My Thai Tax Office Tax Filing Experience...

[CallumWK]

3 minutes ago, NoDisplayName said:

Why would you file when your ASSESSABLE remittances are zero?

 

Why would you declare NON assessable funds, when there is no provision on the tax forms to deduct them?

 

I have a tax ID for many years, but haven't remitted any funds to Thailand in recent years, though I claim back withholding taxes every year.

So this year, when I went to the revenue office, I asked the lady who could speak English well.

If you remit funds to Thailand, and the total is below the threshold of your tax free allowance, you don't need to file.

But if the total is higher than your tax free allowance, you need to file, regardless if they are assessable or not.

[LOG54]

6 minutes ago, NoDisplayName said:

 

Why would you do that?

 

Why would you file when your ASSESSABLE remittances are zero?

 

Why would you declare NON assessable funds, when there is no provision on the tax forms to deduct them?

 

Why would you declare NON assessable funds at all, when WE self-determine whether remittances must be declared?

 

If you couldn't file online, you could have simply said "I only brought in savings, no salary or pension" and not given any numbers at all.

Pls read before arguing..I said this is the testimony of someone who went to one RD office close to Chiang Mai, not me.. and according to the majority of testimonies RD offices ask for copy of the bank books where transfers appear

[CallumWK]

1 minute ago, LOG54 said:

Pls read before arguing..I said this is the testimony of someone who went to one RD office close to Chiang Mai, not me.. and according to the majority of testimonies RD offices ask for copy of the bank books where transfers appear

 

In fact, in the Jomtien revenue office, there is a document at the counters where you file your returns, that they want a bank statement for the whole year of those accounts

[NoDisplayName]

On 3/7/2025 at 6:20 PM, aldriglikvid said:

Own a local thai brokerage account and received 200k in dividends from a Thai company - of which 15% immediately was taxed as per withholding tax. 

 

Just wondering.......what Thai companies are you invested in?  Average dividend payout on the SET is 3.5%.

 

So if just average companies, you've got 5,714,285 baht invested?

[NoDisplayName]

4 minutes ago, LOG54 said:

Pls read before arguing..I said this is the testimony of someone who went to one RD office close to Chiang Mai, not me.. and according to the majority of testimonies RD offices ask for copy of the bank books where transfers appear

 

Sure............ASSESSABLE transfers.

 

They don't need statements, or anything, showing something not declared.  NON assessable remittances are not income, and do not enter into the PIT calculations.

 

Anywho, I thought you were reporting in the third person.

[redwood1]

46 minutes ago, NoDisplayName said:

 

Why would you do that?

 

Why would you file when your ASSESSABLE remittances are zero?

 

Why would you declare NON assessable funds, when there is no provision on the tax forms to deduct them?

 

Why would you declare NON assessable funds at all, when WE self-determine whether remittances must be declared?

 

If you couldn't file online, you could have simply said "I only brought in savings, no salary or pension" and not given any numbers at all.

 

Well some of the posters in these tax treads are hell bent on paying taxes no matter what anyone says......And they will beat down the door of the tax office demanding to be allowed to pay taxes, no matter how often they are turned away.....Even if they have been told repeatedly they dont need to file...

 

Yes its simply unbelievable to most of us....But true....

[NoDisplayName]

40 minutes ago, CallumWK said:

If you remit funds to Thailand, and the total is below the threshold of your tax free allowance, you don't need to file.

But if the total is higher than your tax free allowance, you need to file, regardless if they are assessable or not.

 

Wow!  Another TRD staffer that doesn't know tax regulations.

Both statements incorrect.

 

Hub of "Makin' it up as ya goes Along"

[CallumWK]

1 minute ago, NoDisplayName said:

 

Wow!  Another TRD staffer that doesn't know tax regulations.

Both statements incorrect.

 

Hub of "Makin' it up as ya goes Along"

 

And what are your qualifications, other than trolling?

[NoDisplayName]

10 minutes ago, CallumWK said:

 

And what are your qualifications, other than trolling?

 

Me?  Reading the tax reg'lations.

You can find most of it in English.

Pretty straightforward as to who has to file and when.

[CallumWK]

18 hours ago, NoDisplayName said:

19 hours ago, CallumWK said:

If you remit funds to Thailand, and the total is below the threshold of your tax free allowance, you don't need to file.

But if the total is higher than your tax free allowance, you need to file, regardless if they are assessable or not.

Wow!  Another TRD staffer that doesn't know tax regulations.

Both statements incorrect.

 

Hub of "Makin' it up as ya goes Along"

 

18 hours ago, NoDisplayName said:

18 hours ago, CallumWK said:

 

And what are your qualifications, other than trolling?

Me?  Reading the tax reg'lations.

You can find most of it in English.

Pretty straightforward as to who has to file and when.

 

 

You mean like these? Of course you will know it all better.

 

https://www.expattaxthailand.com/your-questions-answered/

 

 

 

[TheAppletons]

22 hours ago, CallumWK said:

 

I have a tax ID for many years, but haven't remitted any funds to Thailand in recent years, though I claim back withholding taxes every year.

So this year, when I went to the revenue office, I asked the lady who could speak English well.

If you remit funds to Thailand, and the total is below the threshold of your tax free allowance, you don't need to file.

But if the total is higher than your tax free allowance, you need to file, regardless if they are assessable or not.

 

   As you have pointed out, if you have no assessable income then you don't need to file.

 

  That makes your "lady" wrong when she stated that "if the total is higher than your tax free allowance, you need to file, regardless if they are assessable or not."  No, you don't.  

 

  You can remit non-assessable income well in excess of the "tax free allowance" and never have to file.

 

  

 

  

[CallumWK]

10 minutes ago, TheAppletons said:

 

   As you have pointed out, if you have no assessable income then you don't need to file.

 

  That makes your "lady" wrong when she stated that "if the total is higher than your tax free allowance, you need to file, regardless if they are assessable or not."  No, you don't.  

 

  You can remit non-assessable income well in excess of the "tax free allowance" and never have to file.

 

  

 

  

 

Yes I mis formulated my post, and misread the post which I replied to.

 

The point I tried to make was actually contradicting scaremonger heineken, who claims everyone has to file a return, or don't get a visa extension anymore

[NoDisplayName]

3 hours ago, CallumWK said:

You mean like these? Of course you will know it all better.

 

Yes, like those.

 

Your particular TRD staffer was misteaken.  Just as the one earlier who had someone declare their non-assessable income, and then fudge a makeshift method to deduct it......

 

Don't expect all the staffers everywhere to be up to speed on the new laws.  Do your own research.

[UKresonant]

On 3/9/2025 at 12:45 PM, CallumWK said:

 

I have a tax ID for many years, but haven't remitted any funds to Thailand in recent years, though I claim back withholding taxes every year.

So this year, when I went to the revenue office, I asked the lady who could speak English well.

If you remit funds to Thailand, and the total is below the threshold of your tax free allowance, you don't need to file.

But if the total is higher than your tax free allowance, you need to file, regardless if they are assessable or not.

Have to wonder if she knows that TH RD are not trawling below a certain level, say 400 or 500k? That would allow that choice. But make doubly sure you don't owe any tax in case of spot check.

 

60k

190k (over 65)

100k (50%of pension)

Other allowances

150k Zero tax band 

 

Not much meat below 500k if only remitted pensions, of over 65s.

Probably not worth looking at less than 800k, for such a grouping, would seem a poor application of resources perhaps?

 

 

[CallumWK]

Just stumbled on this website, and found it to explain things pretty good in a simple way.

 

https://taxsummaries.pwc.com/thailand/individual/taxes-on-personal-income

 

[oldcpu]

27 minutes ago, CallumWK said:

Just stumbled on this website, and found it to explain things pretty good in a simple way.

 

https://taxsummaries.pwc.com/thailand/individual/taxes-on-personal-income

 

 

An interesting web site, but I believe a bit out of date in at least one place. For example it states:

"Capital gains and investment income earned by a resident from sources outside Thailand are not taxable unless remitted to Thailand in the year of receipt."

That is incorrect according to por.161/162.

Further, some tax management aspects were not covered .. For example:

The "gift" section fails to mention that a gift exemption is invalid if the gift is from a person in Thailand who is using in part the gift to benefit this person giving the gift.

The DTA section is very slim at best, and it is the DTA aspects that most retired expats likely need to fully understand all nuances. The DTAs are very relevant in regards to tax management.

On tax returns,  it fails to note some income is not to be considered assessable per Royal Decree 18, and hence not included in a Thai tax calculation to assess whether a Thai tax return is required. This is very important and should not be overlooked, but yet it was overlooked.

I believe the content associated with the link is in need of an update.

[CallumWK]

3 minutes ago, oldcpu said:

An interesting web site, but I believe a bit out of date in at least one place. For example it states:

"Capital gains and investment income earned by a resident from sources outside Thailand are not taxable unless remitted to Thailand in the year of receipt."

 

Clearly explained here

Residents who derive assessable income derived from outside Thailand would only be subject to tax if such income is earned in any tax year starting from 1 January 2024 onwards and is remitted to Thailand, wholly or partially, in the same or a later tax year.

 

As for the rest of your remarks, yes indeed the website is not 300 pages long, so will have some details missing.

[oldcpu]

7 minutes ago, CallumWK said:

 

Clearly explained here

Residents who derive assessable income derived from outside Thailand would only be subject to tax if such income is earned in any tax year starting from 1 January 2024 onwards and is remitted to Thailand, wholly or partially, in the same or a later tax year.

 

As for the rest of your remarks, yes indeed the website is not 300 pages long, so will have some details missing.

True, but read what it states about capital gains, where the article contradicts itself. .. contrary to por.161/162.

[CallumWK]

7 minutes ago, oldcpu said:

True, but read what it states about capital gains, where the article contradicts itself. .. contrary to por.161/162.

 

Not sure what you try to say.

I'm not a native English speaker, but from what is written I can clearly understand that prior to 2024 income was only taxable if it was remitted in the same year.

Starting from1/1/2024 income earned after that date is taxable regardless of what year in the future you're gonna remit it.

[bamnutsak]

On 3/10/2025 at 5:00 PM, TheAppletons said:

You can remit non-assessable income well in excess of the "tax free allowance" and never have to file.

 

This seems to be a reasonable assessment of the current situation.

 

For those who "never have to file," how will they obtain the "RD Clearance Document" that many claim Immigration will require when, for example, applying for an Extension of Stay?

 

 

[CallumWK]

5 hours ago, bamnutsak said:

 

This seems to be a reasonable assessment of the current situation.

 

For those who "never have to file," how will they obtain the "RD Clearance Document" that many claim Immigration will require when, for example, applying for an Extension of Stay?

 

 

 

Many claim the requirement for that document?

I've seen only 1 scaremonger who has made that unfounded claim maybe 200 times

[oldcpu]

9 hours ago, CallumWK said:

 

Not sure what you try to say.

I'm not a native English speaker, but from what is written I can clearly understand that prior to 2024 income was only taxable if it was remitted in the same year.

Starting from1/1/2024 income earned after that date is taxable regardless of what year in the future you're gonna remit it.

I am trying to say the section in that link on Capital Gains and investment income is out of date and no longer correct.

[oldcpu]

8 hours ago, bamnutsak said:

 

For those who "never have to file," how will they obtain the "RD Clearance Document" that many claim Immigration will require when, for example, applying for an Extension of Stay?

 

 

 

Many are not claiming this.

 

There is most only one person persistently making such a claim.

 

I think the point is if the Thai government wanted to ensure long term expats file a tax return,  there is a way they could do such.

 

However nothing official has been coming out of the many immigration offices in this regard for extensions. Just the opposite,  where many have posted of successful 1 year extensions with no mention of Thai tax certificates being needed. 

[short-Timer]

3 hours ago, oldcpu said:

 

Many are not claiming this.

 

There is most only one person persistently making such a claim.

 

I think the point is if the Thai government wanted to ensure long term expats file a tax return,  there is a way they could do such.

 

However nothing official has been coming out of the many immigration offices in this regard for extensions. Just the opposite,  where many have posted of successful 1 year extensions with no mention of Thai tax certificates being needed. 

I extended at CW last month. No mention of any tax certificates or copies of tax filings being needed. So this year, at least so far, it seems like there is no requirement for this fro. Immigration. But going forward who knows. We just have to wait and see. Things can always change in Thailand and often they do.