Palisades Fire in LA has zero containment

[impulse]

What happened to the good old days when you worked for the gub'ment for the job security and the perks, even though it paid less than the private sector?

 

Quiñones took the top job at LADWP in May 2024, landing a salary of $750,000, according to local outlet ABC7.

 

LADWP Load Dispatcher Mark Chambers took home a whopping $857,458 in total compensation — which includes salary, overtime and other pay— in 2023,

 

...fellow load dispatcher Kenneth McCrank made nearly $787,000 that same year, according to OpenTheBooks.

 

Gary Carivau, an electrical services manager for LADWP, raked in more than $782,000 in 2023.

 

Elsewhere in the department, electric distribution mechanic William Santana made $763,675 in 2023,

 

...followed closely by LADWP Senior Electrical Repair Supervisor Jason Contreras and his $763,195 in compensation for the same year, according to OpenTheBooks.

 

Gregory Martin — an electric distribution mechanic supervisor for the department — took home just over $740,000 in 2023, according to OpenTheBooks.

 

LADWP Labor Supervisor Brad Weller rounded out the top ten list by making $606,095 in 2023.

 

So there's no water at the fire hydrants while these gub'ment knobs are making around 3/4 of a million $$$ a year...

 

LA Water And Power Officials Rake In Fat Salaries As Fire Hydrants Run Dry | The Daily Caller

 

 

 

 

[illisdean]

8 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

 

Surplus equipment that was replaced by more efficient and more effective apparatus. 

What's your issue? Would youlike the state tokeep  obsolete equipment that can't do the job as effectively as the new equipment that requires fewer personnel to operate? It is called an effective use of resources.

 

The problem is, that the woke DEI and pronoun child sex gender bashing baby killing abortionists obsessed Newsom and his liberal world of buffoonery despite boasting about having the 5th largest economy in the world can’t find water to fill the lines that supply the fire hydrants, so yeah, that is the ISSUE, the fire equipment was useless when there is no water to fight the fire. You should ask Newsom where is the water that goes into supplying the hydrants for fire suppression in one of the wealthiest economies in the world If you can’t see the issue here than thats your total loss ignorance and just perfectly in line with the failure propagated 24/7 by your liberal misfits and also the reason Trump LANDSLIDED them Nov 5th.

Happy now, if not, go watch the woke DEI obsessed liberal muppets fight fires in LA Co. with empty fire hydrants after Trump warned them in 2018 and again on the campaign trail in September but they’re too daft and to busy giving free transgender surgeries to prisoners to do whats right.Now what are they going to do? CA, and LA county is going to burn because of liberal incompetence. 

 

 

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3 minutes ago, illisdean said:

The problem is, that the woke DEI and pronoun child sex gender bashing baby killing abortionists obsessed Newsom and his liberal world of buffoonery despite boasting about having the 5th largest economy in the world can’t find water to fill the lines that supply the fire hydrants, so yeah, that is the ISSUE, the fire equipment was useless when there is no water to fight the fire. You should ask Newsom where is the water that goes into supplying the hydrants for fire suppression in one of the wealthiest economies in the world If you can’t see the issue here than thats your total loss ignorance and just perfectly in line with the failure propagated 24/7 by your liberal misfits and also the reason Trump LANDSLIDED them Nov 5th.

Happy now, if not, go watch the woke DEI obsessed liberal muppets fight fires in LA Co. with empty fire hydrants after Trump warned them in 2018 and again on the campaign trail in September but they’re too daft and to busy giving free transgender surgeries to prisoners to do whats right.Now what are they going to do? CA, and LA county is going to burn because of liberal incompetence. 

 

 

Once again the claim of a landslide. Not surprising that Trump gets such  strong support from someone who believes that a candidate who got less than 50% of the vote was elected by a landslide. 

 

 

[EVENKEEL]

8 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

 

More lies and dishonesty from Trump. Maintaining an aquatic ecosystem was also about replenishing the aquifer and  responding to the demands of homeowners and recreational uses. The water was being used to meet the basic needs of citizens. NYPost offered its biased interpretation.

 

You left out the most ignorant part of the article;

Trump has long supported diverting supply from California’s main water hub, the Sacramento-San Joaquin River Delta, to farmers who have sturggled with repeated droughts.

 

The farmers have wasted the water on crops unsuitable for the region. They have been told for decades that the crops need to be changed to  vegetation appropriate for  drought prone regions. The agricultural  corporations  have fought against that and instead want water diverted from millions of residents to support their profit making enterprises.P hey refuse to cover water routes which see large amounts of the water lost to evaporation. The large companies profits benefit large multinationals and not the millions of people who live in California.

I've got 20 acres in Ca. where too many grape vineyards planted are depleting the ground water. I had to upgrade my submersible pump and drop it another 20ft. $8 K USD it cost me.

[illisdean]

8 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

 

Surplus equipment that was replaced by more efficient and more effective apparatus. 

What's your issue? Would youlike the state tokeep  obsolete equipment that can't do the job as effectively as the new equipment that requires fewer personnel to operate? It is called an effective use of resources.

 

Here's an issue for you to consider: Here's feckless Newsom's comments on locals getting their own water....Hows that for an issue of pronounced failure and no hope for his constituents! Great governor as he watches LA county turn to ashes ...albeit failed,  useless as hip pockets on a hound dog.

 

MASSIVE liberal failure, and totally expected and unsurprising. You must be proud of these achievers who consistently screw EVERYTHING up 24/7 even after Trump counseled them to proactively seek solutions but they ignored him. LOL. Can woke liberals in America get any more dumb than this! Liberal leadership nonexistent it seems in face of a crisis. This is where the big boys, Team Trump, et al enter the equations to bring solutions to liberal destruction fixing their never ending dumpster fires.

 

Get your own water....WOW!

 

 

[Patong2021]

5 minutes ago, illisdean said:

Here's an issue for you to consider: Here's feckless Newsom's comments on locals getting their own water....Hows that for an issue of pronounced failure and no hope for his constituents! Great governor as he watches LA county turn to ashes ...albeit failed,  useless as hip pockets on a hound dog.

 

MASSIVE liberal failure, and totally expected and unsurprising. You must be proud of these achievers who consistently screw EVERYTHING up 24/7 even after Trump counseled them to proactively seek solutions but they ignored him. LOLCan woke liberals in America get any more dumb than this!

 

Get your own water....WOW!

 

 

 

Instead of looking for a convenient excuse,  for someone to blame, listen to what he said.

It was logical. The water system is not built for this type of event. It would have been imnpossible to have a water supply system that would respond as it would have required a  water reservoir on every block with  pumping infrastructure. Where would you get the.  billions of $$ to pay for that when the lcoals are already compaining about tax levels.

 

Yes, the local CalFire chiefs are going to have to come up with a plan to supplement  the water supply. The Governor is not an engineer, nor is he a trained fire suppression professional. The fire department will tell the state what it needs and how they think they can  solve the problem.

This is called letting people do their job without  getting in the way.

 

The California fires are a human tragedy. Pointing your finger and trying to score political points serves no purpose.  

[illisdean]

2 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

 

Instead of looking for a convenient excuse,  for someone to blame, listen to what he said.

It was logical. The water system is not built for this type of event. It would have been imnpossible to have a water supply system that would respond as it would have required a  water reservoir on every block with  pumping infrastructure. Where would you get the.  billions of $$ to pay for that when the lcoals are already compaining about tax levels.

 

Yes, the local CalFire chiefs are going to have to come up with a plan to supplement  the water supply. The Governor is not an engineer, nor is he a trained fire suppression professional. The fire department will tell the state what it needs and how they think they can  solve the problem.

This is called letting people do their job without  getting in the way.

 

The California fires are a human tragedy. Pointing your finger and trying to score political points serves no purpose.  

Having dry fire hydrants in the wealthiest state know for forest fires and being in the top 5 economies in the world but cannot manage proper fire control measures, as in NO WATER in the fire hydrants, BUT instead offer free haven to illegal aliens seeking state funded transgender surgeries in prison. U need your head examined.

[illisdean]

1 minute ago, illisdean said:

Having dry fire hydrants in the wealthiest state know for forest fires

Here ya go. listen to this DEI hire with a salary of $750K/annum explain it for you. $750K / year! LOL...

 

 

 

[illisdean]

16 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

This is called letting people do their job without  getting in the way.

The liberals are too woke, too obsessed with wreaking havoc in America and should take some advise from those who know what the hell they're talking about. No excuse, your dearly beloved woke liberals are epic failures and NEVER learn. Thats why they lost the election. They are far to stupid to figure it out and cannot win elections unless they cheat.

 

 

[illisdean]

6 minutes ago, illisdean said:

The liberals are too woke, too obsessed with wreaking havoc in America and should take some advise from those who know what the hell they're talking about.

Here ya go, have a listen. U need to get better and more factual news and stop being brainwashed by the MSNBC club of liars, regime activists and gaslighters. They got you duped, so time to get it right dude.

 

 

[riclag]

How hard is it to use the Pacific  ocean’s water shed for fire management!

Any engineers out there !

[illisdean]

4 minutes ago, riclag said:

How hard is it to use the Pacific  ocean’s water shed for fire management!

Any engineers out there !

stop sending, draining it to the sea and look into constructing massive 60"OD high pressure buried pipelines transporting fresh water from Canada to water starved CA, BUT do not EVER let the fire hydrants go dry! Thats just liberal stupidity at its finest.

[illisdean]

12 minutes ago, riclag said:

How hard is it to use the Pacific  ocean’s water shed for fire management!

Any engineers out there !

Had something to do with protecting this species of fish, I think they are smelts, and now LA county is burning to the ground due to inaction by woke liberal losers.

 

[illisdean]

14 minutes ago, riclag said:

How hard is it to use the Pacific  ocean’s water shed for fire management!

Any engineers out there !

Maybe some corruption going on with the water resource management or lack thereof.

 

 

[illisdean]

6 hours ago, RubenRemus said:

People want low taxes, and this is what happens when public services do not receive investment. How much tax are YOU paying in California? 

What, do you think politicians are sitting around thinking how can we starve the FIRE DEPARTMENT? It's the only public entity most people are happy to see!

Corruption

[illisdean]

43 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

The California fires are a human tragedy. Pointing your finger and trying to score political points serves no purpose. 

Well here's your idol Biden sharing his good news with the 1000 or so families who have no home to go to an have lost everything in the LA wildfires. In all fairness though, Biden is far too demented now to be held responsible for his actions, otherwise he would be in the throws of being indicted for espionage for stealing and selling classified documents.

 

 

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29 minutes ago, riclag said:

How hard is it to use the Pacific  ocean’s water shed for fire management!

Any engineers out there !

What exactly do you mean by "the Pacific ocean's water shed"?

I'm guessing you mean "watershed"

Here's definition of that: 

an area or ridge of land that separates waters flowing to different rivers, basins, or seas

[mogandave]

6 hours ago, RubenRemus said:

People want low taxes, and this is what happens when public services do not receive investment. How much tax are YOU paying in California? 

What, do you think politicians are sitting around thinking how can we starve the FIRE DEPARTMENT? It's the only public entity most people are happy to see!

Highest personal income taxes in the country 

 

Highest energy taxes in the country 

 

High sales taxes 

 

High property taxes 

[mogandave]

1 hour ago, Patong2021 said:

 

Instead of looking for a convenient excuse,  for someone to blame, listen to what he said.

It was logical. The water system is not built for this type of event. It would have been imnpossible to have a water supply system that would respond as it would have required a  water reservoir on every block with  pumping infrastructure. Where would you get the.  billions of $$ to pay for that when the lcoals are already compaining about tax levels.

 

Yes, the local CalFire chiefs are going to have to come up with a plan to supplement  the water supply. The Governor is not an engineer, nor is he a trained fire suppression professional. The fire department will tell the state what it needs and how they think they can  solve the problem.

This is called letting people do their job without  getting in the way.

 

The California fires are a human tragedy. Pointing your finger and trying to score political points serves no purpose.  

So why did he cancel water storage projects and demolish dams?

[Airalee]

7 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

Unfortunately, California has to care for a lot of homeless and mentally ill people who are from out of state.  These people flock to California because services are not available in their home states.

Hilarious.

 

I’m guessing you haven’t been to California and seen the homeless.

 

And to say that they are flocking to California for social services is absolutely ridiculous….no….it’s just plain dishonest.  

[riclag]

27 minutes ago, Airalee said:

Hilarious.

 

I’m guessing you haven’t been to California and seen the homeless.

 

And to say that they are flocking to California for social services is absolutely ridiculous….no….it’s just plain dishonest.  

Newsoms economy is the 5th largest in the world.Surly he could of run water from the Pacific Ocean to nearby fire riddled areas.Santa Anna winds ,dry brush  and The Ocean have been around for ages.

https://www.ppic.org/publication/californias-economy/#:~:text=In 2023%2C California's gross domestic,China%2C Germany%2C and Japan.

[NickyLouie]

This is why it happened 

 

 

 

[Airalee]

1 hour ago, riclag said:

Newsoms economy is the 5th largest in the world.Surly he could of run water from the Pacific Ocean to nearby fire riddled areas.Santa Anna winds ,dry brush  and The Ocean have been around for ages.

https://www.ppic.org/publication/californias-economy/#:~:text=In 2023%2C California's gross domestic,China%2C Germany%2C and Japan.

And that economy can provide unemployment benefits, family leave benefits and all other kinds of benefits for undocumented (a.k.a. Illegal) immigrants.

 

 

“We provide benefits and resources for California workers. Disability Insurance (DI) and Paid Family Leave (PFL) benefits provide partial pay when you need time off work for your own disability or family leave.

If you are an undocumented worker in California, you can apply for DI and PFL benefits, even if you do not have a Social Security number (SSN).

It doesn’t matter what your citizenship or immigration status is; DI and PFL benefits will not affect your path to citizenship. Your information will be kept confidential.”

 

https://edd.ca.gov/en/disability/undocumented_workers/
 

California becomes first state to offer health insurance to all undocumented immigrants
 

“In 2015, undocumented children were able to join Medi-Cal under a bill signed by then-Gov. Jerry Brown. In 2019, Gov. Gavin Newsom signed into law an expansion of full-scope Medi-Cal access for young adults ages 19 through 25, regardless of citizenship or immigration status. Access was then further expanded to allow older adults aged 50 and olderto receive full benefits, also regardless of immigration status.

The final expansion going into effect Jan. 1 will make approximately 700,000 undocumented residents between ages 26 and 49 eligible for full coverage, according to California State Sen. María Elena Durazo.“

 

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/california-1st-state-offer-health-insurance-undocumented-immigrants/story?id=105986377
 

Ya think they’ll ever pay that money back?  
 

Nope.

[Airalee]

1 hour ago, NickyLouie said:

This is why it happened 

 

 

 

And then there is the mayor.  The head of department of water and power.  Heads of department of transportation. Head of the department of public social services.  Head of the Department of Public health.

 

I’m seeing a pattern here.

 

 

[NickyLouie]

10 minutes ago, Airalee said:

And then there is the mayor.  The head of department of water and power.  Heads of department of transportation. Head of the department of public social services.  Head of the Department of Public health.

 

I’m seeing a pattern here.

 

 

 

Liberal Democrats 

 

 

 

[Patong2021]

3 hours ago, illisdean said:

Having dry fire hydrants in the wealthiest state know for forest fires and being in the top 5 economies in the world but cannot manage proper fire control measures, as in NO WATER in the fire hydrants, BUT instead offer free haven to illegal aliens seeking state funded transgender surgeries in prison. U need your head examined.

The fire hydrants were not dry. They delivered water as intended. Go back and take a basic physics course. You cannot  maintain water pressure if all the hydrants are in use and the size of teh pipes limits the amount of water that can be transported.

[Patong2021]

1 hour ago, riclag said:

Newsoms economy is the 5th largest in the world.Surly he could of run water from the Pacific Ocean to nearby fire riddled areas.Santa Anna winds ,dry brush  and The Ocean have been around for ages.

https://www.ppic.org/publication/californias-economy/#:~:text=In 2023%2C California's gross domestic,China%2C Germany%2C and Japan.

 

Get back to us when you have the engineering worked out and  have a mitigation plan in place to address the contamination and destruction of the land that will result when it is soaked with salt water. 

Perhaps if you had a basic education you would understand this. Salting land destroys the local ecosystem, causes building problems, pollutes the water table and corrodes infrastructure, but sure go right ahead with your brilliant plan.

[Patong2021]

2 hours ago, mogandave said:

So why did he cancel water storage projects and demolish dams?

 

He didn't demolish dams.  There hasn't been anything done by the state in years.   4 dams were removed because they were illegal and  encroached on  native sovereign land and negatively impacted the people who lived on the land. Ever hear of the rule of law?  The state was at the losing end because they lost the court cases.

 

Most of the dams removed over the past 20 years were at the end of their  useful lives  and were  not used for water  storage. They often were  1-4 feet in height. Some were removed because they were at risk of  collapse and had already been replaced in other areas. Only a handful were used for water storage and that was specific to vineyards, or  manufacturing use. These   dams prevented others from free access to the water.

 

You can only have a number of dams on a river  before you turn it into a dead zone. You do know that people sued to prevent that don't you?  California has more than enough dams. 

 

Agriculture, and recreational use are the two largest consumers of the water. You go tell the powerful farm lobby not to grow almons and see what they do.

[Patong2021]

2 hours ago, mogandave said:

Highest personal income taxes in the country 

 

Highest energy taxes in the country 

 

High sales taxes 

 

High property taxes 

One of the best state educational systems in the USA

One of the best health care systems in the USA

Some of the best social services in the USA

Some of the best municipal services in the USA

 

Sure, California could cut taxes, but then it would be like Louisiana or Mississippi with high rates of illiteracy, low wages, poor education, high infant mortality and reduced life spans.

[Airalee]

It’s a good thing that California has the FAIR plan for fire insurance. 😅

 

Roach gave rare insight into the dire finances of the FAIR Plan, which does not routinely make financial information public unlike counterparts in other states. The FAIR Plan has a $200 million surplus and $2.5 billion in reinsurance, which is a type of insurance for insurers, to pay claims after a catastrophic wildfire.

But Roach warned the program could face $6 billion in claims if the state experienced a wildfire as damaging as the 2018 Camp Fire, which destroyed 18,000 buildings and killed 85 people. When the FAIR Plan drained its reserves, it would have to impose assessments, potentially of up to $3.3 billion.

“We’re like one bad fire away from complete insolvency,” Assemblymember Jim Wood, a Democrat from northern California, said to Roach. “If this were on Wall Street, I’m not sure you could get away with this.”

 

https://www.eenews.net/articles/californias-insurer-of-last-resort-is-a-ticking-time-bomb/
 

BOOM!