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[KhunHeineken]

1 hour ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   

The two state solution has been rejected by the Palestinian side on numerous occasions , Palestinians want the who land for themselves and no Israel state on the land .

   The only war crimes have been those committed by the Palestinians .

Israel left Gaza about 20 odd years ago, unoccupied Gaza , although Gaza will need to be occupied again by someone now as they cannot be trusted to live in peace 

 

What about the West Bank?  Why did they continue to settle there against international law?

[KhunHeineken]

5 hours ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Interesting take on the extermination of the Semites.

 

Another instance of Europeans taking over a foreign land. A bit of a track record for that. Canada. US. Oz. South America.

 

Some may even say the "experiment" failed. 

[KhunHeineken]

4 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Which Countries haven't been involved in any wars ?

Switzerland.

[KhunHeineken]

3 hours ago, proton said:

 

Israel was attacked by 5 Arab (not Palestinian) armies the day after it was established, they have been defending themselves ever since from muslim hatred.

What right did the west have to "gift" them the land, whilst displacing the people that have resided there for centuries?

[KhunHeineken]

4 hours ago, bannork said:

Israel have been communicating atrocities on the Palestinians since 1948. They are not a civilised nation.

The problem is, if you criticize Israel's foreign policy, you are branded an antisemite, when you actually are not, you just disagree with their foreign policy. 

 

The Israeli whistleblowers coming forward, I wonder if they are antisemites. 

[Nick Carter icp]

1 hour ago, KhunHeineken said:

What right did the west have to "gift" them the land, whilst displacing the people that have resided there for centuries?

 

  It was the U.N who decided , the United Nations 

[Nick Carter icp]

1 hour ago, KhunHeineken said:

The problem is, if you criticize Israel's foreign policy, you are branded an antisemite, when you actually are not, you just disagree with their foreign policy. 

 

The Israeli whistleblowers coming forward, I wonder if they are antisemites. 

 

   That is untrue , you are not branded an anti semite just for being critical of Israel's foreign policy, although you may be branded as being an anti semites if you keep making references  to Nazis, WW2 and the Holocaust 

[Nick Carter icp]

1 hour ago, KhunHeineken said:

What right did the west have to "gift" them the land, whilst displacing the people that have resided there for centuries?

 

  What right do Australians have to take Aboriginal land ?

Who gave you that right ?

[KhunLA]

Where ever you live, your ancestors took someone's land.  My ancestors were deeded land in PA, USA, by king of England, though don't know who's if anyone's land they stole on the island, who oppression they were escaping.

 

Certainly wasn't the king's land to give away.  Oh well, he who has the guns, wins.

[Andre0720]

9 hours ago, KhunHeineken said:

If you were  non combatant, but all of your family were wiped out, you would pick up a gun, right?  

 

Yes, all Israel has achieved is creating another generation or two of hate, but as I said in another post, it's interesting that the hate is spreading around the world, as it did in Germany all those years ago.

 

Just as non combatants become combatants, people are becoming antisemitic, and it's because of the horrors they are witnessing on the news out of Gaza. 

 

The Israeli's celebrate as well.  As I said, one man's freedom fighter is another man's terrorist.  

 

 

 

What is it that you are trying to explain here?

That people should not have been happy that Hitler lost the battle?

 

Yes, Israel is happy that the source of hatred and the war is being slowly eradicated.

 

And those Palestinians, are you trying to defend them as well? You might stand alone in that quest:

 

"For those who wonder why other Arab countries won't give the palastinians refuge. Here's why...... They entered Lebanon and caused a civil war. They entered Jordan and attempted to overthrow the King of Jordan in what was called "Black September." They entered Syria and killed the Syrian people and dug tunnels in the Syrian city of Ghouta.. They entered Egypt and killed the Egyptian soldiers and slaughtered them in the Sinai desert. They entered Iraq and became suicide bombers, exploding in popular markets in Baghdad. They entered Europe as refugees, and today they are demonstrating in the streets and waging chaos and violence against the country's residents. They entered Israel to work, and Oct 7th happened. Why would anyone take them in with that history? Makes you wonder why the West took them. They had to know."

[thaibeachlovers]

5 minutes ago, Andre0720 said:

They entered Lebanon and caused a civil war.

Rubbish. They were gone before the civil war happened, which was because the Christians were aligned with the israelis and murdered thousands of Palestinians in a refuge camp.

[thaibeachlovers]

7 minutes ago, Andre0720 said:

They entered Jordan and attempted to overthrow the King of Jordan in what was called "Black September."

So, why are millions of Palestinians living in Jordan now?

[thaibeachlovers]

8 minutes ago, Andre0720 said:

They entered Egypt and killed the Egyptian soldiers and slaughtered them in the Sinai desert.

That was the israelis in the wars against Egypt. Do try and get it right.

[Briggsy]

Why does this "British man" hide his name?

[Andre0720]

Just now, thaibeachlovers said:

That was the israelis in the wars against Egypt. Do try and get it right.

Not me sir. I was simply quoting a source, that you claim is incorrect.

So thanks for the information.

 

But on the other hand, are you sure that your source of information is correct.

Seems that for just so many posts, always someone so happy to take it apart.

Always with some vitriol. Keeps AseanNow alive so it appears

[thaibeachlovers]

9 minutes ago, Andre0720 said:

"For those who wonder why other Arab countries won't give the palastinians refuge. Here's why......

You have no clue at all.

 

Palestinians are living on their own land, so why should they move to another country? If they did, every Arab country knows they will never be allowed to return to their own land. Common knowledge.

Do try and learn some elementary things about that region before posting rubbish on here.

[Andre0720]

7 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

So, why are millions of Palestinians living in Jordan now?

Former US Ambassador Ryan Crocker, who spent four decades in the Middle East, says that other Arab states look on the Palestinians with “fear and loathing.” There are many reasons why these neighbors refuse to welcome Palestinian refugees.

 

https://www.realclearworld.com/articles/2024/06/28/why_palestinians_are_not_welcomed_by_their_neighbors_1041068.html

 

So many sources suggest that what you say sir, is wrong also. So just go out there and inform them of your opinions...

[Andre0720]

3 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

You have no clue at all.

 

Palestinians are living on their own land, so why should they move to another country? If they did, every Arab country knows they will never be allowed to return to their own land. Common knowledge.

Do try and learn some elementary things about that region before posting rubbish on here.

Palestinians are fueled by their hatred of the Jews, and do not want peace. They want to eliminate the Jews, from a land that belongs to the Jews.

Common knowledge.

Go out and educate yourself please..

[thaibeachlovers]

2 minutes ago, Andre0720 said:

Not me sir. I was simply quoting a source, that you claim is incorrect.

So thanks for the information.

 

But on the other hand, are you sure that your source of information is correct.

Seems that for just so many posts, always someone so happy to take it apart.

Always with some vitriol. Keeps AseanNow alive so it appears

If you are quoting a source you are required to post that information. You can't use that as an excuse if you didn't add the source you quoted.

 

As For the so called "massacre" of Egyptians in the Sinai, it was 16 Egyptian soldiers and the attackers were never formally identified as Palestinians.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/August_2012_Sinai_attack

Following the attack, state television reported that foreign Islamist militants were responsible for perpetrating the attack.

[thaibeachlovers]

9 minutes ago, Andre0720 said:

Former US Ambassador Ryan Crocker, who spent four decades in the Middle East, says that other Arab states look on the Palestinians with “fear and loathing.” There are many reasons why these neighbors refuse to welcome Palestinian refugees.

 

https://www.realclearworld.com/articles/2024/06/28/why_palestinians_are_not_welcomed_by_their_neighbors_1041068.html

 

So many sources suggest that what you say sir, is wrong also. So just go out there and inform them of your opinions...

You use what an American politician says as proof of that, LOL. Some of us know that Americans and israelis speak with the same mouth.

 

It's also nonsense, Palestinians live in large numbers in neighbouring countries.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinians_in_Jordan

Minority Rights Group International estimated that there are around 3 million Palestinians in Jordan.^[7]

 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinians_in_Lebanon

There are roughly 3,000 registered Palestinians and their descendants

[Andre0720]

4 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

If you are quoting a source you are required to post that information. You can't use that as an excuse if you didn't add the source you quoted.

 

As For the so called "massacre" of Egyptians in the Sinai, it was 16 Egyptian soldiers and the attackers were never formally identified as Palestinians.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/August_2012_Sinai_attack

Following the attack, state television reported that foreign Islamist militants were responsible for perpetrating the attack.

https://www.realclearworld.com/articles/2024/06/28/why_palestinians_are_not_welcomed_by_their_neighbors_1041068.html

 

There, a source, just for you, so that you can calm down a bit.

Seems like no country in the Middle East want anything to do with the Palestinians.

But you find a few indicators that they are so good people I suppose..

 

 

''Jordan’s King Abdullah II has little desire to accept refugees. There are already nearly 60 designated Palestinian refugee camps across the Middle East, including ten in Jordan with more than two million residents. Most of these camps were established in the 1950’s and 60’s and are now more like concrete slums than tent camps. Establishing massive new camps would be a financial and logistical nightmare.

Further, Jordan already has a troubled relationship with Islamist movements, particularly the Muslim Brotherhood. Two decades after accepting 300,000 Palestinian refugees, King Hussein of Jordan expelled the Palestine Liberation Organization in September 1970 because of its escalating terrorist activities and an attempted coup. The Muslim Brotherhood continues to operate in Jordan and supports Hamas, and acts as a sort of fractured opposition party.

Egypt also has a fraught history with Muslim extremism. Founded in 1928 in Egypt, the Muslim Brotherhood has battled the secular Egyptian government for nearly a century, including its assassination of President Anwar Sadat in 1981. Hamas and ISIS have both carried out attacks on Egyptian soil, from murdering tourists in Cairo to terrorism in the Sinai Peninsula. There are no Palestinian refugee camps in Egypt, and President Al-Sisi will refuse to open camps and face the associated terrorism likely to emerge.

The Muslim Brotherhood and the Palestinians are also unwelcome by other secular governments in the region, including Iran, Syria, Iraq, and the Saudis. Nobody wants to risk introducing a dangerous movement onto their own soil.

Indeed, after decades of cynical support for Hamas and the PLO, regional leaders may have had enough. In 2020, the Trump Administration launched the Abraham Accords, normalizing relations between Israel and the United Arab Emirates and Bahrain, with Morocco soon joining and Sudan now pending."

[Andre0720]

1 minute ago, thaibeachlovers said:

You use what an American politician says as proof of that, LOL. Some of us know that Americans and israelis speak with the same mouth.

 

It's also nonsense, Palestinians live in large numbers in neighbouring countries.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinians_in_Jordan

Minority Rights Group International estimated that there are around 3 million Palestinians in Jordan.^[7]

 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinians_in_Lebanon

There are roughly 3,000 registered Palestinians and their descendants

Yes, quite right.

But what you absolutely do not want to hear about, is that these neighboring countries do not want any more of these Palestinians people. They already have too many, for obvious reasons

[thaibeachlovers]

9 hours ago, KhunHeineken said:

What right did the west have to "gift" them the land, whilst displacing the people that have resided there for centuries?

None at all.

We are not allowed to use the Z word, but if interested look up the Z word as the history of the Z people late 19th and early 20th century explains a lot, especially who they were.

[thaibeachlovers]

3 minutes ago, Andre0720 said:

Yes, quite right.

But what you absolutely do not want to hear about, is that these neighboring countries do not want any more of these Palestinians people. They already have too many, for obvious reasons

You can give it a rest now, as it's all off topic and likely going to get deleted anyway.