Kalasin tax office today- result!

[Scouse123]

OK Guys,

 

They have now got the memo here regarding foreigner tax.

 

I produced all documents, all printed from Barclays UK corresponding to my KTB account.

 

This was a SENIOR officer. Plenty of gold braiding on his shoulders.

 

He took my documents as he was required urgently in another meeting.

 

I have kept trace documents since arriving in Thailand all those years ago with explanations for all monies prior to this tax change.

 

He was pleasant, polite, told me he would copy, upload and return my documents.

 

He thanked me on excellent easy to follow paperwork

 

After a quick scan through, he believed I had nothing to worry about, but he would enter in the system I had followed regulations.

 

A final meeting with me tomorrow.

[Puccini]

1 hour ago, Scouse123 said:

…

They have now got the memo here regarding foreigner tax.

 

I produced all documents, all printed from Barclays UK corresponding to my KTB account.

…

He took my documents as he was required urgently in another meeting.

 

I have kept trace documents since arriving in Thailand all those years ago with explanations for all monies prior to this tax change.

…

 

Thank you for this interesting report.

 

I have some questions if you don't mind.

1. Did the Kalasin tax office call you or write to ask you to go to their office and did they specify what documents you should bring?
2. Do the documents you printed from Barclays UK show the name of the beneficiary of the transfers and the reason for them?
3. Who, at another meeting, required the tax official urgently to take your documents?
4. Did you submit your bank documents only for the calendar year 2024 or for "all those years" since you arrived in Thailand?
5. What is the status of your permission to stay, eg one-year extension for marriage, employment, retirement, etc?

It will be interesting to see how this new tax collection drive from expats develops.

 

[Scouse123]

2 hours ago, Puccini said:

 

Thank you for this interesting report.

 

I have some questions if you don't mind.

1. Did the Kalasin tax office call you or write to ask you to go to their office and did they specify what documents you should bring?
2. Do the documents you printed from Barclays UK show the name of the beneficiary of the transfers and the reason for them?
3. Who, at another meeting, required the tax official urgently to take your documents?
4. Did you submit your bank documents only for the calendar year 2024 or for "all those years" since you arrived in Thailand?
5. What is the status of your permission to stay, eg one-year extension for marriage, employment, retirement, etc?

It will be interesting to see how this new tax collection drive from expats develops.

 

1. No, I took them all voluntarily.

2. Yes, they were all transfers via WISE and I transferred from Barclays to my Thai account through WISE.

3. The senior tax official said he needed time to read, upload and check documents from me, but he could not do it there and then, as he was required in an urgent meeting about something unrelated to me.

4. I submitted only for 2024. He asked about where monies had come from and what source.

5. I am currently on 1 year retirement which expires in July, I already have also a DTV for 5 years, which will kick in and take its place from July.

 

I explained to him, I used to be in business in Thailand with limited companies, we actually retain all documents showing tax paid and I closed the companies correctly through an accountant.

 

He saw my allowances and agreed with my summary statement of what I was stating and what monies had come into the country. I showed up my WISE statement, Barclays statement tying up with it and a year printout signed and stamped from Krung Thai bank.

 

I told him I had no UK pension for another 5 years, so everything was savings from UK.

[Scouse123]

I will add the low level officials told me not to bother filing.

 

The senior official said they were wrong, they should not have said that, and he would speak to them about the new rules.

 

He was aware of the new rules, and the lower officials were not.

 

My local tax office is a small outpost with not much activity regarding foreigners.

 

I'll let you guys know the outcome tomorrow.

[CallumWK]

Friend of mine went to the Jomtien revenue office. He lives here and owns properties.

He had all documents filled in and copies of remitted funds.

Officer checked his documents and calculated that he had to pay little over 14000 baht in income tax, but said she would double check with the department that does the collection.

Few days later the revenue office called him and said he didn't owe any taxes

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

17 minutes ago, Scouse123 said:

I told him I had no UK pension for another 5 years, so everything was savings from UK.

 

OP, so, are you saying that the ONLY funds you remitted into Thailand during 2024 were savings from pre-12/31/2023 sources?

 

If so, those would be tax-exempt under the TRD's policy of exempting pre-2024 source income.

 

If that's the only funds you remitted in calendar 2024, I would be surprised to hear the supervisor there telling you you needed to file a Thai tax return.... unless you had some other non-pre-2024 income remittances.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

43 minutes ago, CallumWK said:

He had all documents filled in and copies of remitted funds.

Officer checked his documents and calculated that he had to pay little over 14000 baht in income tax, but said she would double check with the department that does the collection.

Few days later the revenue office called him and said he didn't owe any taxes

 

That's a pretty big difference between owing 14,000 THB and owing NOTHING!

 

What are they doing, throwing a dart and seeing where it lands for any given filer???  🙂

 

[KhunHeineken]

What about "The Somchai Shuffle" on your other visit/s? 

 

No need for a thank you.  You are welcome, Scouse123.

 

Do you have a TIN?  

 

Be sure the senior TRD officer gives you some type of document to prove the whole meting / interaction / notation on the data base actually occurs.  

[Scouse123]

5 hours ago, KhunHeineken said:

What about "The Somchai Shuffle" on your other visit/s? 

 

No need for a thank you.  You are welcome, Scouse123.

 

Do you have a TIN?  

 

Be sure the senior TRD officer gives you some type of document to prove the whole meting / interaction / notation on the data base actually occurs.  

 

That is happening. They sat smiling, it wasn't a Somchai, it was two women.

 

I told the senior officer that I needed documents returned and proof that he accepted my documents in the form of some kind of receipt.

 

Let's see what he says later today.

 

However, I did say to you, I had done all the bits and pieces to prove everything, I just wasn't going to submit them. I intended to hold them in a file at the house.

 

I'll do that anyway.

[Scouse123]

6 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

That's a pretty big difference between owing 14,000 THB and owing NOTHING!

 

What are they doing, throwing a dart and seeing where it lands for any given filer???  🙂

 

 

Who knows.

 

Amazing Thailand, I suppose.

[bamnutsak]

12 hours ago, Scouse123 said:

He saw my allowances and agreed with my summary statement of what I was stating and what monies had come into the country. I showed up my WISE statement, Barclays statement tying up with it and a year printout signed and stamped from Krung Thai bank.

 

 

Can you share what you think your assessable income was in 2024?

[Scouse123]

9 hours ago, bamnutsak said:

 

 

Can you share what you think your assessable income was in 2024?

 

Hi,

 

I don't think I have assessable income, because the money is from savings prior to 2024.

 

I have no pensions, I am not old enough.

 

Thai allowances I am entitled to something like 430,000 baht .

 

I cannot fully update, I haven't forgotten, however the senior officer took my phone numbers and said ' Leave it with him ' and he will phone me.

 

I really don't want to sit in their office as though I am impatient.

 

It's Thailand, they do things in their own sweet time.

[bamnutsak]

14 hours ago, Scouse123 said:

I don't think I have assessable income, because the money is from savings prior to 2024.

 

 

So your assessable income is 0 THB?

 

I'm no tax expert but my guess is that you won't owe any tax.

 

And you may not have been required to file a return.

 

[Scouse123]

20 hours ago, bamnutsak said:

 

 

So your assessable income is 0 THB?

 

I'm no tax expert but my guess is that you won't owe any tax.

 

And you may not have been required to file a return.

 

 

I left it with the Buddhist holiday, they don't like to be pushed.

 

I'll gently ask them today, now they are back at work, and report back to the board the result.

[loong]

On 2/10/2025 at 2:24 PM, Scouse123 said:

OK Guys,

 

They have now got the memo here regarding foreigner tax.

 

I produced all documents, all printed from Barclays UK corresponding to my KTB account.

 

This was a SENIOR officer. Plenty of gold braiding on his shoulders.

 

He took my documents as he was required urgently in another meeting.

 

I have kept trace documents since arriving in Thailand all those years ago with explanations for all monies prior to this tax change.

 

He was pleasant, polite, told me he would copy, upload and return my documents.

 

He thanked me on excellent easy to follow paperwork

 

After a quick scan through, he believed I had nothing to worry about, but he would enter in the system I had followed regulations.

 

A final meeting with me tomorrow.

 

Was your discussion in Thai or English?

I can speak Thai reasonably well, but far from fluent and discussions about Tax etc. are probably outside of my comfort zone.
It would be interesting to know how well English is spoken in some tax offices.

 

[Unclernie]

Don’t be stupid and volunteer anything to these nimrods. Until they have a clear and consistent law or policy in effect, you are open to being misled by the authorities who  don’t know their arse from a whole in the ground 

[Scouse123]

10 hours ago, loong said:

 

Was your discussion in Thai or English?

I can speak Thai reasonably well, but far from fluent and discussions about Tax etc. are probably outside of my comfort zone.
It would be interesting to know how well English is spoken in some tax offices.

 

 

Both languages.

 

My Thai is well capable of discussing tax issues.

[Scouse123]

25 minutes ago, Unclernie said:

Don’t be stupid and volunteer anything to these nimrods. Until they have a clear and consistent law or policy in effect, you are open to being misled by the authorities who  don’t know their arse from a whole in the ground 

 

Comment appreciated, you could well be right.

[oldcpu]

On 2/11/2025 at 5:24 PM, Scouse123 said:

 

 ...  the senior officer took my phone numbers and said ' Leave it with him ' and he will phone me.

 

I really don't want to sit in their office as though I am impatient.

 

It's Thailand, they do things in their own sweet time.

 

Last time an RD official said that to me was over 2 months ago.  They never did phone.

[Scouse123]

3 hours ago, oldcpu said:

 

Last time an RD official said that to me was over 2 months ago.  They never did phone.

 

Thanks,

 

One thing for sure, I won't get stressed any more about this despite all the AN opinionated experts on here.

[NoDisplayName]

On 2/10/2025 at 2:24 PM, Scouse123 said:

After a quick scan through, he believed I had nothing to worry about, but he would enter in the system I had followed regulations.

 

You brought in only pre-2024 savings.

You had zero assessable income.

You had no need to file.

 

What could he enter into the system?

How is he going to record in the system that you didn't need to file?

Unless you're requesting a refund of interest withholding tax, you'd be filing a return with no data other than your name and address.

[Scouse123]

10 hours ago, NoDisplayName said:

 

You brought in only pre-2024 savings.

You had zero assessable income.

You had no need to file.

 

What could he enter into the system?

How is he going to record in the system that you didn't need to file?

Unless you're requesting a refund of interest withholding tax, you'd be filing a return with no data other than your name and address.

 

Hi,

 

I totally agree.

 

I am clued on this and they aren't.

 

It has been a Comedy of errors.

 

He told me to marry my partner and that would bring my assessment down. Marry her, I don't even fu''ing like her!

 

There is no assessment, I know it.

 

Then he said I owed 5,000 baht, then he forgot my health insurance allowance.

 

It's been a complete F@@k up. On their part.

 

I don't owe anything, and he isn't trained or clued-up enough to know that.

 

I am back there at 1pm.

[Scouse123]

13 hours ago, oldcpu said:

 

Last time an RD official said that to me was over 2 months ago.  They never did phone.

 

One word about the officials I am dealing with today.

 

clueless

[oldcpu]

5 minutes ago, Scouse123 said:

 

One word about the officials I am dealing with today.

 

clueless

 

I think that a bit harsh statement.

 

In addition to the tax code, there are RD ministerial instructions, and Riyal Decrees also governing taxation  ( such as RD-18 which addresses Double Tax Agreements (DTA)) where there are dozens of different Double Tax Agreements. Addressing the tax situation of foreigners tends to more complicated than that of Thai locals.

 

It's difficult for the average RD official to stay on top of all of this.

[Scouse123]

7 minutes ago, oldcpu said:

 

I think that a bit harsh statement.

 

In addition to the tax code, there are RD ministerial instructions, and Riyal Decrees also governing taxation  ( such as RD-18 which addresses Double Tax Agreements (DTA)) where there are dozens of different Double Tax Agreements. Addressing the tax situation of foreigners tends to more complicated than that of Thai locals.

 

It's difficult for the average RD official to stay on top of all of this.

 

I am referring only to the tax allowances.

 

I provided all the documents.

[Scouse123]

9 minutes ago, oldcpu said:

 

 

It's difficult for the average RD official to stay on top of all of this.

 

Well they started it, I was happy paying nothing.😆

[Scouse123]

19 minutes ago, oldcpu said:

 

I think that a bit harsh statement.

 

In addition to the tax code, there are RD ministerial instructions, and Riyal Decrees also governing taxation  ( such as RD-18 which addresses Double Tax Agreements (DTA)) where there are dozens of different Double Tax Agreements. Addressing the tax situation of foreigners tends to more complicated than that of Thai locals.

 

It's difficult for the average RD official to stay on top of all of this.

 

There is no DTA in my case.

 

I am not old enough for a pension.

 

My money is pure savings from businesses in Thailand and the UK prior to 2024, with tax paid.

[NoDisplayName]

47 minutes ago, Scouse123 said:

 

One word about the officials I am dealing with today.

 

clueless

 

So don't file today.  Tell Mr. Braidy you're still collecting bank statements, and will file later. 

 

You have a TIN (or pink ID), file online according to the regulations, not clueless dude's interpretation.