Democracy is Failing the Young – No Wonder They Want Change

[nauseus]

22 hours ago, Baht Simpson said:

It's a bit rich (sic) of The Telegraph to criticize the rise of median prices for houses when they're bemoaning the end of double-digit price rises for property this year on their money page. 

 

Affordable housing is probably the most crucial issue for the young now, and the problem can only be rectified by getting wages higher and housing costs lower.

 

Sounds like limited and managed immigration might help sort that out. Innit?

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, nauseus said:

 

Tosh. Get away from the cities and see how the wages, health care, schooling, and housing compare.

This is a very good point.

 

I spend most of my time in the U.S. in NY, specifically in Westchester County, an affluent district with first class schools, medical facilities, though very high housing costs.

 

One need only drive forty or fifty miles West or North out into the more rural districts from Westchester and affluence picture changes dramatically, house prices plummet, public facilities are more basic and the number of late model cars seen declines. People are struggling.

 

What’s more stark is that this negative gradient of affluence has increased markedly over the past thirty years.

 

Blue collar workers and increasingly the middle class are having the fruits of their labour stripped from them and passed up to the Billionaires now unquestionably running America.

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

10 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

This is a very good point.

 

I spend most of my time in the U.S. in NY, specifically in Westchester County, an affluent district with first class schools, medical facilities, though very high housing costs.

 

One need only drive forty or fifty miles West or North out into the more rural districts from Westchester and affluence picture changes dramatically, house prices plummet, public facilities are more basic and the number of late model cars seen declines. People are struggling.

 

What’s more stark is that this negative gradient of affluence has increased markedly over the past thirty years.

 

Blue collar workers and increasingly the middle class are having the fruits of their labour stripped from them and passed up to the Billionaires now unquestionably running America.

 

 

Quite a few Walter Mitty types live there I have been told

[mogandave]

15 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

1. Increasing the number of people drives up prices of housing if they are buying houses. If they are not buying houses, and for example living in multi occupancy accommodation that is not housing in the market and there has no impact on house prices. I’m sure you are aware the common practice of immigrants sharing often very crowded multi occupancy accommodation.

There other far more impactful issues, refer link below.

When I asked if more people requiring housing increases the cost of housing, not the price of homes. 

 

So does more people wanting to rent drive up the price of rent?

 

Do higher rent prices drive up the price of homes?

 

 

15 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

 

2. Not necessarily. I linked examples of corporations that are paying zero or very near zero corporation taxes. 
2A. Tax breakers given to corporations during Trump’s first term were often used to fatten corporate accounts and share buy backs.

So are you saying that the cost of labor drives prices up, but the cost of taxes does not? 

 

If corporate income taxes were eliminated, there would be no tax avoidance schemes.

15 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

 

Do no there is no simplistic link between population and house prices, nor is there a simplistic link between corporate taxes and retail prices.

There is only supply and demand, which you have to ignore in your arguments. 

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

13 minutes ago, mogandave said:

When I asked if more people requiring housing increases the cost of housing, not the price of homes. 

 

So does more people wanting to rent drive up the price of rent?

 

Do higher rent prices drive up the price of homes?

 

 

So are you saying that the cost of labor drives prices up, but the cost of taxes does not? 

 

If corporate income taxes were eliminated, there would be no tax avoidance schemes.

There is only supply and demand, which you have to ignore in your arguments. 

 

 

I have already answered your questions and provided an explanation with why your simplistic view is precisely that, simplistic.

 

I even provided a link to an explanation of the more significant issues impacting housing.

 

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If corporate taxes were eliminated there would be an even bigger growth in the wealth distribution gap fueled by the National deficit and cuts to public services, welfare, social security, Medicare/Medicaid, infrastructure, education, disaster support etc.

 

 

Try to work out which side of that equation you are on.

 

[Purdey]

On 2/1/2025 at 9:26 AM, JonnyF said:

Democracy isn't failing. 

 

The trouble is we elect parties based on promises and then they do the opposite. Like the Tories on immigration or Labour on just about everything. 

 

That's why reform are leading the polls and will win the next election. 

 

Let's hope they "do a Trump" and do exactly what they promised. 

 

Mass deportations number 1. 

Don't forget the price of eggs. 

[mogandave]

26 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I have already answered your questions and provided an explanation with why your simplistic view is precisely that, simplistic.

 

I even provided a link to an explanation of the more significant issues impacting housing.

 

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If corporate taxes were eliminated there would be an even bigger growth in the wealth distribution gap fueled by the National deficit and cuts to public services, welfare, social security, Medicare/Medicaid, infrastructure, education, disaster support etc.

 

 

Try to work out which side of that equation you are on.

 

Supply and demand does not apply, got it. 

[Chomper Higgot]

29 minutes ago, mogandave said:

Supply and demand does not apply, got it. 

Supply and demand is only one part of the equation.

 

Oh and ‘supply’ needs workers to deliver the supply.

[mogandave]

20 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Supply and demand is only one part of the equation.

 

Oh and ‘supply’ needs workers to deliver the supply.

Of course, but in a market economy. more people needing housing drives housing prices up, and lower overhead (taxes) drives prices down. 

 

You can pretend it’s not true, and you can post links to articles that pretend it’s not true, but it is true. 

 

You support open borders and mass migration. I don’t. I believe it benefits the rich, on the backs of the poor. 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

3 minutes ago, mogandave said:

Of course, but in a market economy. more people needing housing drives housing prices up, and lower overhead (taxes) drives prices down. 

 

You can pretend it’s not true, and you can post links to articles that pretend it’s not true, but it is true. 

 

You support open borders and mass migration. I don’t. I believe it benefits the rich, on the backs of the poor. 

 

I’ve provided you a link to an article that explains the issues beyond to the simplistic view you are wedded to.

 

Now we are going to do care-run of me calling out your baseless accusations:

 

“You support open borders and mass migration”

 

Can you please provide a quote of me stating I support open borders and mass migration?

 

I suggest you retract early, because you know this is going to go.

[mogandave]

8 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I’ve provided you a link to an article that explains the issues beyond to the simplistic view you are wedded to.

 

Now we are going to do care-run of me calling out your baseless accusations:

 

“You support open borders and mass migration”

 

Can you please provide a quote of me stating I support open borders and mass migration?

 

I suggest you retract early, because you know this is going to go.

Articles from academics the promote and benefit from open borders and mass migration.

 

If you support closing the border. stopping mass migration and deportation of people in the country illegally, than I apologize. 

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, mogandave said:

Articles from academics the promote and benefit from open borders and mass migration.

 

If you support closing the border. stopping mass migration and deportation of people in the country illegally, than I apologize. 

No what you need to apologize is your baseless allegation:

 

“You support open borders and mass migration”

Can you please provide a quote from me in which I do, or retract your allegation.

 

 

[mogandave]

3 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

No what you need to apologize is your baseless allegation:

 

“You support open borders and mass migration”

Can you please provide a quote from me in which I do, or retract your allegation.

 

 

No, I’ve been reading you long enough to know that while you would never say it openly, you (like Biden and Harris) support them, you clearly do. 

 

That you refuse to support the closing the border, stopping mass migration and deportation of people in the country illegally supports that.

 

You also want to pretend higher demand does increase prices, and lower costs do not reduce prices. 

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, mogandave said:

No, I’ve been reading you long enough to know that while you would never say it openly, you (like Biden and Harris) support them, you clearly do. 

 

That you refuse to support the closing the border, stopping mass migration and deportation of people in the country illegally supports that.

 

You also want to pretend higher demand does increase prices, and lower costs do not reduce prices. 

Closing the border isn’t a thing.

 

How you getting on with that quote?

 

 

[mogandave]

2 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Closing the border isn’t a thing.

 

How you getting on with that quote?

 

 

Great, you?