Revenue Department boss calls on tax residents in Thailand to file 2024 returns by March 31

[chiang mai]

3 minutes ago, NoDisplayName said:

 

More than 299 billion baht has been remitted back home over the past two years by some 113,186 Thais working overseas, the Labour Ministry said recently.

https://www.nationthailand.com/thailand/general/40026706

 

That's a lotta billions, and a lot of that will all of a sudden become assessable.

1.7% of GDP, peanuts.

[oldcpu]

1 hour ago, DualSportBiker said:

So what it true?

 

Paw.161 stated any tax resident who is remitting assessable income into Thailand must take into account such income to calculate income tax. 

 

My understanding Paw.162 then goes on to clarify that that Paw.161 does NOT apply to remitted assessable income before 1-January-2024.

 

No where (edit: in paw.161.162) does it state everyone must file a tax return like you mistakenly (I believe) inferred. 

 

RATHER it adds information as to what is assessable income so to support the decision as to whether a tax return need be filed and whether such income needs to be reported (although that statement is a deduction from what Paw.161/162 state).

[chiang mai]

2 minutes ago, oldcpu said:

 

Paw.161 stated any tax resident who is remitting assessable income into Thailand must take into account such income to calculate income tax. 

 

My understanding Paw.162 then goes on to clarify that that Paw.161 does NOT apply to remitted assessable income before 1-January-2024.

 

No where does it state everyone must file a tax return like you mistakenly (I believe) stated. 

 

RATHER it adds information as to what is assessable income so to support the decision as to whether a tax return need be filed and whether such income needs to be reported (although that statement is a deduction from what Paw.161/162 state).

No where does it state everyone must file a tax return like you mistakenly (I believe) stated. 

 

The TRD Code makes clear who it wants to file a return.

[NoDisplayName]

9 minutes ago, samtam said:

I have never previously filed a tax return, and do not have a TIN, so need to apply before I can file, and I am informed my pink ID will not be the number used. Initially the filing will be in person, as agreed with the agent at Sathorn RD.

 

Call TRD helpline #1161 for clarification.

 

TINs are for humans without Thai identification numbers, or companies and juristic persons.  Your pink ID does have a Thai identification number, one which you use for tax filing.

 

The TRD person at Sathorn Rd is misinformed.

 

What's the need for an "expat desk", besides offering (hopefully!) English language support?  Many of us have visited TRD offices and filed in person just like ordinary Thai citizens.

[oldcpu]

5 minutes ago, chiang mai said:

The TRD Code makes clear who it wants to file a return.

Agreed.

 

i edited my previous post to clarify the context of what I typed.

 

< sigh > one tries  to be succinct and it leads to a different impression as to what was being intended.  Anyway - my post has  been edited.

[Neeranam]

27 minutes ago, chiang mai said:

 

In which case, he should sue, don't you think!!!

 

"The Director-General of the Revenue Department on Thursday called on taxpayers to file their end-of-year returns for 2024. This will be the first year that all foreign residents in Thailand are included".

 

https://www.thaiexaminer.com/thai-news-foreigners/2025/01/03/revenue-department-boss-calls-on-tax-residents-in-thailand-to-file-2024-runs-by-the-march-31st-deadline/

He never said the second part of your quote, all he did was call on taxpayers to file their taxes, the bit about foreigners was added by the Thaiexaminer reporter.  

[oldcpu]

19 minutes ago, chiang mai said:

No where does it state everyone must file a tax return like you mistakenly (I believe) stated. 

 

The TRD Code makes clear who it wants to file a return.

Note i edited my post ... and you also ADDED IN AN EDIT OF YOUR OWN and you quoted and typed in bold (before my edit complete).

 

I was specifically referring to 161 and 162, and I edited my post so others like yourself won't have the wrong impression as to what i was posting

[Neeranam]

5 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

He never said the second part of your quote, all he did was call on taxpayers to file their taxes, the bit about foreigners was added by the Thaiexaminer reporter.  

Here's is the Thai original which doesn't mention foreigners, as I previously mentioned. 

 

https://thainews-prd-go-th.translate.goog/thainews/news/view/805643/?bid=1&_x_tr_sl=th&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=sc&_x_tr_hist=true

[chiang mai]

1 minute ago, Neeranam said:

He never said the second part of your quote, all he did was call on taxpayers to file their taxes, the bit about foreigners was added by the Thaiexaminer reporter.  

The second part of the statement uses journalistic license but is broadly correct. The reader is meant to understand that it refers to tax residents, not merely "residents" and that "all" refers to those who have assessable income etc etc. Look, it's an article in the Thai Examiner, written in a second language, readers are meant to be able to understand that it's not a precise legal document! There's enough information there to raise the readers curiosity and for them then go to specialised tax accountancy web sites, to the TRD offices in person and seek clarification via social media threads such as this one.

 

Please don't try and go down the route of suggesting that the Director General doesn't really want any of us to file tax returns, I don't think I could stand it and neither could the membership.

[Neeranam]

4 minutes ago, chiang mai said:

The second part of the statement uses journalistic license but is broadly correct. The reader is meant to understand that it refers to tax residents, not merely "residents" and that "all" refers to those who have assessable income etc etc. Look, it's an article in the Thai Examiner, written in a second language, readers are meant to be able to understand that it's not a precise legal document! There's enough information there to raise the readers curiosity and for them then go to specialised tax accountancy web sites, to the TRD offices in person and seek clarification via social media threads such as this one.

 

Please don't try and go down the route of suggesting that the Director General doesn't really want any of us to file tax returns, I don't think I could stand it and neither could the membership.

It is totally fabricated for reasons mentioned before by an Irish guy! Totally misleading, implying that the head of the Tax Dept mentioned anything about foreigners! 

 

Here is the original, translated to English. 

https://thainews.prd.go.th/_next/image/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fnnt-storage-thainews.prd.go.th%2Fmedia-news%2Fraw%2F2025%2F01%2F02%2F5102b0dfdae8f35a93cc0c9bef027df0.jpg&w=3840&q=75

Mr. Pinsai Suraswadi, Director-General of the Revenue Department, said that taxpayers can submit forms Por.Ngor.Dor. 90 and Por.Ngor.Dor. 91 for the 2024 tax year electronically. They can submit the forms on the Revenue Department website www.rd.go.th and the RD Smart Tax application, which is convenient and available 24 hours a day, and will allow taxpayers to enter the tax refund consideration process more quickly. 

 

In the case of filing via the Revenue Department website, you can file via the e-filing system and the D-MyTax (Digital MyTax) system, which is a system that improves service by combining various tax service systems. You can file electronically from today until April 8, 2025. If you file by paper, you can file until March 31, 2025. 

 

The Director-General of the Revenue Department added that the Revenue Department prioritizes new entrepreneurs who operate businesses in the form of individuals, especially online sales (e-commerce). When income reaches the criteria set by law, they are required to file forms. Performing tax duties correctly not only helps reduce the burden of fines and surcharges, but also supports national development.

 

Using the tax deduction right will help taxpayers get the full benefit. For those who have to pay tax of 3,000 baht or more, they can request to pay the tax in 3 installments. Those who have questions can ask for more information at any Revenue Department office nationwide or at the Revenue Department Intelligence Center (RD Intelligence Center) at 1161.

 

[JimGant]

53 minutes ago, The Cyclist said:

Do you need to take the fifth on that ?

I guess I do, since I'm not sure what this has to do with how remittance income reporting has any impact on CRS reporting.... since 99% of the OECD reporting world in the CRS system does not consider remittances. So, if Thailand joins the rest of the world, by ignoring the remittance aspect of income -- just what will change? If something will -- then I'll give a nod to your position that income remittances are currently a player. I won't hold my breath, however, that your reply will resonate with reality.

[chiang mai]

1 minute ago, Neeranam said:

It is totally fabricated for reasons mentioned before by an Irish guy!  

Here is the original, translated to English. 

https://thainews.prd.go.th/_next/image/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fnnt-storage-thainews.prd.go.th%2Fmedia-news%2Fraw%2F2025%2F01%2F02%2F5102b0dfdae8f35a93cc0c9bef027df0.jpg&w=3840&q=75

Mr. Pinsai Suraswadi, Director-General of the Revenue Department, said that taxpayers can submit forms Por.Ngor.Dor. 90 and Por.Ngor.Dor. 91 for the 2024 tax year electronically. They can submit the forms on the Revenue Department website www.rd.go.th and the RD Smart Tax application, which is convenient and available 24 hours a day, and will allow taxpayers to enter the tax refund consideration process more quickly. 

 

In the case of filing via the Revenue Department website, you can file via the e-filing system and the D-MyTax (Digital MyTax) system, which is a system that improves service by combining various tax service systems. You can file electronically from today until April 8, 2025. If you file by paper, you can file until March 31, 2025. 

 

The Director-General of the Revenue Department added that the Revenue Department prioritizes new entrepreneurs who operate businesses in the form of individuals, especially online sales (e-commerce). When income reaches the criteria set by law, they are required to file forms. Performing tax duties correctly not only helps reduce the burden of fines and surcharges, but also supports national development.

 

Using the tax deduction right will help taxpayers get the full benefit. For those who have to pay tax of 3,000 baht or more, they can request to pay the tax in 3 installments. Those who have questions can ask for more information at any Revenue Department office nationwide or at the Revenue Department Intelligence Center (RD Intelligence Center) at 1161.

 

Neeranam, does your mum know you're not in your room! 

[The Cyclist]

3 minutes ago, JimGant said:

I guess I do, since I'm not sure what this has to do with how remittance income reporting has any impact on CRS reporting

 

I asked you a question on tax filing, not CRS.

 

[EVENKEEL]

4 hours ago, Neeranam said:

The whole farce was started by foreign media sources and illegal tax agents looking to scam naive old age pensioners, best just to forget about it until immigration say you need some kind of tax clearance. 

That's solid advice. Problem here is there are a couple retired office personnel who thrive on this non news. 

[Yumthai]

5 minutes ago, chiang mai said:

Please don't try and go down the route of suggesting that the Director General doesn't really want any of us to file tax returns, I don't think I could stand it and neither could the membership.

Ditto. From now on everyone please do not be contrarian with CM. Health matters first.

[chiang mai]

3 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

That's solid advice. Problem here is there are a couple retired office personnel who thrive on this non news. 

The troll thread EK is over in the pub, your confused again!

[chiang mai]

1 minute ago, Yumthai said:

Ditto. From now on everyone please do not be contrarian with CM. Health matters first.

You too, the Pub is where you need to be and preferably not one with alcohol

[Neeranam]

12 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Pinsai Suraswadi, Director-General of the Revenue Department, said that taxpayers can submit forms Por.Ngor.Dor. 90 and Por.Ngor.Dor. 91 for the 2024 tax year electronically. 

What masks it even mote misleading is that he said 'taxpayers' , not 'tax residents' . 

[JimGant]

7 minutes ago, The Cyclist said:

I asked you a question on tax filing, not CRS.

Which was bizarre, since the subject at hand is the requirement for remittance reporting to adhere to CRS reporting requirements. There's already enough thread creep here -- but if you really want some more, then I'll explore "resident alien" in the US and how it pertains to CRS reporting. Should be interesting.

[chiang mai]

2 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

What masks it even mote misleading is that he said 'taxpayers' , not 'tax residents' . 

Legal Definition

taxpayer. noun. tax·pay·er. : a person (as an individual or corporation) that pays or is liable for a tax.

[Yumthai]

4 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

What masks it even mote misleading is that he said 'taxpayers' , not 'tax residents' . 

Maybe because non tax residents with local income should declare and pay tax too.

[EVENKEEL]

6 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

What masks it even mote misleading is that he said 'taxpayers' , not 'tax residents' . 

Thank you for throughly explaining what was actually written. It's a shame we have a few posters who continue spreading false info which borders on illegal tax advice.

[beammeup]

Is there anything at all new here? I really dont have time to sift through 25 pages of bickering if not.

[chiang mai]

1 minute ago, beammeup said:

Is there anything at all new here? I really dont have time to sift through 25 pages of bickering if not.

Nope, there's some third rate trolling but nothing new relevant to tax, you can safely move on.

[The Cyclist]

5 minutes ago, JimGant said:

Which was bizarre, since the subject at hand is the requirement for remittance reporting to adhere to CRS reporting requirements. There's already enough thread creep here -- but if you really want some more, then I'll explore "resident alien" in the US and how it pertains to CRS reporting. Should be interesting.

 

I never mentioned CRS. I asked you a simple question.

 

If I was a retiree resident alien in the US, would I need to file a tax return in the US. You dont need to explore it, I already know the answer.

 

The question I am asking you. Is what you have against Thailand doing what the US already does.

 

Furthermore, to cut out your whataboutery

 

Show me in any DTA with Thailand that says an income of any type or description is not reportable if it is remitted to Thailand, should a Thai Government Agency request / mandate it.

[Mutt Daeng]

1 hour ago, NoDisplayName said:

1 hour ago, samtam said:

I have never previously filed a tax return, and do not have a TIN, so need to apply before I can file, and I am informed my pink ID will not be the number used. Initially the filing will be in person, as agreed with the agent at Sathorn RD.

 

Call TRD helpline #1161 for clarification.

 

TINs are for humans without Thai identification numbers, or companies and juristic persons.  Your pink ID does have a Thai identification number, one which you use for tax filing.

 

The TRD person at Sathorn Rd is misinformed.

 

What's the need for an "expat desk", besides offering (hopefully!) English language support?  Many of us have visited TRD offices and filed in person just like ordinary Thai citizens.

My TIN is different to my Pink ID/YTB number, even though I presented my Pink ID card and YTB wen I applied. I even attached copies to my application form.

My Pink ID number starts with a 6 but my TIN starts with a 0 (Zero)

Here is a discussion about TIN numbers NOT always being the same as the Pink ID numbers .  

 

[Neeranam]

31 minutes ago, chiang mai said:

Legal Definition

taxpayer. noun. tax·pay·er. : a person (as an individual or corporation) that pays or is liable for a tax.

Has it sunk in yet, after reading the original article in Thai  that the head of the Tax Dept said nothing about foreigners?  It was added as click bait, which seems to have worked for the gullible here getting their knickers in a twist about nothing. 

Jeez, it's not rocket science. 

 

[chiang mai]

Just now, Neeranam said:

Has it sunk in yet, after reading the original article in Thai  that the head of the Tax Dept said nothing about foreigners?  It was added as click bait, which seems to have worked for the gullible here getting their knickers in a twist about nothing. 

Jeez, it's not rocket science. 

 

Sure I understand that, as I said earlier, it was journalistic license in a country where English is not the first language. But it doesn't change anything, do you really think the head of the Revenue doesn't want all taxpayers to file a return, including tax resident foreigners? Because if you do, you have an argument that you need to explain why. If you think he doesn't want that, you're just blowing air.

[oldcpu]

43 minutes ago, Mutt Daeng said:

My TIN is different to my Pink ID/YTB number, even though I presented my Pink ID card and YTB wen I applied. I even attached copies to my application form.

 

Thanks.  May I ask, in what province did you apply for your TIN ? 

[StayinThailand2much]

3 hours ago, Jonathan Swift said:

For what it's worth, I confirmed that immigration will not get involved in requiring a tax return for each visa extension. I also consulted with a local tax professional and was told that persons with exempt income such as US Social Security don't have to file. 

 

So, it's all about the banks requiring one's info? I doubt that the Revenue Department will contact expats, unless they have a business in Thailand...