Photos of destruction as a result of the incompetent world leader & his party

[Lacessit]

1 hour ago, Tippaporn said:

 

You must understand, Lacessit, that it's a fact for you.  But not for everyone.  There are scientists who strongly disagree and have made quite rational arguments countering climate change claims.  And I should be very specific and say "human induced" climate change, for no one disagrees with the fact that the climate is in constant flux.

 

As long as there is contentious debate then, to be fair, no side gets to claim their theories are fact.  Until such time as there is definitive proof  beyond a reasonable doubt then, sorry to say, it's all in the realm of belief.  It's not to say, though, that your belief cannot be true.  But until proven conclusively it is considered belief.  Perhaps one day you'll be vindicated and you'll get to say, "I told you so."  Until then, show respect for others who believe otherwise, for whatever reasons.  You cannot fairly disparage them as long as doubts remain.

 

One point I'd like to raise with you, and other human induced climate change proponents, is the aspect of honesty.  For those who believe in human induced climate change are quick to throw out the "95% of scientists agree" argument, as even that percentage has been up for debate.  The true percentage aside, it's a dishonest argument for one solid reason:  it's a well known logical fallacy.

 

The ad populum fallacy is a logical fallacy that occurs when someone claims something is true because many people believe it is. It's also known as the bandwagon fallacy, appeal to popularity, or appeal to numbers.

 

Put simply, it is the fallacy in which it is argued that consensus equates to truth.  It's a blatant falsity.

 

I'd be very wary about using false arguments to simply bolster your position.  That risks credibility.  For if one is willing to use a known false argument once then the question naturally begs, what other false arguments are being used.  If too many false arguments are used then your credibility is lost forever.  Just a word of fair warning.

You could equally say the argument ad vericundiam, or appeal to authority, is also a logical fallacy. You'd be right in both cases.

 

The 900 pound gorilla in the room is still the data coming out of Greenland and Antarctica, plus the greenhouse effect of carbon dioxide. They are inescapable facts. The Larsen Ice Shelf is like Humpty Dumpty. All the king's men won't put it together again.

 

Subsequent to one of my posts, you did answer my question. No need to repeat yourself.

[Lacessit]

1 hour ago, Tippaporn said:

 

Lovely post, Lacessit.  I'm sure you're very proud of your common sense son, and deservedly so.  Give him thumbs up from this poster the next time you talk with him.

 

As to your question, I doubt it.  The fact that these folks live in a high risk area for fires and not only take zero precautions but also build with materials conducive to easily ignite is beyond me.  I guess it comes from the impoverished attitude of leaving your safety in the hands of others.  In this case, government.  My personal opinion is that government should never take on the function of keeping people safe.  I full well understand that at first blush that statement will sound ridiculous and appear to be the height of irresponsibility but once deeply pondered on you'll understand it's exactly why it's bad policy.

Thank you.

 

I don't disagree with your stance. However, I would say it is the function of governments to ensure people have good information.

 

The CSIRO in Australia is our leading scientific organization. It does a lot of cutting edge work, including fire research.

 

One of the studies it produced after Ash Wednesday said when people stayed behind to fight fires, they were 90% successful in defending their property. The study did have quite a few caveats in terms of preparedness, house construction, and fire-fighting methods.

 

As regular as clockwork, leftist governments increase CSIRO's budget. When right wing governments get in, they set about slashing CSIRO's funding.

 

It's currently in the right-wing opposition's bad books. Said opposition are taking a policy of small-size nuclear power plants to the next election. CSIRO have given the policy a raspberry. Nuclear power is the most expensive form of electricity on the planet, solar and wind are the cheapest. Australia has plenty of both.

 

Who will win, facts or policy?

 

 

[Lacessit]

1 hour ago, riclag said:

Quote:Leaving your safety in the hands of others!

 

“People — whether purposeful, reckless or simply careless —  are responsible for about 95% of California’s wildfires. In 2023 alone, people caused more than 7,000 wildfires in California; nationally, it was more than 50,000”.
https://calmatters.org/environment/wildfires/2024/07/california-wildfires-human-causes/

Terms of imprisonment for arson in Australia range from a few months to life imprisonment.

 

We have Total Fire Ban days. The mere act of lighting a fire on those days has on-the-spot fines of $2000. Court fines are $5000.

 

Cause property damage, even steeper fines, or prison.

 

Lightning is the most common cause of Australian bushfires.

[riclag]

When the Gov of California contradicts 

reservoirs aren’t  full , he’s spreading 

misinformation .What leader in there right mind would let this key reservoir go so long without sufficient water?

When L.A. fires broke out, the 117-million gallon Santa Ynez Reservoir near Pacific Palisades was empty. 

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/la-fires-santa-ynez-reservoir-pacific-palisades-california/

 

Story based on a report by Cbs news

[riclag]

Brilliantly executed Mr. Jennings: