategy.

With no funds for 12 month extension he would be best off obtaining visa exempt entry 60 + 60 day extension to visit wife and sort out finances. 

Never understand issue with financial requirements for extensions based on marriage.

Such a basic requirement especially compared to retirement. 

[harryviking]

On 12/29/2024 at 5:11 PM, Marcel Samson said:

Best mr Jack

I hope you can help me further
I have/apply only for a SINLGE entree NON-O Visa
You mentioned (as i am now in Thailand) that i can NOT apply E-Visa here in Thailand
Can i use a VPN?
Are there now financial requirmnets
If i apply online (in other country or use VPN) must i do that 2 week before?
Its very difficult for me to understand..sorry about that

If i not meet financaial requirements...is there another option like
Tourist Exempt Visa (which i fall in those countries)
But then i have to go also to another country?

Can i extend examplre a Exempt (visa) with 60 days based on visit my wife?
Thank you helping me
Sorry about my non knowledge of undertanding

When it comes to financial requirements in Savanna khet, I had to show copy of bank book from Thailand. I do not know if that is the same now. This was one year ago. Now I have got the non-o in Thailand and will extend it to one year after 3 months. I will not waste more time going in and out of Thailand every year.

[DrJack54]

1 hour ago, harryviking said:

When it comes to financial requirements in Savanna khet, I had to show copy of bank book from Thailand. I do not know if that is the same now.

Obtaining visa at Laos consulates has ended..

It's all eVisa now and you need to apply while in Laos..

The process time uncertain.

[Denim]

On 12/29/2024 at 5:11 PM, Marcel Samson said:

Sorry about my non knowledge of undertanding

 

No need to apologise. Many people are confused by the new regulations and requirements.

 

As DrJack54  says :

 

 

I would skip idea of obtaining non O in Laos. 

An alternative is to apply for 12 month extension from your current permission of stay.

 

The days of easy and quick visa runs to Laos are over. It has no advantage over anywhere else.

[Olivier2565]

On 12/29/2024 at 4:42 PM, Marcel Samson said:

I just read a lot about the new E visa per 01-01-2025
I am married and i usually do a visarun to Savannakhet where i stay 1-2 nights
I made a appointment online
I not need financial requirements

Is this now all changed per 01-01-2025
Can i apply online while i am in Thailand??
Do i need financial requirements now?
I must wait 10-15 days .Can i wait in Thailand?
or must i go Laos and there wait 2 weeks?

Maybe somebody can explain step by step how i must do now
My Non-O /extension willexpires 28 february 2025
Must i apply E visa 2 weeks before
I had a accident and my knowledge and undersanding is worse

Thank you all
 

I am not yet up to this point, but my understanding from talking with immigration officers, is that if you already have a  non O visa, you go to your immigration office and simply renew it there. If you are living in a place with few foreigners, the immigration office will probably be very quiet, no queue, no over loaded officers, very relaxed atmosphere.

[Upnotover]

2 minutes ago, Olivier2565 said:

I am not yet up to this point, but my understanding from talking with immigration officers, is that if you already have a  non O visa, you go to your immigration office and simply renew it there. If you are living in a place with few foreigners, the immigration office will probably be very quiet, no queue, no over loaded officers, very relaxed atmosphere.

You don't "renew" your non-O, you extend your permission to stay.  But to do so you must meet the financial requirement.  The OP doesn't, hence the issue he has.

[DrJack54]

12 minutes ago, Olivier2565 said:

I am not yet up to this point, but my understanding from talking with immigration officers, is that if you already have a  non O visa, you go to your immigration office and simply renew it there.

Read post above this one.

What do you currently have. A Non O marriage that gave you a 90 day stamp? 

As mentioned above, the visa is not renewed.

 

Assuming you have a Non O marriage you need to prepare for obtaining a 12 month extension.

(It's not a visa). 

The extension process has requirements. 

[Mike80]

Let me get this straight. You CAN apply for your initial Non-O visa based on marriage at your local Immigration office within Thailand???  That's the first time I'm hearing this. I was always under the impression that you need to apply for your first Non-O visa from a Thai consulate abroad. 

 

 

[bigt3116]

51 minutes ago, Mike80 said:

Let me get this straight. You CAN apply for your initial Non-O visa based on marriage at your local Immigration office within Thailand???  That's the first time I'm hearing this. I was always under the impression that you need to apply for your first Non-O visa from a Thai consulate abroad. 

 

 

 

Yep, as long as you have the 400k on the day of application (2 months seasoning at Jomtien) and at least 15 days remaining on your current permission to stay (21 in Chaing Mai)

 

TM87 if you came visa exempt, TM86 if you came with a tourist visa

[DrJack54]

1 hour ago, Mike80 said:

Let me get this straight. You CAN apply for your initial Non-O visa based on marriage at your local Immigration office within Thailand?

Yes.

Process outlined in detail in this thread.

https://aseannow.com/topic/1315828-visa-exempt-to-90-day-non-o-spouse-visa-conversion-in-thailand/

[Mike80]

2 hours ago, bigt3116 said:

 

Yep, as long as you have the 400k on the day of application (2 months seasoning at Jomtien) and at least 15 days remaining on your current permission to stay (21 in Chaing Mai)

 

TM87 if you came visa exempt, TM86 if you came with a tourist visa

Thanks, Bigt3116! My 400K has been on my Thai account, untouched, for about 10 years now 😀, so I should be fine. 

 

 

1 hour ago, DrJack54 said:

Yes.

Process outlined in detail in this thread.

https://aseannow.com/topic/1315828-visa-exempt-to-90-day-non-o-spouse-visa-conversion-in-thailand/

Thanks, DrJack54! 

 

 

Thank you all for the great news!! I've stayed in Thailand for about 10 years on a Non-O visa, which I extent yearly. Due to my wife's overseas assignment I wasn't able to extend this year, left Thailand to join her overseas on the day my Non-O expired, and returned two months later on a visa exempt. I literally just found out (Jan 10) about the e-visa when I tried to book an appointment at the Thai consulate in Vientiane. It kinda freaked me out, as everything is so unclear. I thought I had to fly back home to apply for a Non-O visa.

 

Lets just hope Samut Prakan immigration office is willing to help.

[Dmitry2222]

On 12/29/2024 at 5:23 PM, Caldera said:

They also want to see a picture of your Lao entry stamp as proof that you're in Laos at the time of application.

Very surprised that prohibited to leave the Laos even on emergency reasons while visa application is processing.