Ceasefire in Ukraine.

[frank83628]

21 minutes ago, transam said:

But not sceptical about Putin's reports................😂

 

You can't make this sh_t up.........😆...................

Well after all the western reports of Russia losing ground, troops and the war in general, only for Putin to have the necessary land in the East like he said... izd tend to believe him slightly more than the BS you swallow daily.

I don't watch RT much, I don't need to because anything I read here about  Putin or Trump I know  the truth is the opposite

[transam]

18 hours ago, bkk6060 said:

 Zelensky is begging for money again, but I doubt Trump will be sending any.

So, how much longer will it last?

Begging, now come on, didn't Winston Churchill ask for help to bury a tyrant.....?  🤔

 

Freedom costs, didn't you know that.......?  🤔

[Rimmer]

Some off topic bickering and flaming posts removed also replies.

 

 

[Yagoda]

Quickest way to get a ceasefire is to quit sending stuff to Ukraine. Let the Euros do it. In fact, let them deal with Russia, call us if the Ivans cross into Riga and we will let you know. 

[transam]

Just now, Yagoda said:

Quickest way to get a ceasefire is to quit sending stuff to Ukraine. Let the Euros do it. In fact, let them deal with Russia, call us if the Ivans cross into Riga and we will let you know. 

It looks like in your opinion the USA should not have helped out dealing with Hitler, or the allies helping out the USA with Japan to deal with tyrants, whilst you are sitting all comfy in your safe bubble.........

 

[Nick Carter icp]

13 minutes ago, transam said:

It looks like in your opinion the USA should not have helped out dealing with Hitler, or the allies helping out the USA with Japan to deal with tyrants, whilst you are sitting all comfy in your safe bubble.........

 

 

   We are talking about the Ukraine war, World War 2 finished a few years ago .

   They are two different wars 

[Yagoda]

14 minutes ago, transam said:

It looks like in your opinion the USA should not have helped out dealing with Hitler, or the allies helping out the USA with Japan to deal with tyrants, whilst you are sitting all comfy in your safe bubble.........

 

Your analysis is, as always, childishly simplistic

[NoDisplayName]

19 hours ago, bannork said:

The Ukrainians don't want the Russians in their sovereign country. It's as simple as that.

Minsk.

Minsk-2.

Istanbul.

 

Gosh, the Russians were even willing to leave Crimea in Ukraine and continue paying the lease on Sevastapol.

[jas007]

57 minutes ago, transam said:

Honestly, you do come across as being quite dim..............😬

 

Watch this, words from a sensible chap, though I doubt you will understand a single word............🤨

 

 

The problem with this guy's analysis is that it ignores reality.  He thinks Putin is a gambler and his only tactic is to bluff and raise.  Manipulative brinkmanship. Fine.  If we accept all that, then what?  Does the West sit down and gamble with Putin? That seems to be Browder's game plan. And yet, if the West loses the game we all lose the world as we know it.  WWIII would be over in 45 minutes.  Gambling with Putin doesn't sound like a sensible game plan to me. Too many unwarranted or dubious assumptions. 

 

What is Browder assuming?  That Putin is bluffing. That the Russian economy isn't doing so well at all, and that Russia will never again be able to sell natural gas to Western Europe and will never recover financially. He seems to be counting on a Russian economic collapse which will eventually force Putin's hand.  How sure are we about that?  Browder also assumes Putin is some sort of psychopath.  

 

Gambling with a psychopath?  Sounds like a risky endeavor to me.  Putin usually doesn't back down once he's engaged in a certain course of action. Anything can happen, and risking the world on Ukraine sounds like a bad bet to me.  It's not that important, except in the minds of some delusional Neocons who think Putin wants to reassemble the old Soviet Union. They went bankrupt trying to hold the old one together. They won't make that mistake again. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[transam]

6 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   We are talking about the Ukraine war, World War 2 finished a few years ago .

   They are two different wars 

Sorry you cannot see the comparison I put to another poster, but you crack on...

[transam]

7 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Your analysis is, as always, childishly simplistic

Perhaps the only way you would understand, eh.......😉

[transam]

4 minutes ago, jas007 said:

The problem with this guy's analysis is that it ignores reality.  He thinks Putin is a gambler and his only tactic is to bluff and raise.  Manipulative brinkmanship. Fine.  If we accept all that, then what?  Does the West sit down and gamble with Putin? That seems to be Browder's game plan. And yet, if the West loses the game we all lose the world as we know it.  WWIII would be over in 45 minutes.  Gambling with Putin doesn't sound like a sensible game plan to me. Too many unwarranted or dubious assumptions. 

 

What is Browder assuming?  That Putin is bluffing. That the Russian economy isn't doing so well at all, and that Russia will never again be able to sell natural gas to Western Europe and will never recover financially. He seems to be counting on a Russian economic collapse which will eventually force Putin's hand.  How sure are we about that?  Browder also assumes Putin is some sort of psychopath.  

 

Gambling with a psychopath?  Sounds like a risky endeavor to me.  Putin usually doesn't back down once he's engaged in a certain course of action. Anything can happen, and risking the world on Ukraine sounds like a bad bet to me.  It's not that important, except in the minds of some delusional Neocons who think Putin wants to reassemble the old Soviet Union. They went bankrupt trying to hold the old one together. They won't make that mistake again. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But, who are you..........😉

[Hawaiian]

2 hours ago, frank83628 said:

I never said it wasn't, but it shows the Russian side of the story. And no mention there

 

Uf you feel so strongly..Why don't you go and do your bit for the west too.

I'm not the doubting Thomas.  At 85, I'm a bit old to be traveling to a war zone, plus

I don't have a problem that some of my tax dollars have gone to support Ukraine. 

You're fooling yourself if you think the Russian side of the story depicts what is actually going on.

 

[jas007]

12 minutes ago, transam said:

But, who are you..........😉

Why does it matter?  I'm allowed to have opinions. I write whatever I want.  If it makes anyone stop and think a little, that's fine. If not, that's fine too. 

[frank83628]

8 minutes ago, Hawaiian said:

I'm not the doubting Thomas.  At 85, I'm a bit old to be traveling to a war zone, plus

I don't have a problem that some of my tax dollars have gone to support Ukraine. 

You're fooling yourself if you think the Russian side of the story depicts what is actually going on.

 

So 14000 ethnic Russian in donbass region were not murdered over the 10 years since the coup, or Azov exists?

[Hawaiian]

23 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   We are talking about the Ukraine war, World War 2 finished a few years ago .

   They are two different wars 

Who claimed they are not two different wars.  He is comparing the history of aid given in the past and questioning why should it be any different this time.  If you think it is different then by all means please explain the difference.

[transam]

1 minute ago, frank83628 said:

So 14000 ethnic Russian in donbass region were not murdered over the 10 years since the coup, or Azov exists?

How many zillions of Russians were put to death in Russia by whom ever controlled Russia in the past....?

 

Your leader being part of it................

 

Wake up, western bloke.................

[frank83628]

4 hours ago, jas007 said:

There''s a new twist on any possible deal with Putin to stop the war.  He wants the USA to extradite Fauci to Russia for "crimes against humanity."   Funny, and I wish it would happen, but it's highly unlikely, legally.  

Does he really?., that's great news if true

[frank83628]

2 minutes ago, transam said:

How many zillions of Russians were put to death in Russia by whom ever controlled Russia in the past....?

 

Your leader being part of it................

 

Wake up, western bloke.................

The thread is about Ukrainian and the possible ceasefire, stop trying to steer it off topic by relentlessly bombarding it with  your cretinous comments. 

 

[rickudon]

The war will end this year, just depends on who blinks first. Ukraine is running low on men to conscript (but still has theoretically about one million in uniform), Russia has used up 75% of its armoured units, hence uses mainly infantry assaults; manpower is maintained by paying massive sign-on bonuses; the economy is suffering massive inflation.

 

As for Russian re-armament, it is mainly drones and refurbishing obsolete stuff, aircraft and armoured vehicle production is stagnant. By 2026, the only advantage Russia will have is manpower using 1917 tactics.

[Hawaiian]

12 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

So 14000 ethnic Russian in donbass region were not murdered over the 10 years since the coup, or Azov exists?

In referring to Russian propaganda, you replied, "I never said it wasn't, but it shows the Russian side of the story."  How do you distinguish the difference between presenting accurate facts and propaganda?

[frank83628]

Just now, Hawaiian said:

In referring to Russian propaganda, you replied, "I never said it wasn't, but it shows the Russian side of the story."

So you deny any of this happened?

[Hawaiian]

6 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

So you deny any of this happened?

 

6 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

So you deny any of this happened?

No, I have not denied anything.  It's quite evident you don't really understand the meaning of the word "propaganda."

[candide]

5 hours ago, frank83628 said:

I belive there has been a ceasefire reachedband hostages released.. That was done before he took office....

Most people can understand that Trump wanted get the negotiations going and bring and end to the war quickly, unlike the former half dead guy that laundered billions through Aid. Putin has the land where he saw issues . However due the US, UK and NATO thousands are dead too. 

Most people understand that Trump was lying, as usual! 😆

[frank83628]

6 minutes ago, candide said:

Most people understand that Trump was lying, as usual! 😆

Remember Trump won the popular vote too, along with everything else.... so its not 'most' 

[candide]

5 hours ago, jas007 said:

Unlike Musk, people on the left are all basically brainwashed and don't have any real vision.  The spin doctors told them that Musk had been robbed, purchasing Twitter for that price, and they believed it.  And to this day, many of them are still repeating that nonsense.  Meanwhile, Musk has turned X into one of the most widely read news sources in the world.  And he's expanded and improved it with AI.  It's a free speech platform, with "Community Notes" available for readers to critique posts they don't agree with.  Facebook has now supposedly gone forward with this concept as well, after firing all its "fact checkers." And supposedly, Musk is  considering expanding X  to include a payment platform.  With his PayPal background, her has much experience in that realm, so I think it'll probably happen.   

Basically brainwashed by facts! 😆

https://www.businessofapps.com/data/twitter-statistics/

[scottiejohn]

1 hour ago, transam said:

Perhaps the only way you would understand, eh.......😉

Even then it still doesn't understand most of the topics it replies to!

PS;  I see it has started with it's pointless yapping again in another thread!

[scottiejohn]

1 hour ago, Yagoda said:

Your analysis is, as always, childishly simplistic

As are your replies!

[candide]

22 hours ago, jas007 said:

I think you're conveniently ignoring the history of the region and especially the history of USA meddling around the world to install puppet dictators by way or "regime change."  It's a Neocon fantasy that  finally met its match.  Russia isn't some puny third world country that can be pushed around. Russia has very legitimate security interests. It has a "sphere of influence."  It doesn't want NATO missiles on its border, and rightly so.  The USA wouldn't tolerate Chinese or Russia missile installations in Tijuana.  Why should Russia tolerate NATO forces on their border? Do you have any idea how many Russians lost their lives in WW II?  What was it? 21 million people? 

 

You can pretend it's all about the invasion of a "sovereign country," but it's more than that.  

A lame propaganda argument. NATO has not brought missiles closer to Russian border since the cold war. Thet stayed where they were and there was no intent to bring them closer.

https://www.cfr.org/in-brief/nuclear-weapons-europe-mapping-us-and-russian-deployments

[jas007]

4 minutes ago, candide said:

Basically brainwashed by facts! 😆

https://www.businessofapps.com/data/twitter-statistics/

Moat of those numbers are ancient history at this point and don't necessarily reflect the whole story.  There's more to the story than spreadsheets reflect.  That's why Wall Street misses all the disruptive technologies that come along.  The analysts have no vision. They can only see typical investment metrics. 

 

Look at all the people who lost billions trying to short Tesla. Or, look at IBM. IBM once thought all the profits to be made on personal computers would come from the hardware. Or, remember when Bill Gates went to see Ross Perot to try to sell him Microsoft?  The businessman, Ross Perot, passed on 75 million dollars.  

 

Anyway, if you think Musk got cheated when he bought Twitter, you might want to think again. Mainstream media is dying.  And there will be a replacement.