So you got a preemptive pardon. Ok - now you can't plead the Fifth Amendment.

[connda]

Well it seems that those handed preemptive pardons can not "plead the Fifth" (self-incrimination) so expect the DOJ and Senate to bring these people in for questioning in order to clear the air.  Ok - so you have a pardon, now you can come 100% clean, but lie?  Prison.  We'll see.

https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2025/01/20/despite_biden_pardon_fauci_still_faces_legal_perils_here_they_are_1085875.html

 

 

 

 

[Lacessit]

The pre-emptive pardons are simply to protect people from Trump's well-known vindictiveness.

 

Tell me what crimes you think Fauci, Milley and Liz Cheney have committed, apart from not kissing Trump's @rse.

 

 

[Red Phoenix]

By providing a pardon for crimes committed during the period 2014 to 2024 (2014 being the year that Fauci illegally approved the 'gain of function' research) Biden actually did let the 'cat out of the bag'.

All that's needed now is to subpoena Fauci and interrogate him.

And Fauci will then have to decide on one of two options:

#1 - Keep on lying, but there is now already such a mountain of evidence, that it would be relatively easy to have him convicted for perjury, and a hefty jail-sentence.  Because that perjury would take place AFTER the pardon, as Biden could not - even if he wanted to - provide a pardon for future crimes.

True, he cannot be convicted anymore for the lies he made under oath earlier to his pardon, nor for any other federal crimes he committed during that TEN (!) year period. 

But if that preemptive pardon would be interpreted as that Fauci cannot even be supoena-ed, that would be absolutely outrageous as it would mean that he cannot even be heard in an investigation.

#2 - Fauci finally speaking the truth and admitting to what he did in the period 2014-2024, as due to the pardon he cannot be convicted for anything he did during the 2014-2024.  But obviously that would mean uncovering all those that were complicit in his crimes (Collins, Daszak, etc.). 

 

> I think Fauci now needs 'witness protection' as he surely would throw everybody else under the bus even if it means having his 'legacy' completely destroyed (but that's better than rotting in jail for lying under oath). 

So when our Tony gets a fatal accident or gets sick leading to a sudden and unexpected demise, the Deep State will have prevented worse for them...

[Airalee]

2 hours ago, Red Phoenix said:

By providing a pardon for crimes committed during the period 2014 to 2024 (2014 being the year that Fauci illegally approved the 'gain of function' research) Biden actually did let the 'cat out of the bag'.

All that's needed now is to subpoena Fauci and interrogate him.

And Fauci will then have to decide on one of two options:

#1 - Keep on lying, but there is now already such a mountain of evidence, that it would be relatively easy to have him convicted for perjury, and a hefty jail-sentence.  Because that perjury would take place AFTER the pardon, as Biden could not - even if he wanted to - provide a pardon for future crimes.

True, he cannot be convicted anymore for the lies he made under oath earlier to his pardon, nor for any other federal crimes he committed during that TEN (!) year period. 

But if that preemptive pardon would be interpreted as that Fauci cannot even be supoena-ed, that would be absolutely outrageous as it would mean that he cannot even be heard in an investigation.

#2 - Fauci finally speaking the truth and admitting to what he did in the period 2014-2024, as due to the pardon he cannot be convicted for anything he did during the 2014-2024.  But obviously that would mean uncovering all those that were complicit in his crimes (Collins, Daszak, etc.). 

 

> I think Fauci now needs 'witness protection' as he surely would throw everybody else under the bus even if it means having his 'legacy' completely destroyed (but that's better than rotting in jail for lying under oath). 

So when our Tony gets a fatal accident or gets sick leading to a sudden and unexpected demise, the Deep State will have prevented worse for them...

From what I have read on other blogs, Fauci is only pardoned on the federal level but not the state level nor protected from civil suits.

 

I agree that he will need ‘witness protection’…not only from whomever he might implicate, but also from someone who was either harmed by the vaccines or had a family member who died due to their falling for his manipulative rhetoric (I am the science!) and flat out lies.  I doubt that people will believe the “we did the best we could with the information we had at the time” load of dung either.

[blaze master]

2 hours ago, Lacessit said:

The pre-emptive pardons are simply to protect people from Trump's well-known vindictiveness.

 

Tell me what crimes you think Fauci, Milley and Liz Cheney have committed, apart from not kissing Trump's @rse.

 

 

 

Tell us how you know this for a fact. You have a link right to back up this claim ?

 

Otherwise it's just your useless opinion.

[timendres]

2 hours ago, Red Phoenix said:

By providing a pardon for crimes committed during the period 2014 to 2024 (2014 being the year that Fauci illegally approved the 'gain of function' research) Biden actually did let the 'cat out of the bag'.

All that's needed now is to subpoena Fauci and interrogate him.

And Fauci will then have to decide on one of two options:

#1 - Keep on lying, but there is now already such a mountain of evidence, that it would be relatively easy to have him convicted for perjury, and a hefty jail-sentence.  Because that perjury would take place AFTER the pardon, as Biden could not - even if he wanted to - provide a pardon for future crimes.

True, he cannot be convicted anymore for the lies he made under oath earlier to his pardon, nor for any other federal crimes he committed during that TEN (!) year period. 

But if that preemptive pardon would be interpreted as that Fauci cannot even be supoena-ed, that would be absolutely outrageous as it would mean that he cannot even be heard in an investigation.

#2 - Fauci finally speaking the truth and admitting to what he did in the period 2014-2024, as due to the pardon he cannot be convicted for anything he did during the 2014-2024.  But obviously that would mean uncovering all those that were complicit in his crimes (Collins, Daszak, etc.). 

 

> I think Fauci now needs 'witness protection' as he surely would throw everybody else under the bus even if it means having his 'legacy' completely destroyed (but that's better than rotting in jail for lying under oath). 

So when our Tony gets a fatal accident or gets sick leading to a sudden and unexpected demise, the Deep State will have prevented worse for them...

 

Or Option #3: Ignore the subpoena and face contempt of court and its possible penalties.

[Red Phoenix]

This article by Michael Nevradakis of CHD provides a good overview of the implications of Biden providing a preemptive pardon to Fauci. 

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/biden-fauci-preemptive-pardon-covid-offenses/

 

Here some excerpts from the article, which clearly indicate that it doesn't look that despite the pardon Fauci will be 'off the hook'.

 

The pardon, retroactive to Jan. 1, 2014, addresses “any offenses” Fauci committed during this period, including in his former capacities as director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, member of the White House COVID-19 Response Team and chief medical adviser to Biden.

 

According to the AP, the pardon may not shield Fauci from all potential legal threats, particularly congressional inquiries. The new Republican-led Congress “would still likely have wide leverage” to conduct inquiries, the AP reported.

Attorney Rick Jaffe told The Defender he suspects that, despite the pardon, Fauci likely “will be hauled before Congress,” potentially as part of investigations not targeting him directly but examining matters such as federal funding of the Wuhan Institute of Virology.

“When testifying in those inquiries or answering written depositions, Fauci will be unable to dodge questions by invoking his Fifth Amendment protections against self-incrimination,” according to RealClearInvestigations. Foster said, “And if he lies about any prior lie, he can be prosecuted for that or held in contempt.”

 

Attorney Greg Glaser told The Defender that Fauci may also face legal challenges at the state level.

“Fauci can still be prosecuted under state law. The U.S. Supreme Court has articulated checks and balances upon the pardon power, so the power is limited to the federal executive branch,” Glaser said.

Ebright noted that the pardon did not extend to other key figures who collaborated with Fauci, such as former NIH director Francis Collins.

“This sets the stage for prosecution of Fauci’s co-conspirators and for full exposure of Fauci’s crimes through prosecution of his co-conspirators,” Ebright said.

 

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