7 hours ago, Petemcc64 said:

I'm not being disrespectful but you are obviously an online Guardian reader and watch the BBC. 

There were rioters who were just pieces of s###, just waiting for any excuse to have a go at the police (I am ex-police) and damage property just because they can. There were also a large number of concerned citizens who were very pissed off at being lied to.

Now Stasi Starmer labelled them all 'right wing'. Let me tell you, with 19 years in the criminal justice scheme in 2 countries, including 5.5 years as a prison officer in Australia, I have never come across a piece of S### rioter or thug who was anywhere near right wing, indeed if anything they were super left. So Starmer mislabeled common criminals as right wing and bundled in concerned citizens, just labelling everything 'right wing extremism'. He then made a statement that people would be arrested, refused bail and put before the court. This ended up in a number of people who were caught up in non-violent incidents, being charged with the top-tier offence and being scared into pleading guilty for fear of spending months and months on remand. That to me was a clear attempt by Starmer to pervert the course of justice.

As for prejudicing any trial, the only way he would be found not guilty would be if he was already dead. He was at the scene, he was witnessed by many people killing and maiming, he was caught with the weapon, there will have been forensic evidence all over him, there is nothing that could compromise any trial. Like I said I have been around the system a while and know what is what. That was just Starmer trying to dig his way out of the hole he dug for himself. 

Now, seeing as you have an opinion, perhaps you could tell me the legal grounds by which his trial could be compromised if any and all information was released? 

Thank you. 

 

Well said.

7 hours ago, brewsterbudgen said:

I'm not being disrespectful but you are obviously a Daily Mail reader and watch GB News!

The rioters were not being lied to and had no reason for attacking the police and trying to burn down and murder the hotels/hostel which were accommodating asylum seekers.  They deserved to be punished and all credit to the authorities for acting quickly and nipping it in the bud.

So he was not a terrorist, and WAS a christian Welsh choirboy then? 

 

I'm just so sorry for those middle aged housewives and gentlemen with no previous record who were jailed for "misinformation" that was technically true. Similar to Tommy.

33 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

So he was not a terrorist, and WAS a christian Welsh choirboy then? 

 

I'm just so sorry for those middle aged housewives and gentlemen with no previous record who were jailed for "misinformation" that was technically true. Similar to Tommy.

Meanwhile millions of law abiding people didn’t go on a racist driven riot fest of looting and arson.

 

And that despite being in receipt of the same statements from police and Government.

 

Welcome to responsibility for one’s own actions.

6 hours ago, Will B Good said:

 

Oh I would love that.....

Dumping the NHS and raising the State Pension to 81 are real vote winners. 

Just now, Baht Simpson said:

Dumping the NHS and raising the State Pension to 81 are real vote winners. 

 

 

....plus huge, unfunded tax cuts for the wealthy.....cutting edge stuff....555

38 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Similar to Tommy.

No, not similar to Tommy. He was jailed for contempt of court, a serious offense.

2 minutes ago, Will B Good said:

 

 

....plus huge, unfunded tax cuts for the wealthy.....cutting edge stuff....555

Is that before or after she trashes the economy again? Lol

2 minutes ago, Baht Simpson said:

Is that before or after she trashes the economy again? Lol

 

Letter on its way from her solicitors....you've been warned.

3 minutes ago, Will B Good said:

 

Letter on its way from her solicitors....you've been warned.

Trashed not crashed. Lol

4 minutes ago, Baht Simpson said:

Trashed not crashed. Lol

 

That might work....555

2 hours ago, Baht Simpson said:

No, not similar to Tommy. He was jailed for contempt of court, a serious offense.

He was jailed for journalism, which exposed establishment disinformation. No more, no less. 

Yes I know that officially he was jailed for contempt of court. Does contempt usually carry a solitary confinement/torture sentence? And before you start with more establishment lies, yrs there are open prisons he could have been sent to.

Tommys treatment is disgusting. He will have a Trump-esque comeback just you watch. Musk will bankroll it. Musk is fed up with establishment disinfo and 2 tier justice.

7 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

He was jailed for journalism, which exposed establishment disinformation. No more, no less. 

Yes I know that officially he was jailed for contempt of court. Does contempt usually carry a solitary confinement/torture sentence? And before you start with more establishment lies, yrs there are open prisons he could have been sent to.

Tommys treatment is disgusting. He will have a Trump-esque comeback just you watch. Musk will bankroll it. Musk is fed up with establishment disinfo and 2 tier justice.

I said he was jailed for contempt of court. You agreed he was. How is that me "starting with establishment lies"? 

 

Bizarre comment.

 

Just because you think there was some unproven ulterior motive doesn't make it any less of a fact.

 

The rest of your post is irrelevant to my comment.

 

4 minutes ago, Baht Simpson said:

I said he was jailed for contempt of court. You agreed he was. How is that me "starting with establishment lies"? 

 

Bizarre comment.

 

Just because you think there was some unproven ulterior motive doesn't make it any less of a fact.

 

The rest of your post is irrelevant to my comment.

 

Say you haven't watched Silenced, without saying you haven't watched Silenced😁. It is an incredible piece of investigative journalism and he brings ALL the receipts.

11 hours ago, JonnyF said:

 

Or one of their own.

 

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/trial-suspended-labour-councillor-ricky-102316694.html

 

2 tier timeframes. 2 tier justice.

 

Justice delayed is justice denied.  

 

 

If he's guilty, he should get the same level of jail as everyone else.

 

What you've failed to state here is that he pleaded not guilty, so will go to trial. The ones that were sent down all pleaded guilty, so were sentenced quickly. 

 

 

Way off topic post and reply removed.

 

UPDATE:

 

Distrust of Police, Not Racism or Far Right Drove Children to Participate in Southport Riots

Contrary to what she described as the “prevailing narrative,” De Souza emphasized that the actions of the children were not driven by far-right, anti-immigration, or racist views, nor by misinformation spread online. 

 

5 hours ago, spot said:

 

If he's guilty, he should get the same level of jail as everyone else.

 

He will be found guilty. There is video evidence of him saying it. Not even Starmer's 2 tier justice system could return not guilty this time.  

 

He'll get a suspended sentence though. He ticks all the right boxes.  

 

5 hours ago, spot said:

 

What you've failed to state here is that he pleaded not guilty, so will go to trial. The ones that were sent down all pleaded guilty, so were sentenced quickly. 

 

 

 

So why was the trial delayed? Any ideas?

 

I'll give you a clue. The judge is left. Sadiq Khan central. Both Labour, like Ricky Jones. 

 

 

Ricky and Sadiq (at the "Black Tube" map launch).

 

10 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Say you haven't watched Silenced, without saying you haven't watched Silenced😁. It is an incredible piece of investigative journalism and he brings ALL the receipts.

I'm sure it's very entertaining. But my comment was about contempt of court. Your switch and bait won't work. 🙂

42 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

He will be found guilty. There is video evidence of him saying it. Not even Starmer's 2 tier justice system could return not guilty this time.  

 

He'll get a suspended sentence though. He ticks all the right boxes.  

 

 

So why was the trial delayed? Any ideas?

 

I'll give you a clue. The judge is left. Sadiq Khan central. Both Labour, like Ricky Jones. 

 

 

Ricky and Sadiq (at the "Black Tube" map launch).

 

Thank you Jonny for demonstrating exactly how the politics of grievance mongering works.

 

Your first dreamt up cause for grievance fails to materialize, so you dream up another with equally imaginative conspiracies and predictions.

 

I’m sure we can look forward to your next rendition when this one fails to deliver on your hopes.

14 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

So he was not a terrorist, and WAS a christian Welsh choirboy then? 

 

I'm just so sorry for those middle aged housewives and gentlemen with no previous record who were jailed for "misinformation" that was technically true. Similar to Tommy.

He wasn't an illegal immigrant or asylum seeker.  I'm not sorry for anyone who tried to or encouraged people to burn down hotels and hostels and murder people.

59 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Thank you Jonny for demonstrating exactly how the politics of grievance mongering works.

 

Your first dreamt up cause for grievance fails to materialize, so you dream up another with equally imaginative conspiracies and predictions.

 

I’m sure we can look forward to your next rendition when this one fails to deliver on your hopes.

 

Let's see what happens in August, assuming it's not delayed for another 7 months to 2026. 

23 hours ago, Petemcc64 said:

I'm not being disrespectful but you are obviously an online Guardian reader and watch the BBC. 

 

 

You say you're not being disrespectful but immediately attempt to discredit the poster you're replying to by labelling them as an “online Guardian reader” and “BBC watcher.”

This is an ad hominem attack and not a substantive argument. Where he gets their news from is irrelevant to the facts at hand.

1 hour ago, JonnyF said:

 

Let's see what happens in August, assuming it's not delayed for another 7 months to 2026. 

I was going to say that’s a big improvement, but you squeezed in another sullen assumption.

Nevertheless, it is a step in the rational direction.

On 1/27/2025 at 9:59 PM, JonnyF said:

Badenoch is 100% right.

Yvette Cooper labelled the protesters criminals before they even had a trial. In fact before some were even arrested. 

https://freespeechunion.org/fsu-writes-to-home-secretary-yvette-cooper-over-prejudicial-criminals-tweet-2/

In contrast, Starmer tried to bury information about the child slayer under the guise of providing a fair trial. 

2 Tier Britain under Starmer. Shameful.  

 

No politician should opine on a criminal case. They can prejudice a case. That's how criminals  are let off. The fact is that  PM Starmer was right and his position resulted in a very strong sentence for the murder.

 

23 hours ago, Petemcc64 said:

Now Stasi Starmer labelled them all 'right wing'. Let me tell you, with 19 years in the criminal justice scheme in 2 countries, including 5.5 years as a prison officer in Australia, I have never come across a piece of S### rioter or thug who was anywhere near right wing, indeed if anything they were super left. So Starmer mislabeled common criminals as right wing and bundled in concerned citizens, just labelling everything 'right wing extremism'. He then made a statement that people would be arrested, refused bail and put before the court. This ended up in a number of people who were caught up in non-violent incidents, being charged with the top-tier offence and being scared into pleading guilty for fear of spending months and months on remand. That to me was a clear attempt by Starmer to pervert the course of justice.

As for prejudicing any trial, the only way he would be found not guilty would be if he was already dead. He was at the scene, he was witnessed by many people killing and maiming, he was caught with the weapon, there will have been forensic evidence all over him, there is nothing that could compromise any trial. Like I said I have been around the system a while and know what is what. That was just Starmer trying to dig his way out of the hole he dug for himself. 

Now, seeing as you have an opinion, perhaps you could tell me the legal grounds by which his trial could be compromised if any and all information was released? 

Rioters are often right-wing. I can think of many examples of right-wing violence— the US Capitol, neo-Nazi groups, or football hooligans. 

As former police officer you will know well about political scapegoating, being blamed for government failures or being forced to enforce politically motivated laws.  

If Starmer had genuinely perverted the course of justice, where is the legal challenge?

You say pretrial publicity can't compromise a trial because the killer was caught red-handed with forensic evidence. You obviously misunderstand the principle of fair trial. In democratic legal systems, guilt must be determined by due process, not public opinion. Prejudicial media coverage influences juries, there is a risk that a trial will be deemed unfair. High-profile cases in the UK have been compromised by media coverage, leading to retrials or even case dismissals. That’s why legal safeguards exist—to ensure justice is based on evidence, not a media frenzy.

Remember the Levi Bellfield case, where the trial almost collapsed due to media involvement. This was a landmark example of why media coverage must be controlled to avoid prejudicing a jury.

As a police officer, you served the State, not the Law. Have you ever enforced policies set by politicians?

If so, you will have cracked down harder on certain groups while being more lenient toward others, depending on the political policy.

9 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

The fact is that  PM Starmer was right and his position resulted in a very strong sentence for the murder.

 

Your post contradicts itself and misunderstands the role of the judiciary. If Starmer’s comments really influenced sentencing, that would indicate a failure of judicial independence, not a success. The strongest sentences come from fair trials and due process, not political grandstanding.

22 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I’ve not seen any appeals on that basis, have you?

 

Where they successful?

 

Agree. Why have the courts not intervened? Defendants have legal representation to challenge any unfair charges.

1 hour ago, Neeranam said:

guilt must be determined by due process, not public opinion.

Absolutely. Even the Southport killer should get due process. What some people don't understand is that protection is for all our benefit.

 

It's worth watching this again. 

 

 

6 hours ago, JonnyF said:

 

He will be found guilty. There is video evidence of him saying it. Not even Starmer's 2 tier justice system could return not guilty this time.  

 

He'll get a suspended sentence though. He ticks all the right boxes.  

 

 

So why was the trial delayed? Any ideas?

 

I'll give you a clue. The judge is left. Sadiq Khan central. Both Labour, like Ricky Jones. 

 

 

Ricky and Sadiq (at the "Black Tube" map launch).

 

Conspiracy spreading. No evidence. I don't know why the trial was delayed, I haven't got the time to delve into it. Other, bigger things to focus on at the moment. Maybe you find out and let us know?

Just shouting 2 tier at everything you don't agree with and posting photos of people in the same political party at the same functions, is not evidence of anything.

 

 

1 hour ago, Baht Simpson said:

Absolutely. Even the Southport killer should get due process. What some people don't understand is that protection is for all our benefit.

 

It's worth watching this again. 

 

 

True. Some people don't understand this, never will.

10 minutes ago, spot said:

Conspiracy spreading. No evidence. I don't know why the trial was delayed, I haven't got the time to delve into it. Other, bigger things to focus on at the moment. Maybe you find out and let us know?

Just shouting 2 tier at everything you don't agree with and posting photos of people in the same political party at the same functions, is not evidence of anything.

 

 

 

The evidence is that he is still walking around a free man while the social media posters rot behind bars. 

 

Justice delayed is justice denied.