Delivery Rider Killed in Road Rage Incident Involving Indian Driver on Sukhumvit Road

[MangoKorat]

9 hours ago, Liverpool Lou said:

What's your basis for your assertion that bail is out of the question for similar incidents fpr other people?

Its the norm when there is overwhelming evidence and the forthcoming sentence is definitely incarceration.  In addition, most 'ordinary' Thai's couldn't put up 600K.

[MangoKorat]

12 hours ago, Mr Meeseeks said:

 

He was born in Thailand and holds Thai nationality.

 

Not Thai ethnicity certainly. 

I am simply going by what my Thai friend said when they told me about this incident.

[Liverpool Lou]

1 minute ago, MangoKorat said:

9 hours ago, Liverpool Lou said:

What's your basis for your assertion that bail is out of the question for similar incidents fpr other people?

Its the norm when there is overwhelming evidence and the forthcoming sentence is definitely incarceration.  In addition, most 'ordinary' Thai's couldn't put up 600K.

No, it is not the norm, the opportunity for bail is the norm.

 

"In addition, most 'ordinary' Thai's couldn't put up 600K".

The "ordinary" Thais, who may not be a flight risk, probably would not have to put up B600k.

[Liverpool Lou]

11 hours ago, zepplin said:

Another rich entitled <deleted> , who’s daddy will eventually pay off the poor victims wife, and the charges will be dropped…-after the police get their envelope of course.. 

Let's see how your prediction turns out.

[MangoKorat]

1 minute ago, Liverpool Lou said:

No, it is not the norm, the opportunity for bail is the norm.

 

"In addition, most 'ordinary' Thai's couldn't put up 600K".

The "ordinary" Thais, who may not be a flight risk, probably would not have to put up B600k.

I'm not going to get into an argument with you about this - I've seen how 'ordinary' Thais are sometimes treated by the Thai legal system - that's enough for me to know that money talks - it even makes charges go away.

[Liverpool Lou]

11 hours ago, PomPolo said:

On 1/22/2025 at 5:36 PM, snoop1130 said:

and is prohibited from leaving the country

And we all know how successful that is generally.

Who do you have in mind that was in that situation, i.e. banned from leaving but left anyway?  

[Liverpool Lou]

10 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

This driver should be charged with premeditated murder

He has been.

[Liverpool Lou]

9 hours ago, smew said:

paying off the victim’s family not to pursue. Thai justice continues.

Why not if that is the way that the legal system can work here and if both parties are in agreement?

[Liverpool Lou]

6 hours ago, hotchilli said:

9 hours ago, Liverpool Lou said:

Why should his uninvolved, innocent family be punished with that irrational penalty?

Justice for the widow

How could the injustice of punishing a family, that were not involved in this incident in any way, be "justice for the widow"?   Does that happen in your country or do you just think that it should apply here?

[Liverpool Lou]

15 minutes ago, MangoKorat said:

that's enough for me to know that money talks - it even makes charges go away.

I agree.

[Alidiver]

Are there no reporting restrictions?

No "alleged "

"he intentionally hit and killed a motorcyclist on Sukhumvit Road in Bangkok."

[Andre0720]

Prominent themes in Hindu beliefs include karma (action, intent and consequences),

 

In the land of the Buddha, this will require quite a few "Wai's", signified on top of many brown envelopes....

 

[smew]

20 hours ago, Liverpool Lou said:

Why not if that is the way that the legal system can work here and if both parties are in agreement?

Jail is the only deterrent here in Thailand for culture to change

[reefsurfah]

On 1/23/2025 at 8:01 PM, Liverpool Lou said:

How could the injustice of punishing a family, that were not involved in this incident in any way, be "justice for the widow"?   Does that happen in your country or do you just think that it should apply here?

What do you know about law?  Look up civil litigation.  Why do you ask ridiculous questions?

[reefsurfah]

On 1/23/2025 at 9:38 AM, Mr Meeseeks said:

 

There is a lot of truth in that post. A lot of land in central Bangkok is owned by Indian families. 

Cool story 

[Liverpool Lou]

16 hours ago, reefsurfah said:

On 1/23/2025 at 8:01 PM, Liverpool Lou said:

How could the injustice of punishing a family, that were not involved in this incident in any way, be "justice for the widow"?   Does that happen in your country or do you just think that it should apply here?

What do you know about law?  Look up civil litigation.  Why do you ask ridiculous questions?

"What do you know about law?" 
Clearly more than you do. 

I know enough of the law to know that "justice for the widow" by the uninvolved family being penalised is complete nonsense, unless the family were sued but, in this case, there is nothing for his parents/siblings to be sued for.

[watchcat]

On 1/22/2025 at 10:36 AM, snoop1130 said:

crashing his white Toyota Altis sedan into a black electric motorcycle

 

Are they even legal to use on the streets?

[lordgrinz]

26 minutes ago, watchcat said:

 

Are they even legal to use on the streets?

 

If I understand correctly, only if they are under 500 watts.

[watchcat]

2 minutes ago, lordgrinz said:

 

If I understand correctly, only if they are under 500 watts.

 

Ok you're most likely right personally I know nothing about electric.

[lordgrinz]

Just now, watchcat said:

 

Ok you're most likely right personally I know nothing about electric.

 

I believe they are treated more like a bicycle, anything over 500 watts would be considered a motorcycle. But here in Thailand, no enforcement, so expect that 500 watt limit to be broken at will.

[KhunLA]

1 hour ago, lordgrinz said:

 

I believe they are treated more like a bicycle, anything over 500 watts would be considered a motorcycle. But here in Thailand, no enforcement, so expect that 500 watt limit to be broken at will.

Technically, any 2 or 3 wheels with a motor, is a motorcycle.  Unless inspected, insured, tax paid & registered, then technically, illegal.   But for now, most places, like the side carts on scooters, are tolerated.

[lordgrinz]

20 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Technically, any 2 or 3 wheels with a motor, is a motorcycle.  Unless inspected, insured, tax paid & registered, then technically, illegal.   But for now, most places, like the side carts on scooters, are tolerated.

 

Not if its 500 watts or under.

 

https://thepattayanews.com/2024/05/20/legal-corner-what-is-the-legal-status-of-electronic-scooters-in-thailand/

[KhunLA]

17 minutes ago, lordgrinz said:

 

Not if its 500 watts or under.

motor + 2 or 3 wheels = motorcycle

 

There is no designation for moped, any less CC or any less Wattage size motors.

 

'Motor' cycle

 

I'll wait for you to show me that excerpt of he 'motor vehicle act' that states otherwise ... or not 

 

[lordgrinz]

2 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

motor + 2 or 3 wheels = motorcycle

 

There is no designation for moped, any less CC or any less Wattage size motors.

 

'Motor' cycle

 

 

– **Power Output Regulations**: In Thailand, electric scooters with a power output of up to 500 watts are legal without registration & insurance. Anything above this requires proper registration. The bikes in Pattaya are well below this limit, according to the owner of the electronic bike company.

 

[KhunLA]

Just now, lordgrinz said:

 

– **Power Output Regulations**: In Thailand, electric scooters with a power output of up to 500 watts are legal without registration & insurance. Anything above this requires proper registration. The bikes in Pattaya are well below this limit, according to the owner of the electronic bike company.

 

you have a link for that, from a govt site ?

[KhunLA]

5 minutes ago, lordgrinz said:

 

– **Power Output Regulations**: In Thailand, electric scooters with a power output of up to 500 watts are legal without registration & insurance. Anything above this requires proper registration. The bikes in Pattaya are well below this limit, according to the owner of the electronic bike company.

 

From a news blip that has that quote, surely repeated, but doesn't make it legal ...

 

... "Of course, many have asked if the scooters are legal. The answer to this is a bit tricky as there aren’t firm national rules and it can vary by area, such as Bangkok and Chiang Mai. The bikes coming to Pattaya, however, have caused a lot of agencies and officials to meet to attempt to flesh these out as reported here by The Pattaya News." ...

 

Along with ...

 

... "The laws regarding electronic scooters in Thailand are not entirely clear-cut and can vary by region. " ...

 

Not exactly what the 'Motor Vehicle Act' states.

[lordgrinz]

19 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

From a news blip that has that quote, surely repeated, but doesn't make it legal ...

 

... "Of course, many have asked if the scooters are legal. The answer to this is a bit tricky as there aren’t firm national rules and it can vary by area, such as Bangkok and Chiang Mai. The bikes coming to Pattaya, however, have caused a lot of agencies and officials to meet to attempt to flesh these out as reported here by The Pattaya News." ...

 

Along with ...

 

... "The laws regarding electronic scooters in Thailand are not entirely clear-cut and can vary by region. " ...

 

Not exactly what the 'Motor Vehicle Act' states.

 

Nevertheless, they are ubiquitous on the roads here, there are no police doing anything about it. Same issues as seen in other countries with these, though a bundle of these countries have now incorporated laws/rules for them, which aren't much different then what is state in that article.

[KhunLA]

17 minutes ago, lordgrinz said:

 

Nevertheless, they are ubiquitous on the roads here, there are no police doing anything about it. Same issues as seen in other countries with these, though a bundle of these countries have now incorporated laws/rules for them, which aren't much different then what is state in that article.

Yes, well tolerated, and a good thing, thankfully, as mine has a 1000w motor 

[lordgrinz]

1 minute ago, KhunLA said:

Yes, well tolerated, and a good thing, thankfully, as mine has a 1000w motor 

 

I'd be more interested in how the courts would see it, as in someone challenging someone after an accident with one of these. But if you are driving with one over 500 watts, you kind of put yourself in a pickle, as multiple news agencies have mentioned the 500 watt piece of the puzzle.

[MangoKorat]

On 1/25/2025 at 6:44 AM, Liverpool Lou said:

I know enough of the law to know that "justice for the widow" by the uninvolved family being penalised is complete nonsense, unless the family were sued but, in this case, there is nothing for his parents/siblings to be sued for.

Hmmm, then how does this work?

 

In 2011 I was on the back of a motorbike taxi in Bangkok when we were hit by a taxi that pulled out of a side road. The taxi driver (apparently legally) only had 3rd class insurance so the payout I received for my injuries/hospital treatment was way short of the total cost. The lawyer I employed to deal with my claim said we would firstly sue the taxi driver for the shortfall and if it turns out he has no money or land, the claim would move on to his immediate family - someone would most likely own land. I was astounded that it was possible to claim against family assets.

 

The taxi driver was totally in the wrong and a bloody idiot - however, he was just an ordinary poor guy who shared the taxi with 2 others - each working 8 hour shifts. I had lost quite a lot of money but I had no desire to make this guy's life any harder than it already was.  Once checks into the driver's assets revealed he had nothing and I declined to take action against the family. My lawyer however, told me that it was quite normal for direct family assets to be seized to settle claims.