Kalasin tax office today- result!

[Scouse123]

That is my final word on the subject.

 

Everybody else on here can do as they think fit

 

I am not doing this anymore

[NoDisplayName]

12 minutes ago, Scouse123 said:

I was there three hours.

 

He then realized he had entered my information in the wrong columns.So, a load of time wasted and he had to start again.

 

This is the problem.  The local officials don't always know their own regulations.  They won't look it up when customers, especially the foreign kind, are watching.  Then when they inevitably make a misteak, they won't admit it.  They'll keep massaging the numbers and filling in random blanks until it looks sorta, kinda, possibly not completely wrong.

 

You brought in only pre-2024 savings last year.  You had zero assessable foreign remittances, have nothing to declare, did not cross the filing threshold, and don't need to file.  Simple as that.

 

Unless you had sufficient Thai-source income, you don't gotta do nothing.  You file only if 1) you want a refund of interest withholding tax, or 2) you want to have a history of filing because you don't know what will happen in the next few years.

 

Three hours is ridiculous.  You can file online from home in your underpants in about fifteen minutes.

[Scouse123]

9 hours ago, NoDisplayName said:

 

This is the problem.  The local officials don't always know their own regulations.  They won't look it up when customers, especially the foreign kind, are watching.  Then when they inevitably make a misteak, they won't admit it.  They'll keep massaging the numbers and filling in random blanks until it looks sorta, kinda, possibly not completely wrong.

 

You brought in only pre-2024 savings last year.  You had zero assessable foreign remittances, have nothing to declare, did not cross the filing threshold, and don't need to file.  Simple as that.

 

Unless you had sufficient Thai-source income, you don't gotta do nothing.  You file only if 1) you want a refund of interest withholding tax, or 2) you want to have a history of filing because you don't know what will happen in the next few years.

 

Three hours is ridiculous.  You can file online from home in your underpants in about fifteen minutes.

 

Thank you.

 

I will now tell you what happened.

 

He filled in the wrong columns. Different columns on the computer for different stats, as in those bringing in assessable income and pensions income etc

 

He then smiled and said he had filled in the wrong columns and didn't get it why, after three hours, I was a tad unhappy.

 

He showed my partner the computer and where he had done it wrong.

 

Furthermore, he didn't know what he was doing.

 

The senior officer at another desk just continued talking on his phone and ignoring us.

 

He actually told me now I was in the system, he would rather I did it myself online.

[NoDisplayName]

3 minutes ago, Scouse123 said:

He filled in the wrong columns. Different columns on the computer for different stats, as in those bringing in assessable income and pensions income etc

 

There are no columns for NON-assessable income, and no provision for deducting if declared.

 

But go check out this other thread.

Looks like this may all turn out to be just a bad dream.

 

[bamnutsak]

On 2/10/2025 at 2:24 PM, Scouse123 said:

but he would enter in the system I had followed regulations.

 

 

Did he end up entering in the system that you followed regulations?

 

Were you given any documentation, perhaps a hard-copy of your return, proving you filed a return?

 

 

[quake]

OP

Thank you for your report.

[Scouse123]

I won't be answering any further questions on this tax .

 

Bored of it.

 

I'll take my chances.

[Scouse123]

7 hours ago, bamnutsak said:

 

 

Did he end up entering in the system that you followed regulations?

 

Were you given any documentation, perhaps a hard-copy of your return, proving you filed a return?

 

 

 

 

How can he enter anything when he had filled in the wrong columns?

 

Told me basically to do it myself ONLINE as I have access now and have been registered.

 

THREE HOURS wasted

[Scouse123]

7 hours ago, NoDisplayName said:

 

There are no columns for NON-assessable income, and no provision for deducting if declared.

 

But go check out this other thread.

Looks like this may all turn out to be just a bad dream.

 

 

SO, THAT'S HOW HE BUGGERED IT UP AND CONFUSED HIMSELF.

 

Honestly, he basically told me to do it myself online, as I now had access, and I was registered in their computer system.

[Scouse123]

Now, after all the kerfuffle.

 

They probably will do as u turn on this tax for foreigners, as they have got it, many are disgruntled.

[jayboy]

On 2/12/2025 at 8:09 AM, bamnutsak said:

 

 

So your assessable income is 0 THB?

 

I'm no tax expert but my guess is that you won't owe any tax.

 

And you may not have been required to file a return.

 

 

On the basis of what we have been told, there is no reason in this case why a tax return needs to be filed.

 

 

 

 

[KhunHeineken]

On 2/15/2025 at 7:38 AM, jayboy said:

 

On the basis of what we have been told, there is no reason in this case why a tax return needs to be filed.

 

 

 

 

On the basis of "TiT" there MAY be a need in the future for individuals to show why they didn't file.  

 

As I have said, imagine every single expat simply saying, "My income is non assessable" even when it is actually assessable.  It can't be that easy to avoid this tax. 

 

At some point, they are going to want to see proof of source.  They already know the amounts, just not the source. 

 

A tax policy without enforcement is no tax policy at all.  This policy will evolve.  Be prepared.   

[jayboy]

34 minutes ago, KhunHeineken said:

On the basis of "TiT" there MAY be a need in the future for individuals to show why they didn't file.

 

There may be though in a typical retiree's case not very likely unless red flagged for some reason.

 

38 minutes ago, KhunHeineken said:

 

As I have said, imagine every single expat simply saying, "My income is non assessable" even when it is actually assessable.  It can't be that easy to avoid this tax. 

 

 

If an individual is any doubt whether his income is assessable or not, he should seek professional advice at some point.

 

I don't really understand what point you are making .If income is assessable then a tax return is needed.If it's not then it isn't.The guidelines issued are quite clear.

45 minutes ago, KhunHeineken said:

At some point, they are going to want to see proof of source.  They already know the amounts, just not the source. 

 

A tax policy without enforcement is no tax policy at all.  This policy will evolve.  Be prepared.   

 

 

Once again the key aspect is to make sure you have proper records so you can demonstrate no asssessable tax to pay and thus no return needed.

 

Of course tax policy evolves and , as it does , adjustments are needed. It's the same everywhere.

[Denim]

On 2/15/2025 at 2:25 PM, Scouse123 said:

I won't be answering any further questions on this tax .

 

Bored of it.

 

I'll take my chances.

 

Well. Look on the bright side. It has been a learning curve. What you have learnt is that when the Thai government departments make grandoise announcements regarding new laws or crackdowns just ignore them or file them away on a dusty shelf at the back of your mind.

 

Just keep up with immigration rules and  DON't overstay your visa. Everything else can be dealt with if it becomes absolutely necessary.

 

Wife never filled in a TM30 for 30 years as I was doing 90 day visa runs.  When I was finally obliged to switch to doing an extension because of Covid the immigration officer asked for a TM 30. We looked blank and we just paid the statutory fine of 1700 baht.  No hiisy fit , nothing . All smiles and see you agains. Not bad for 30 years.

[Yumthai]

2 hours ago, KhunHeineken said:

As I have said, imagine every single expat simply saying, "My income is non assessable" even when it is actually assessable.  It can't be that easy to avoid this tax. 

It is until factually proven otherwise.

[KhunHeineken]

1 hour ago, Yumthai said:

It is until factually proven otherwise.

And you don't think the Thai's will make expats "factually prove" their income source?  

 

If they don't, every expat will not file. 

 

If they do, how do you think they will make expats do it? 

[Yumthai]

2 minutes ago, KhunHeineken said:

And you don't think the Thai's will make expats "factually prove" their income source?  

In Thailand, seeing is believing.

4 minutes ago, KhunHeineken said:

If they don't, every expat will not file. 

Most of the foreigners do not file, except the law blindly abiding ones and those oversensitive to the scaremongering tax propaganda.

 

[scottiejohn]

49 minutes ago, KhunHeineken said:

And you don't think the Thai's will make expats "factually prove" their income source?  

 

If they don't, every expat will not file. 

 

If they do, how do you think they will make expats do it? 

The scaremonger has come back from it's absence, unfortunetly!

[scottiejohn]

28 minutes ago, KhunHeineken said:

By the time you "see" it, you have to pay off an official. 

Prove it!

[scottiejohn]

40 minutes ago, KhunHeineken said:

Most western pensions go over the threshold. 

What pensions and what threshold(s).

Stupid scaremongering statement given the number of variable involved!

We are NOT all equal!

[scottiejohn]

 

 

43 minutes ago, KhunHeineken said:

I agree, and that's why it will be linked to visa extensions in the future. 

You have posted that as if it is a fact.  It is NOT!

It is only your scaremongering opinion!

All your scaremongering false "statements" should have a health warning!

[scottiejohn]

46 minutes ago, Yumthai said:

Most of the foreigners do not file, except the law blindly abiding ones and those oversensitive to the scaremongering tax propaganda.

Scaremongering mostly created by the resurrected Khun H!

[Yumthai]

42 minutes ago, KhunHeineken said:

Immigration breaches are not a criminal offense.  One can be arrested, detained, and deported, but not criminally charged, convicted, and sentenced to prison.

Fraud by illegally getting a stamp to stay in Thailand is not a criminal offense?

[Lacessit]

48 minutes ago, KhunHeineken said:

Immigration breaches are not a criminal offense.  One can be arrested, detained, and deported, but not criminally charged, convicted, and sentenced to prison.

 

Tax evasion is a criminal offense. 

 

That's why I laugh at people who are soooooooo careful with their 800k baht seed money, and their extension date, but are prepared to do nothing about this tax policy.  

 

Can you see how one may be exposed to extortion, given what's at stake, with a potential criminal charge? 

I can see the resident scaremonger and doomsayer has decided to join this thread.

 

I can't be accused of tax evasion if I am transferring funds from pre-2024 savings.

 

Tell me why I should put myself under a spotlight by going to a tax office. Tell me what crime I have committed by letting them come to me.

 

Then estimate the probability of tax officers leaving their air-conditioned offices to come and find me.

[Yumthai]

6 minutes ago, KhunHeineken said:

Not sure how the people who decide to do NOTHING will go in the future.

Yet, Nothing (meaning people continue to file/not file as they used to do for years) is certainly the wisest thing to do at this time, instead of showing a change that could attract scrutiny.

[Lacessit]

36 minutes ago, KhunHeineken said:

You can be asked to prove it.  How convenient will that be at extension time, or at an airport? 

 

Do you need the grief? 

 

For that magic piece of paper that gives you the all clear for the next 12 months.  Just the same as extension. 

 

 

One of the first on a simple Google search.

 

https://resourcehub.bakermckenzie.com/en/resources/tax-dispute-resolution---criminal-proceedings/asia-pacific/thailand/topics/international-guide-on-criminalization-of-tax-offenses#:~:text=According to section 37 bis,to BHT 200%2C000%2C or both.

 

"According to section 37 bis of the Revenue Code, any person intentionally fails to file tax return forms to evade tax shall be subject to an imprisonment of up to one year, or a fine of up to BHT 200,000, or both."

 

Now, do you see any part of the above that mentions, "only if we have to come to you?" 

 

They don't have to find you.

 

You will go to the them at extension time or at a boarder.  That's why this method of compliance and enforcement is perfect for them, but you call it scaremongering.  It's laughable.   

 

I ran out of highlighter for your whatifery. Not to mention dumbf***ery.

 

I did my last extension in November. Tax ID or returns were not mentioned.

 

My next extension will be prepared one month before the due date. Plenty of time to adjust if necessary.

 

As usual, you do not answer my question on probability, because you don't know.

 

Do your own thing. You'll then be on their radar, and be liable to be messed around by experts. Bet you haven't thought of that consequence of trying to be a goody two-shoes.

[NoDisplayName]

2 hours ago, KhunHeineken said:

I'll be filing.

 

 

It was a dark and stormy night. Suddenly, a regulation was re-interpreted!  A loophole slammed shut. The mia noi screamed.

 

Suddenly, a BMW smart car appeared at the end of the soi!  While millions of expats were starving, the tax-stamp pimps lived in luxury. 

 

Meanwhile, on a small thread in Jobs & Banking, a scaremonger was mongering....

[KhunHeineken]

4 minutes ago, CallumWK said:

 

Oh wait, your plan was to use an agent, but you probably already seen that other hread about the ILLEGAL agents

I've always said I will be using an agent.  Nothing has changed from that. 

 

I want as little dealings with Thai officials as possible, and I'm happy to pay for that privilege.

 

The agent says he can also "negotiate" my tax liability. Some business owner friends here have confirmed this possibility also.    Too funny.  Real 3rd World Country stuff. 

 

I'll give it all a try this time around.  See how it goes.  

 

I will will be legal, and rest well.  I'll have that magic document that means I am good for 12 months, no matter what the Thai's do. 

 

Unlike yourself, I actually hold his tax policy, which does have criminal offenses attached to it, in the same regard as immigration policy, and that is, it is imperative to comply. 

 

 

[Lacessit]

38 minutes ago, KhunHeineken said:

Was November2024 between 1st Jan and 31st March 2025???? 

 

Or be fined, extorted, or both. 

 

It's your decision to DO NOTHING.  You own the benefit, or the consequences.  That's the nature of the decision. 

 

For me, I will be removing any threat of "consequences" and there within is the benefit for me.

 

This Is Thailand.  

 

Thailand works in the grey area.  

 

If you take your chances with "probability" you leave yourself exposed to be extorted.  Wake up.

 

The opposite could be the case.  

 

DO NOTHING and you could be on their radar.  

 

As for being messed around by experts, WTF?  I chose who, when, where, how, and can also decide on price.   

 

You've been in the village too long. 

How much can I be extorted for, with no tax liability? Wake up yourself.

 

You must be the most miserable person on the planet, endlessly posting about things that may never happen.

 

How do you think the tax people will find me in the village? My last TM 30 was for a condo in Chiang Mai 4 years ago.

[CallumWK]

1 minute ago, Lacessit said:

You must be the most miserable person on the planet, endlessly posting about things that may never happen.

 

How strange that I even knew who you were replying to without even clicking on the link in the New Content page.

When the mods gonna take action against this scaremonger, posting the same unfounded conspiracy theories for months in every thread, and then asking others for sources that contradict his unfounded claims