Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

They were criminals, they were engaged in criminal activity.

 

So why didn't they tweet that the child killer was guilty before the trial?

 

He was engaged in murder after all. 

Just now, JonnyF said:

 

And neither should be labelled as guilty by the government until found so in a court of law.

 

In this case, one was, one wasn't. 

 

Classic Labour you might say. 

Did the Government label them ‘guilty’?

Just now, JonnyF said:

 

So why didn't they tweet that the child killer was guilty before the trial?

 

He was engaged in murder after all. 

For the reasons explained to you above.

 

 

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Did the Government label them ‘guilty’?

 

So they were innocent criminals? 😄

1 minute ago, JonnyF said:

 

So why didn't they tweet that the child killer was guilty before the trial?

 

He was engaged in murder after all. 

 

Isn't there a huge difference in making the claim that a large group or groups are behaving in a criminal manner....where no one individual is identified......compared to claiming an individual is guilty of a crime.....?

1 minute ago, Will B Good said:

 

Isn't there a huge difference in making the claim that a large group or groups are behaving in a criminal manner....where no one individual is identified......compared to claiming an individual is guilty of a crime.....?

 

Didn't say acting in a criminal manner.

 

Called them criminals.

 

Some were not guilty of a crime and were not even arrested.

 

Didn't mention the child slayer was "acting in a murderous manner either" funnily enough. No No No, we couldn't speak about that.  

 

 

8 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

So they were innocent criminals? 😄

No, they were found guilty of the crimes they were arrested for and charged for.

 

Officer: ‘I’m dressing you for he crimes of rotting, looting and arson’

 

Chap being arrested: ‘You can’t, I haven’t been convicted of those crimes’.

 

Witness: ‘I saw the chap being arrested engage in rioting, looting, and arson’.

 

Chap under arrest: ‘No you didn’t I haven’t been convicted of any of those crimes’.

Starmer got it right, swiftly and decisively stamping out the coordinated race riots breaking out across the nation.

 

Of course those who sympathize with such criminal behaviour might disagree, but not the wider public.

 

Badenoch needs to find another dead horse to flog:

 

https://au.news.yahoo.com/exclusive-support-among-voters-keir-100039464.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAALasIUCi1xTTOs8M-ANjmcCnjq_Hwk14go30b0RWJ9T6XdzrFBblxv_R2s0N-6d5bhgLbNV50Q2S4VbHHAgq1vMFFaWtaEstmfdOFZg-rk8v0wUPBguRQcLVfi1aO2ygq2dHaFbFXCJaAEM9fQRiqpxRH2O4c51ENB2gVXvQcvq9

1 hour ago, Will B Good said:

Serious concerns being expressed on the Tory benches about Badenoch and her obsession with trying denigrate Starmer on silly issues rather than putting forward solutions to serious problems.

 

Bring back Boris I say......best PM the country has ever had.

yes yes lookwhat he did for mental illness

Just now, portisaacozzy said:

yes yes lookwhat he did for mental illness

 

Double it?

50 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

No, they were found guilty of the crimes they were arrested for and charged for.

 

Officer: ‘I’m dressing you for he crimes of rotting, looting and arson’

 

Chap being arrested: ‘You can’t, I haven’t been convicted of those crimes’.

 

Witness: ‘I saw the chap being arrested engage in rioting, looting, and arson’.

 

Chap under arrest: ‘No you didn’t I haven’t been convicted of any of those crimes’.

 

Yvette Cooper: "He's a criminal. I'll go on X and tell everyone he's a criminal before he actually goes to trial".

 

"Now everyone shut up about the child slayer. We don't want to prejudice the trial". 

 

Sounds legit. 😄

 

No 2 tier justice there...

50 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Of course those who sympathize with such criminal behaviour might disagree, but not the wider public.

 

Or those who think someone who slaughtered 3 young girls with a knife has more right to a fair trial than someone who shouted at a police dog. 

1 minute ago, JonnyF said:

 

Yvette Cooper: "He's a criminal. I'll go on X and tell everyone he's a criminal before he actually goes to trial".

 

"Now everyone shut up about the child slayer. We don't want to prejudice the trial". 

 

Sounds legit. 😄

 

No 2 tier justice there...

Starmer was ought really thank Badenoch for again bringing attention to two resounding successes of justice during the first months of this new Government.

 

Coordinated race riots across the nation swiftly and decisively stamped out and criminal racist rioters, looters and arsonists convicted almost with online provocateurs of these crimes.

 

A vile heinous killer brought to justice, found guilty in a fair and safe trial, now behind bars for 52 years, hopefully to die there.

 

Badenoch is right to keep these successes in the public mind.

 

More please.

6 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

Or those who think someone who slaughtered 3 young girls with a knife has more right to a fair trial than someone who shouted at a police dog. 

Everyone has a right to a fair trial.

 

Or did you just flip on that innocent until proven guilty thing.

 

Yes Jonny you did.

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Everyone has a right to a fair trial.

 

Finally.

 

My work here is done. 

1 minute ago, JonnyF said:

 

Finally.

 

My work here is done. 

I notice you quoted my post out of context.

 

Perhaps because you are indeed ‘done’.

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

They were criminals, they were engaged in criminal activity.

 

You seem to think the presumption of innocence is something that existed outside the justice system.

 

It does not.

 

The Government responded firmly and swiftly to coordinated race riots across the country.

 

Law abiding people appreciate such swift action in resorting public order.

 

 

They are not so swift if Muslims are involved.

8 minutes ago, olongapo said:

They are not so swift if Muslims are involved.

 

Or one of their own.

 

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/trial-suspended-labour-councillor-ricky-102316694.html

 

2 tier timeframes. 2 tier justice.

 

Justice delayed is justice denied.  

 

5 hours ago, JonnyF said:

Badenoch is 100% right.

 

Yvette Cooper labelled the protesters criminals before they even had a trial. In fact before some were even arrested. 

 

https://freespeechunion.org/fsu-writes-to-home-secretary-yvette-cooper-over-prejudicial-criminals-tweet-2/

 

In contrast, Starmer tried to bury information about the child slayer under the guise of providing a fair trial. 

 

2 Tier Britain under Starmer. Shameful.  

Ah, the old far right “2 Tier Britain” slur.

 I actually agree that double standards are in play here.

Environment campaigners are jailed for up to 5 years for planning (not committing) to cause disruption on a motorway.

Rich landowners driving tractors worth £100k+ bring chaos to London by blocking Whitehall and the surrounding area yet are given a free pass.

Yup. That’s 2 tier Britain in my book!

2 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I guess you would Starmer to make statements that might very well put the trial of this heinous killer at risk of collapsing?

 

 

You haven't answered the very relevant point made by @Petemcc64, that with the overwhelming evidence  against the children's killer, it would be virtually impossible to put his trial at risk of collapsing.

16 minutes ago, Red Forever said:

Ah, the old far right “2 Tier Britain” slur.

 I actually agree that double standards are in play here.

Environment campaigners are jailed for up to 5 years for planning (not committing) to cause disruption on a motorway.

Rich landowners driving tractors worth £100k+ bring chaos to London by blocking Whitehall and the surrounding area yet are given a free pass.

 

Could you elucidate on what Laws were broken by the Farmers, who went through the due process for such events, by registering it with the Police ?

1 hour ago, olongapo said:

They are not so swift if Muslims are involved.

Yet more self stroked grievance.

 

 

47 minutes ago, herfiehandbag said:

You haven't answered the very relevant point made by @Petemcc64, that with the overwhelming evidence  against the children's killer, it would be virtually impossible to put his trial at risk of collapsing.

Is ‘virtually impossible’ a risk you would be happy with?

 

Or do you share my view that it was entirely correct to avoid even the slightest possibility of of a mistrial, especially when there was absolutely no reason to provide any statements that could give rise to that happening?

 

 

1 hour ago, JonnyF said:

 

Or one of their own.

 

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/trial-suspended-labour-councillor-ricky-102316694.html

 

2 tier timeframes. 2 tier justice.

 

Justice delayed is justice denied.  

 

A reminder that you have changed tack on that case, your previous self stroked grievance being your assertion that the verdict would be handed down on the same day as Trump’s inauguration.

That didn’t happen so you dream up your next reason to feel aggrieved.

 

4 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Is ‘virtually impossible’ a risk you would be happy with?

 

Or do you share my view that it was entirely correct to avoid even the slightest possibility of of a mistrial, especially when there was absolutely no reason to provide any statements that could give rise to that happening?

 

 

Clearly not a risk that was considered when making statements before the arrest and trials of protesters, rioters(?) or social media posters.

8 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

A reminder that you have changed tack on that case, your previous self stroked grievance being your assertion that the verdict would be handed down on the same day as Trump’s inauguration.

That didn’t happen so you dream up your next reason to feel aggrieved.

 

The protesters, rioters(?) or social media posters were arrested, tried and sentenced quickly and efficiently, exactly in line with the Home Office and Starmer's announcements before their arrest.

 

Ricky Jones (Labour councillor) was caught on video making his statements demanding that throats should be cut. It will be over a year before his case will even come to trial.

 

 

2 minutes ago, herfiehandbag said:

Clearly not a risk that was considered when making statements before the arrest and trials of protesters, rioters(?) or social media posters.

They can appeal if they feel they have been denied justice.

 

Imagine now if the Heinous killer did the same, this forum would light up with demands for Starmer to be held accountable.

 

There is also another important point, which of course is being ignored by people who don’t like the fact the race rioters faced swift and stiff justice.

 

The race riots were coordinated and breaking out across the nation, the Government’s messaging was very clear, join the riots and you will face justice. This was absolutely the right message to send, and it worked. 
Within days of rioters being convicted the riots stopped. 

 

Again, thank you to Badenoch for reminding the public of two excellent law and order results  for the Government.

 

 

16 minutes ago, herfiehandbag said:

The protesters, rioters(?) or social media posters were arrested, tried and sentenced quickly and efficiently, exactly in line with the Home Office and Starmer's announcements before their arrest.

 

Ricky Jones (Labour councillor) was caught on video making his statements demanding that throats should be cut. It will be over a year before his case will even come to trial.

 

 

The rioters were almost all tried in magistrates courts.

 

Ricky Jones (Labour Councillor) is being tried in front of a full jury, the timing of which is determined by the court availability.

 

Here’s an example of the trial of one of those involved in provoking the race riots taking time to be processed.

 

So no not all were tried quickly.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/jan/06/key-architect-of-riots-after-southport-attack-jailed-for-seven-and-a-half-years

 

 

 

Could the rioters not have used the "prejudicing their case" gambit at their trials?

43 minutes ago, Purdey said:

Could the rioters not have used the "prejudicing their case" gambit at their trials?

They could try.

 

It seems none have.

 

Perhaps Badenoch is manufacturing outrage.